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No difference between LeT and Xe

Well since the proofs were part of conspiracy theory and routine Bharati ranting those nations still have all the diplomatic relations with Pakistan and till now I haven't seen anything practical except saying mouthful for which they apologize later. ;)

Doesn't this sound a wee bit laboured even to your fond creator's ears?

Perhaps you could look at the next post and draw inspiration from it. That's the difference between a poetaster and a poet.
 
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It goes without saying that you would never have picked an unstable, particularly flaky source to quote, and we can trust your judgement in this regard; Pakistan ka Khuda Hafiz is clearly a reliable source.

It is distressing to see a momentary lapse on the part of the writer (composer? architect?) of this lapidary piece of art; please see the portion marked in red.

There is no logical point of entry for India prior to that, in the arguments used.

May it be kindest to assume that the I word crept in almost as a liturgical reflex? In this connection, remind me to relate to you the story of the candidate for babu-dom and his brilliant adaptation to an unfavourable examination environment.

PS: The last sentence is almost a work of art in itself. I think my emotions are gradually getting engaged.:smitten:


Finally, the real face of the CIA has been unveiled; it was discovered that Mr. Raymond Davis has been the master spy of the awful external arm of CIA, which in Noam Chomsky’s words, remains the world’s biggest and most dreadful terrorist organization.

The CIA relies upon drug money to fund its contractors employed through the Pentagon and the so-called Defense Department. It has been reported by the media that Raymond Davis was working as acting CIA chief. Davis replaced Jonathan Banks, the former CIA station chief who fled Pakistan, after a petition was filed in court against him; family members of drone-strike victims from North Waziristan sought legal action against Banks whose hands were drenched in the blood of thousands of innocent civilians. Banks is believed to be responsible for butchering thousands in drone attacks in Pakistan’s tribal areas. If he was a diplomat too why did he make good his escape?

Diplomats never roam about with a huge cache of spying gadgets, state-of-the-art weaponry, and top espionage equipment like GPS devices, Satellite phones and drone chips. Since the US embassy applied for a non–diplomatic visa for Raymond Davis at the Pakistani FO, once again the issue of diplomatic immunity remains out of question (Dunya News, Kharri Baat by Mubasherr Luqman).

Only the CIA hires contactors from so-called security firms like Black Water (now known as Xe Services LLC) DynCorp and others for its expeditious operations in other countries and even inside the US. According to Chomsky, their missions include espionage, sabotage, unfolding chaos, and anarchy, abduction and kidnapping for blackmailing and ransom, killing and targeting high value and high profile figures, triggering unrest (including economic and strategically planned situations), bomb blasts and spying on governments and institutions. These are only few missions and objectives, which have been mentioned here. Apart from these, contactors of this kind have a very wide spectrum of activities, and they are most highly paid, and that’s why the CIA has to raise drug money from places like South America and Afghanistan to fund their game.

Shocking and chilling revelations have been made by the Raymond’s GPS device, mobile phone and wireless phone. Data retrieved by Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency (the ISI) has revealed that Raymond Davis has links with Pakistani-based terrorist organizations and has been roaming in the South Waziristan Agency. He has entered the area no less than a dozen times. His links with TTP and other terrorist faction leaders have been a tremendous discovery, and this is further confirmed by Gen Kiyani’s statement that Americans have infiltrated the Talban ranks in the guise of Taliban fighters. In this connection, it is important to note that more than 80% of CIA assets working inside Pakistan are local people such as retired security officials, businessman, journalists, and common people.

It was quite easy for the CIA to hire local people in the wake of growing unemployment, poverty, and above all, their lust for money and wealth. These local assets can be clearly seen when they infiltrate the Pakistani media too, where they openly speak in favour of US interests in Pakistan and warn Pakistanis of horrible consequences if the US is to abandon Pakistan and break all “friendly ties.” One of the main threats used is the threat of American aid being halted over the Raymond Davis issue. This is a very well known tactic for intimidation in order to promote the interests of a foreign country.

According to Gen Aslam Beg (on ARY news); it is quite possible that the CIA is behind the TTP, Asian Tigers and other terrorist organizations operating in the FATA region of Pakistan. They are working as front organizations of the CIA and the international coalition of the hostile espionage apparatus that is aimed at toppling Pakistan. This is the reason why Gen. Kiyani has expressed that CIA operatives working in disguise of Taliban have been involved in attacks on security forces and military personnel (Daily Jang 27th Feb). These facts have been narrated by the Pakistani media as well as the western media including; the New York Times and the Guardian. Both these foreign newspapers have stated that Raymond has been working for CIA espionage and sabotage missions inside Pakistan.

According to the New York Times, the ISI have demanded the CIA to hand over the complete and elaborate lists of all the CIA and US Defense Department contractors operating inside Pakistan along with details of their responsibilities, obligations and locations. According to Pakistani secret agencies, more than 364 CIA operatives have been working on very sensitive missions assigned by their superiors in Langley. Their activities are clandestine and they have a direct adverse impact on the strategic interests of Pakistan, its security and its integrity.

According to Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report, Raymond and his accomplices were planning to hand over biological, chemical and nuclear weapons (possibly a dirty bomb) to be used against the Americans in Afghanistan and Pakistan in order to carryout a false flag. This would serve as a pretext for claiming that terrorist had acquired the material from Pakistani nuclear arsenal, which would then build a strong case against Pakistan’s nuclear program. These revelations have been further consolidated by the recent arrest of another CIA operative in Peshawar’s university town, where a safe haven of Black Water and CIA was suspected long before. This area has served as a nest for terrorist-manufacturing architects. It is believed that hundreds of his accomplices cum spies have gone under ground to escape arrest. The name of the CIA operative is Aaron Mark De Haven, and he was involved in suspicious activities under the blanket of a Muslim name, an NGO called Catalyst as well as a local woman whom he married. It is believed now that NGOs like US AID as well as others working in “rebuilding activities” of FATA (after the recent massive floods), are likely to be front organization of a massive spy network, and their strict scrutiny and quarantine is the need of the hour.

A tremendously built underground espionage and sabotage labyrinth is being unearthed; it is studded with a huge contingent of CIA rats active in hollowing out the integrity and territorial foundations of Pakistan.

With the advent of the recent crackdown against CIA assets inside Pakistan, and the arrest of Raymond Davis, a goldmine of thousands of lethal secrets have come into the hands of the Pakistani intelligence agencies. They have uncovered the real monster behind the reign of terror, chaos and bloodbath prevailing for years in Pakistan. This discovery has also led to the naked reality that terrorist factions like Lashkar-e-Jhangavi, TTP, Asian Tigers, Punjabi Taliban, BLA and BRA are only front organizations, and the real driving force emanates from Langley under the cloak of a War on Terror, foreign aid, humanitarian missions, and diplomatic immunity. In fact, the Americans have been bolstering those who they have been previously denouncing publically. They have been working on a vicious self-serving neo imperialist agenda through tactics of deception and trickery against the whole world, especially nuclear Pakistan, using a false flag strategy, as well as bogus and sham operations, including 9/11. All foreign NGOs should be scrutinized to disinfect them from spy work and espionage activities.

According to the Express Tribune, Raymond Davis had close ties with the TTP that were revealed during the investigations. Davis was instrumental in recruiting young people from Punjab for the Tehreek-e-Taliban in order to fuel the bloody insurgency. Call records of the cell phones recovered from Davis have established his links with 33 Pakistanis, including 27 militants from the TTP and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi sectarian outfit (The Express Tribune, February 22nd, 2011).

The time has arrived for Pakistan to ask its American and NATO allies to refrain from bolstering and patting the terrorists and enemies of Pakistan such as the Indians as well as Pakistani fugitives sitting in the lap of Americans. Similarly, they should decommission the CIA and other hostile agency assets working to hollow out Pakistan’s integrity. They should stop their undeclared war against Pakistan under the doctrine, which has been designed to shift the Afghan unrest and civil war inside Pakistan. They should also do away with sending CIA and Mossad operatives on fake visas to enter Pakistan through Dubai, Bangkok and New Delhi. Pakistan’s security agencies should continue to identify and arrest those traitors and black sheep inside the Pakistani government and establishment who provide visas to wolves and butchers. Alarm bells are sounding loud to awaken our establishment because a clear and present danger is in the making, and it is set to topple Pakistan.
 
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He said the insurgents in Balochistan are Indians operating in connivance with Blackwater. “Pervez Musharraf provided safe passage to the Indian intelligence agency RAW, which has established dozens of consulates in Afghanistan along the border with Balochistan,” he added. The former ISI Punjab chief further said days after the Russian federation collapsed, CIA, RAW and Mossad carried out a comprehensive analysis and recommended launching a major operation inside Pakistan, especially Balochistan, to shake the state. “Yes, the CIA in connivance with RAW and Blackwater is operating in Balochistan and other parts of the country. They cannot absorb any Islamic atomic state,” he remarked.

The same newspaper reported few days back that India penetrated CIA through its lobby in US. There are 400 Indian trained and brainwashed CIA agents in Pakistan working for Indian interests and now this. Why the writer thinks that the world is so simple and everything goes around conspiracies?
 
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WoW? No difference between LeT and Xe?

LeT is a UN declared (the much touted words on PDF) terrorist organisation while Xe is not.

And if Pakistanis say that this declaration by UN does not matter then there is no difference between Balochistan, Kashmir and Tibet since you've yourself accepted that this declaration by the UN doesn't matter.
 
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I am registering my strong protest against the manner in which the Title of the Thread has been change, arbitrarily by Mod for no apparent reason and when nothing objectionable about it.

Original

‘Xe behind Baloch insurgency, terror hits’

Distorted

No difference between LeT and Xe

I would request Mod to restore the Thread Title to it's original or.

pls. come out with valid reason behind altered distortion.
 
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That is a news article from a pakistan daily newspaper. News articles must not be altered.

Modifying authentic online news material should be discouraged to suite ones personal opinion.
 
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It goes without saying that you would never have picked an unstable, particularly flaky source to quote, and we can trust your judgement in this regard; Pakistan ka Khuda Hafiz is clearly a reliable source.

I didn't quote it for its credibility, I quoted it for its opinions. I think going after the Indian bogey is wrong unless something more concrete comes in our hands. India went after the LeT after it nabbed a living breathing Ajmal Kassab. We have a living breathing instrument of terror as well, Raymond Davis, by most counts, leading the charge of organizing TTP/LeT to converge on Pakistani nuclear assets.

This was a charge laid down not by Pakistanis, but Russians:

Time to rip the masks off!
Russian Intelligence Agency SVR has claimed that CIA agent Raymond Davis was trying to theft Pakistani Nuclear Material to give it to Terrorists so that America gets an excuse to attack Pakistan . They further said, ‘it is also found that Raymond Davis has connections with terrorist groups that are involved in terrorist attacks in Pakistan, because America wants to start a new war with any country to save dying Western economy’

Now delve into this writer's opinion:

Undefined nuclear goals | | DAWN.COM

THE CIA. Drones. Raymond Davis. North Waziristan. F-16s. Many characters and controversies clutter the US-Pakistan relationship, but one thing causes anxiety above all else in Islamabad and Washington: our nuclear programme.

We think the US is plotting to seize our weapons; they fear the weapons will fall into the wrong hands. However, circumstances are more complicated than that.

Washington understands that Pakistan’s nuclear programme has little do with the US, and everything to do with India. It is also clear that disarmament is a regional challenge — any effort to reduce South Asian stockpiles can only be made once security concerns such as Kashmir have been tackled. Knowing this, the US has not articulated a coherent policy stance on Pakistan’s nuclear weapons beyond President Barack Obama’s general call for disarmament. As the Stimson Centre’s Michael Krepon points out in a new essay, the US has made choices — the US-India nuclear deal and collaboration with Pakistan to fight in Afghanistan — that leave it with little room to influence Pakistan’s nuclear choices.

Of course, de-prioritising the programme has not lessened Washington’s concerns about a nuclear Pakistan, especially after recent intelligence estimates of over 100 weapons in our arsenal. In his new book, Bruce Riedel outlines several scenarios that could lead to what he terms ‘Armageddon’. He describes how a ‘jihadist takeover’ — by an extremist faction of the army, or a Taliban-led militant group — would lead to increased production of nuclear weapons and potential deployment in the context of global jihad. He also argues that future Mumbai-style attacks could force India to take measures — unilateral strikes, naval blockades — that may spark a nuclear conflict.

Previously, in 2007, Lisa Curtis, another South Asia expert, described the links between Al Qaeda terrorists and retired Pakistani military and intelligence officials and nuclear scientists as “worrisome”.

It is the US’s preoccupation with such scenarios (that Riedel himself describes as “neither imminent nor inevitable”) that makes Pakistanis paranoid about American intentions for the nuclear programme. Interestingly, the Pakistani conviction that the US is hell-bent on seizing its nukes is baffling for many observers in Washington. In their opinion, history suggests that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are a peripheral concern — rather than a driving obsession — for the US.

They turn to history to illustrate this argument: in the 1980s and 1990s, the US first turned a cheek, and then simply walked away from the region, despite all indications that Pakistan was pursuing the bomb. If nuclear-armed Pakistan were Washington’s worst nightmare, they say, earlier intervention would have been likely. Moreover, when George W. Bush decided to engage with Pakistan’s nuclear programme, he focused on improved security, rather than seizure. According to 2007 reports, the US spent $100m helping Pakistan build fences, install sensors, develop nuclear material tracking systems, and train personnel to handle weapons. Notably, the Bush administration’s classified programme left Pakistan convinced that the US was trying to locate and document its nuclear facilities, and frustrated US government officials who never got the satisfaction of knowing whether their efforts had properly secured Pakistan’s nukes. As such, it exemplifies Pakistani and American attitudes — if not the political reality — on this issue.

The fact is, Washington’s position on Pakistan’s nuclear programme is not as black and white as many believe. There is growing support for a civilian nuclear deal akin to India’s. Analysts say such a deal could give Washington leverage in the relationship and provide a real incentive for Pakistan to sever ties with all militant groups.

The time is therefore ripe for Pakistan to clarify its own goals about the programme. We know that we will not disarm as long as India has access to fissile material. But how important is it for Pakistan to gain international recognition for its programme?

Are we willing to expand the arsenal infinitely, at the cost of all other social development? Will we risk rogue status to build more bombs? And if not jihadist takeovers, what do we consider ‘nightmare scenarios’ vis-à-vis the deployment of nuclear weapons?

Pakistan’s confusion is evident. For instance, requests for a civilian nuclear deal are attempts at legitimisation. But Pakistan is simultaneously leading the bloc against the Fissile Material Cut-Off Treaty (FMCT), a cornerstone of Obama’s nuclear disarmament strategy, on the basis that it concedes a strategic advantage to India. (The treaty calls for a cap on nuclear weapons, but does not stress the elimination of all fissile material stockpiles. Pakistan has more weapons than India, but India has access to far more fissile material that could be diverted into weapons production in the future.)

By blocking the FMCT, Pakistan ensures that it can continue to match India’s arsenal, but risks marginalisation on the world stage (most Conference of Disarmament participants support the FMCT). Seeming obstinacy in such matters is further complicated by Pakistan’s proliferation history and continuing transgressions in matters of nuclear security — last week, a Pakistani citizen appeared in a US court on charges of illegally exporting restricted equipment related to nuclear use to his home country.

With both these issues, Pakistan has options. It can support the FMCT, but demand international oversight of India’s fissile materials. Similarly, it can investigate Nadeem Akhtar’s alleged nuclear export racket, and hold implicated Pakistanis accountable. Such actions could earn international recognition for our programme, and make nukes a less explosive issue in US-Pakistan relations.

But such developments can only occur when we move out of the realm of paranoia and persecution, and treat the nuclear programme as one aspect of an integrated foreign policy and security agenda. Otherwise, if the world sees Pakistan as defiant and irresponsible on nuclear security and disarmament, it faces the threat of containment, and could one day find that its treasured assets are actually liabilities.

The writer is the Pakistan Scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Centre in Washington, DC.

huma.yusuf@gmail.com
 
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That is a news article from a pakistan daily newspaper. News articles must not be altered.

Modifying authentic online news material should be discouraged to suite ones personal opinion.

No news article was modified, only the thread title was modified to reflect the true nature of the discussion. Forum threads primarily discuss topics, not report news.
 
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WoW? No difference between LeT and Xe?

LeT is a UN declared (the much touted words on PDF) terrorist organisation while Xe is not.

And if Pakistanis say that this declaration by UN does not matter then there is no difference between Balochistan, Kashmir and Tibet since you've yourself accepted that this declaration by the UN doesn't matter.

Perhaps the UN should vote on that, I'm confident that without a US veto, Xe would be voted as a terrorist organization. Perhaps not on paper, but in deeds, they are both terrorist outfits.
 
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It's actually a nice idea, Pakistan should move the UN general assembly and force the US to use a veto in protection of such an org. A nice ethical methodology of escalating the issue if US gives too much trouble on Davis
 
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Perhaps the UN should vote on that, I'm confident that without a US veto, Xe would be voted as a terrorist organization. Perhaps not on paper, but in deeds, they are both terrorist outfits.

Do you really think that the rest of the world cares (or even knows much) one way or another about Xe? :blink:
The UN will not do anything about it, but don't take my word for it. Just raise the matter in the UN and see how far it goes.
 
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Do you really think that the rest of the world cares (or even knows much) one way or another about Xe? :blink:
The UN will not do anything about it, but don't take my word for it. Just raise the matter in the UN and see how far it goes.

Don't be too sure, the US hates airing its dirty laundry. Such a vote, would do just that.
 
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Don't be too sure, the US hates airing its dirty laundry. Such a vote, would do just that.

Not too sure about that. UN votes are all about lobbying; less about issues and least about principles. Nonetheless, will be interesting to see this issue raised in the UN.
I really hope that happens! :)
 
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It would be surprising if Muslims take the help of kaffirs like the RAW and the CIA or even the MOSSAD.

If indeed they do, then it goes against the tenets of the religion or doesn't it?

The common understanding is :

1. It also goes against the fact that Muslims are one.

2. It also indicates that sub nationalism is greater than the religion.

I don't think that any of the above is possible since Muslims will not go against their brothers and that too at the instigation of others or so the posts directly and indirectly indicate.

I believe so, since the posts here and elsewhere indicates that Muslims value the importance of their religion, unlike others, and will brook no nonsense when they are involved.

BLA terrorists backed by India had been claiming they have much older roots than Islam. so technically they dont consider themselves Muslims.


Now go figure out why wont BLA terrorists take support from its donor bharat (india)
 
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BLA terrorists backed by India had been claiming they have much older roots than Islam. so technically they dont consider themselves Muslims.

This is interesting - what do they consider them to be ? Hindus/Buddhists/Zorastrians ?
 
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