No Atomic Race After Iranian Bomb

[NeutralCitizen]

You also said Iraq defeated Iran during our war, so who is more believable??
I am not trying to break the peace but lets talk about this in a mature way.

Iraq never won the war with Iran in fact saddam after that invaded kuwait due to kuwait oil production.

 

[Arian]

I didn't bother reading the rest of your crap the moment you said Jordan didn't exist in that time. My friend, your correct, Jordan didn't exist as well as 22 Arab countries. Bilad Alsham and Arab peninsula were one nation called caliphate empire.

Well, you know what I mean. I meant Jordan didn't exist as a unified country in today's form at that time. I didn't say the people didn't exist, they existed for sure. Syria and Phoenicia and other ancient nations of that region existed from long time ago, but Jordan as the modern state, as a unified nation, didn't exist. Correct me if I'm mistaken please.

Moreover, I'm not looking for a fight, I'm looking for a constructive discussion which seems you're not capable of. I'm judging you based on your comments so far.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Well, you know what I mean. I meant Jordan didn't exist as a unified country in today's form. I didn't say the people didn't exist, they existed for sure. Syria and Phoenicia and other ancient nations of that region existed from long time ago, but Jordan as the modern state, as a unified nation, didn't exist. Correct me if I'm mistaken please.

Moreover, I'm not looking for a fight, I'm looking for a constructive discussion which seems you're not capable of. I'm judging you based on your comments so far.

Whatever, yes, Jordan was part of Bilad Alsham, and yes its a modern country which is part of Arab ummah, hence, it has the same history along with Syrians, Saudis, Palestinians...etc. I know what are you trying to say, you say Jordan is a new country that shouldn't mention Arab or Mulslim history because it didn't exist that time in the current map. Nah nah thats our history and were always part of it my friend.

 

[Arian]

Whatever, yes, Jordan was part of Bilad Alsham, and yes its a modern country which is part of Arab ummah, hence, it has the same history along with Syrians, Saudis, Palestinians...etc. I know what are you trying to say, you say Jordan is a new country that shouldn't mention Arab or Mulslim history because it didn't exist that time in the current map. Nah nah thats our history and were always part of it my friend.

Yea Yea. You had nothing to do with it. Like it or not. You had the same share of Islamic history as Persia, if not less, and don't forget that the Eastern parts of Greater Syria or Levantine, that were called Assyria, were under the control of the Persian empire for centuries, even Jordan herself was part of Persia as you know it well.
I know what you're trying to say. You wanna say that 'you' defeated Persia in the Qaddissiya war which is flawed for many reasons. The truth is that many countries have defeated Persia in history. Romans, Greeks, Mongols, and many others that if I want to count it it would take hours, I won't even say that the Persian army at that time didn't resist at all because they were all tired of their rulers, but the fact that you can't deny is that we never lost our culture to any of those nations that defeated us, not only we didn't lose our culture, but our culture contributed greatly in shaping the new empire. attempt failed.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Well, you know what I mean. I meant Jordan didn't exist as a unified country in today's form. I didn't say the people didn't exist, they existed for sure. Syria and Phoenicia and other ancient nations of that region existed from long time ago, but Jordan as the modern state, as a unified nation, didn't exist. Correct me if I'm mistaken please.

Moreover, I'm not looking for a fight, I'm looking for a constructive discussion which seems you're not capable of. I'm judging you based on your comments so far.

Educate yourself my friend "@Indo-European":

Ancient history
Jordan's roots as a sovereign independent state go back to the ancient kingdoms of Nabatean Petra, Edom, Ammon, and Moab which flourished in Jordan in the 2nd and 1st millennium B.C. The Nabatean kingdom (Arabic: الأنباط, Al-Anbāt) was one of the most prominent states in the region. The Nabateans were an ancient Semitic people who controlled the regional and international trade routes of the ancient world by dominating a large area southwest of the fertile crescent, which included the whole of modern Jordan in addition to the southern part of Syria in the north and the northern part of Arabian Peninsula in the south. The Nabataeans developed the Arabic Script, with their language as an intermediary between Aramaean and the ancient Classical Arabic, which evolved into Modern Arabic.
The Kingdom of Edom was based in the south of Jordan. The Mesha Stele recorded the glory of the King of Edom and the victories over the Israelites and other nations. The Ammon and Moab kingdoms are mentioned in ancient maps, Near Eastern documents, ancient Greco-Roman artifacts, and Christian and Jewish religious scriptures.

Muslim empires
In the 7th century, and for several centuries, the region of today's Jordan became one of the heartlands of the Arabic Islamic Empire across its different Caliphates' stages, including the Rashidun Empire, Umayyad Empire and Abbasid Empire. During the Islamic era, Jordan coined its current Arabic Islamic cultural identity. Several resources pointed that the Abbasid movement, was started in region of Jordan before it took over the Umayyad empire. After the decline of the Abbasid, It was ruled by several conflicting powers including the Mongols, the Crusaders, the Ayyubids and the Mamluks until it became part of the Ottoman Empire in 1516.

 

[Mosamania]

Arian. BLACKEAGLE. leave the pointless Pickering will you two stop this????

I was born now and this is the state of things NOW, and frankly a piss measuring contest of who's history was more awesomer is just stupid.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Arian. BLACKEAGLE. leave the pointless Pickering will you two stop this????

I was born now and this is the state of things NOW, and frankly a piss measuring contest of who's history was more awesomer is just stupid.

He is trying to split us from our great Arab-Islamic history which we were a prominent part of it. How funny he is.

 

[Arian]

Educate yourself my friend "@Indo-European":

Ancient history
Jordan's roots as a sovereign independent state go back to the ancient kingdoms of Nabatean Petra, Edom, Ammon, and Moab which flourished in Jordan in the 2nd and 1st millennium B.C. The Nabatean kingdom (Arabic: الأنباط, Al-Anbāt) was one of the most prominent states in the region. The Nabateans were an ancient Semitic people who controlled the regional and international trade routes of the ancient world by dominating a large area southwest of the fertile crescent, which included the whole of modern Jordan in addition to the southern part of Syria in the north and the northern part of Arabian Peninsula in the south. The Nabataeans developed the Arabic Script, with their language as an intermediary between Aramaean and the ancient Classical Arabic, which evolved into Modern Arabic.
The Kingdom of Edom was based in the south of Jordan. The Mesha Stele recorded the glory of the King of Edom and the victories over the Israelites and other nations. The Ammon and Moab kingdoms are mentioned in ancient maps, Near Eastern documents, ancient Greco-Roman artifacts, and Christian and Jewish religious scriptures.

Muslim empires
In the 7th century, and for several centuries, the region of today's Jordan became one of the heartlands of the Arabic Islamic Empire across its different Caliphates' stages, including the Rashidun Empire, Umayyad Empire and Abbasid Empire. During the Islamic era, Jordan coined its current Arabic Islamic cultural identity. Several resources pointed that the Abbasid movement, was started in region of Jordan before it took over the Umayyad empire. After the decline of the Abbasid, It was ruled by several conflicting powers including the Mongols, the Crusaders, the Ayyubids and the Mamluks until it became part of the Ottoman Empire in 1516.

I had already read it on wikipedia (It's almost the same text on wikipedia), the problem is that it provides almost no citation. For example it claimed that the Arabic script was developed by the Nabataeans but there's no citation!

Arian. BLACKEAGLE. leave the pointless Pickering will you two stop this????

I was born now and this is the state of things NOW, and frankly a piss measuring contest of who's history was more awesomer is just stupid.

Why pointless?
There's no doubt that the history of the Persian empire and Iran is more important than the history of Jordan but I like to know more about Jordan. Is that pointless?

His trying to split us from our great Arab-Islamic history which we were a prominent part of it. How funny he is.

lol. You're trying to split us from our Islamic history that we hugely contributed to it from almost all aspects How funny you are

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I had already read it on wikipedia (It's almost the same text on wikipedia), the problem is that it provides almost no citation. For example it claimed that the Arabic script was developed by the Nabataeans but there's no citation!

Yah, so....

 

[Arian]

Yah, so....

so... I won't buy it completely, surely it contains some truth in it though. The wikipedia page of Jordan is full of claims that look too optimistic to be accepted and they have provided little to not citation for their claims.

 

[Mosamania]

Why pointless?
There's no doubt that the history of the Persian empire is more important but I like to know more about Jordan. Is that pointless?

You see when you say "Our history is more important" that is insulting.... Your history is more important TO YOU perhaps but without a doubt we consider our history to be a hundred times more important than yours it is a matter of perspective. Arabia largely has a history centerlized around Islam even though we also have great cultures and civilizations that pre-date Islam by Milinias we still put great emphasis on our Islamic history.

Let us not keep this discussion going any further as I said before it is pointless.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

so... I won't buy it completely, surely it contains some truth in it though. The wikipedia page of Jordan is full of claims that look too optimistic to be accepted and they have provided little to not citation for their claims.

If I would follow reliable citations in your history then you would have non. Anyway what about those:
^ "Edom". BiblePlaces.com. Retrieved 2010-06-15.
^ [1]
^ B. Mcdonald, Younker Ancient Ammon
^ Smith's Bible Dictionary
^ Old Testament Kingdoms of Jordan
^ The Near East Since the First World War M.E. Yapp, Longman Group ltd, 1996, p. 117-118
^ [Marjorie M. Whiteman, Digest of International Law, vol. 1, US State Department (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1963) pp 650-652]
^ a b c Salibi, Kamal S. The modern history of Jordan. p. 104
^ http://images.library.wisc.edu/FRUS/EFacs/1946v07/reference/frus.frus1946v07.i0017.pdf
^ a b Andoni, Lamis (2011-01-16). "To the tyrants of the Arab world ...". Al Jazeera. Archived from the original on 2011-01-18. Retrieved 2011-01-19.
History of Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Arian]

You see when you say "Our history is more important" that is insulting.... Your history is more important TO YOU perhaps but without a doubt we consider our history to be a hundred times more important than yours it is a matter of perspective. Arabia largely has a history centerlized around Islam even though we also have great cultures and civilizations that pre-date Islam by Milinias we still put great emphasis on our Islamic history.

Let us not keep this discussion going any further as I said before it is pointless.

I re-edited my post because it had ambiguity.
There's no doubt that the history of Iran is more important than the history of Jordan and that could be verified by studying the today culture of the region and contributions of Iran and Jordan to region. I don't say Iran is more important than Jordan though, but historically Iran (Persia) is known as a major civilization and one of countries that has the largest number of known empires in history, the same is not true about Jordan.

I didn't mean anything insulting, but he has the obsession to put up a fight over anything related to Iran on any thread.

If I would follow reliable citations in your history then you would have non. Anyway what about those:
^ "Edom". BiblePlaces.com. Retrieved 2010-06-15.
^ [1]
^ B. Mcdonald, Younker Ancient Ammon
^ Smith's Bible Dictionary
^ Old Testament Kingdoms of Jordan
^ The Near East Since the First World War M.E. Yapp, Longman Group ltd, 1996, p. 117-118
^ [Marjorie M. Whiteman, Digest of International Law, vol. 1, US State Department (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1963) pp 650-652]
^ a b c Salibi, Kamal S. The modern history of Jordan. p. 104
^ http://images.library.wisc.edu/FRUS/EFacs/1946v07/reference/frus.frus1946v07.i0017.pdf
^ a b Andoni, Lamis (2011-01-16). "To the tyrants of the Arab world ...". Al Jazeera. Archived from the original on 2011-01-18. Retrieved 2011-01-19.
History of Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not going to read all of those links, because I don't have the time. I could google myself and came up with the same results.

For your information, our history has been recorded carefully by many independent historians. From Greek historians to British and American historians. Iranian studies is one of the main branches of Oriental studies in many famous universities, so you can't say the same about our history.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I re-edited my post because it had ambiguity.
There's no doubt that the history of Iran is more important than the history of Jordan and that could be verified by studying the today culture of the region and contributions of Iran and Jordan to region. I don't say Iran is more important than Jordan though, but historically Iran (Persia) is known as a major civilization and one of countries that has the largest number of known empires in history, the same is not true about Jordan.

I didn't mean anything insulting, but he has the obsession to put up a fight over anything related to Iran on any thread.

Regardless of the Jordanians great history but its not about Jordan vs Iran its Arab vs Iran. Thats how we see it.

I re-edited my post because it had ambiguity.
There's no doubt that the history of Iran is more important than the history of Jordan and that could be verified by studying the today culture of the region and contributions of Iran and Jordan to region. I don't say Iran is more important than Jordan though, but historically Iran (Persia) is known as a major civilization and one of countries that has the largest number of known empires in history, the same is not true about Jordan.

I didn't mean anything insulting, but he has the obsession to put up a fight over anything related to Iran on any thread.



I'm not going to read all of those links, because I don't have the time. I could google myself and came up with the same results.

For your information, our history has been recorded carefully by many independent historians. From Greek historians to British and American historians. Iranian studies is one of the main branches of Oriental studies in many famous universities, so you can't say the same about our history.

We built Petra as one of the world wonders, what did you build BTW?

 

[Arian]

Regardless of the Jordanians great history but its not about Jordan vs Iran its Arab vs Iran. Thats how we see it.

Even if you see it that way, you can't use Islam against us, because it's a common thing between us and we've contributed to Islam much more than many of you Arabic states. Many of the prides of the Islamic empire wouldn't be achieved without the contribution of Persians. Only countries like Egypt and Iraq can claim that they've contributed to Islam more than Iran but almost all independent historians verify that Persia hugely contributed to science and art in Islam and Persian was the second language of the Islamic empire after Arabic, while many of the ancient civilizations that were defeated by Islam lost their language and culture, but we didn't lose anything, we contributed with passion to Islam.

We built Petra as one of the world wonders, what did you build BTW?

I don't know how much you know about Iran, but we built Persepolis, and if you want to know more, just have a look at the UNESCO world heritage sites in Iran, you'll see what we have built. lol.