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No apology for violating Pakistan air space

no apology needed because the US adn ISI knew about this operation in a limited way.....adn most of our defence systems are pointed towards your flying bisons.....so there is no chance that we will let india do anything like this.....pakistan cannot afford to down a US heli....but it can damn afford to down a bharti heli!!!....lets see if you can control the US sentiments....if india comes we are ready.the US is just a class above the rest

BS...ISI didnt kno anything.....dont u read any news.??..

There is no need for india to cross border and kill some one...we have other ways of doing it ...and we are doing that very well ;)
 
India is not a war mongering nation like USA crossing 5 continents to start a WAR in AFGHAN/PAK border.

The Americans pretty much please wat they do in PAK AIRSPACE these days and that includes drone attacks and navy seal incursions by helicopter.

WHAT IS NEXT

ISI HQ
PAF AIR BASE
YOUR NUKES

The Americans have insulted the GOP its people and its military. AND THEY DONT TRUST elements in PAF GOVT AND MILITARY. that much is plain for all to see.
 
Let us give credit to US where it is due. They ducked all the radars and more importantly knew where they were located. It goes to show that the PAF and PA claims of being ready for cold start (if there is such a thing) is hallow.
because India= U.S.A :lol:
 
What about millions of death US has caused since the start of war? Especially those is totally unrelated countries like Iraq??
 
Your creditibility is immediately lost when you use the term "millions" failing to admit that NATO/US/UN counter attacked due to Osama bin Laden and a; Qaida and their "backed" Taliban terrorist regime in Afghanistan...and Pakistan...having first caused and create 911.

Osama bin Laden has caused tens of thousands of innocent, moderate Muslims to be killed at the hands of both al Qaida Arab forces and the Pakhtuns who sided with and are ethnically the largest core grouping comprising the Taliban. This is not to say there are not Pakhtuns fighing sincerely with heavy losses in the armed forces of Paksitan, and Afghanistan, against both the violent Taliban and al Qaida.

In short, your remarks are false on their face and sound very much like planted terrorist propaganda.
 
American Eage with due respect its highly adviseable that you do not offer an opinion on regional issues you are not aware off..

Alquaida and Taliban were a byproduct of American funding, training and ambitions..to get even with USSR...and more importantly Taliban and Al-Qaida came to power due to leadership vacum left behind by USA...any historian is well aware of USA and rest of the world for that matter turning their back on rebuilding Afghanistan. Not only that but sanction the country from all direction. Mullah Omar was offered millions to save statues of Bamiyan but not much to feed and shelter the poor afghans..Desperation and destitution created the fertile fields of terrorism.

In a pure millitary logic it makes a lot of sense. You betray them and they take revenge by crashing planes into tower, though that has to be proved yet and the sophistication of attack is beyond the capability of few bedouin cave men.

And let us not forget what allied war has caused in Iraq...literally handing it over to Iran on a silver platter which has resulted in immense religio-ethinic cleansing while bringing Iran to the doorsteps of Arab power house..

And same is occurring in Afghanistan the treacherous alliance of Iran backed former NA and allied forces have unleashed a fury of Pushtoon ethinic cleansing.

Crusader alliance always had special interests in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan and they have returned from time to time.
Those weak on history should polish their knowledge fast.
 
You are too young and have a short memory here on PDF. I was a company grade USAF officer in the old US Embassy in Karachi 1963-65 and am fully aware of both the truth of history inside and around Pakistan and of the fabrications then and since then to pretend otherwise.

My remarks are here reinterated. If you read since 911 DAWN, THE FRONTIER POST, THE LAHORE TIMES, as well as my writings in the Lahore, Punjab University Alternate Solutions Institute, as well as my support of JKLF alternative plan known as the Andorran Model to resolve Kashmir, over a period of many years, perhaps a hundred or more years, with many, many peaceful Confidence Building Measures, you might understand my fact based background knowledge and experience in and since outside of Pakistan, to include as a former NYC international banking officer in the Asia Section, which included all the Subcontinent, as well as Japan, Korean, Australia, etc, etc.

You might run my moniker, American Eagle, and read the 3 or 4 SMITHSONIAN articles in THE COLD WAR TIMES internet edition on line, copied onto PDF, to understand my experiences inside Paksitan, etc. I was wounded being in the right place at the wrong time in the Rann of Kutch end of January, 1965, which is one article's focus.

You are young and your response is clearly misplaced as to who I am and what I know.

Denial and blame has simply gotten Pakistan between the rock and the hard place. Look for hard public evidence soon that bin Laden's mansion was also used as a site for outlawed Pak militants offshoots of al Qaida who have since the mid-2000s been used to stir up murder, trouble and mayhem inside Kashmir.

A major mistake is for either Pakistan or India to think that "all Kashmirs" want to be part of either nation. The Andorran Model addresses this semi0indepence goal of the grassroots Kashmiris, so Paksitan officialdom needs to keep on keeping on in that direction, Andorran Model, as former President Musharraf had started to do and which President Zardari has since tried to and to some extent has resume doing.

Tells all tells me, and you, if you are reading this long posting, that some in the Pakistan Military, which owns and controls the ISI, are on a tangent all their own to ignore reality, sanity and saving the what is now Pakistan (excluding PAK and IAK as well as Chinese AK) remainder of Paksitan be trying to serve the needs of the grassroots people who continue to live in misery, unemployment, poor housing, poor health non-support, you name it.

Meanwhile, India has become a very competitive world recognized democratic economy, while Paksitan lives in the retared past to try to keep the people in dark and mislead them up blind alleys with bin Laden, Kashmir, and other junk issues that do nothing to solve the problem there.

Finally it is true that the 1980s had the West making some bad choices to oppose the USSR, which was a real threat to us all back then. Don't forget the Russians first allied with the Nazis, then the Nazis broke their treaty of allience so the USSR allied with the West. Pakistan has quisodix alliances with China, which nation would genuinely like to help build the economy of Paksitan (and they care not about democracy). China has funded building the Port of Quadar, which can be a great economic engine in and of itself.

What may never be but will speed up saving the economy and nation of Paksitan for the long term is for Pakistan to have a revivied 1950 Constitution which makes it a secular, not a religious, nation. No one denies the majority religion is Islam, but a peaceful Islam is what is needed not the Wahabbi generated trash that came after the 1980s.

A major problem some believe are the 1980s Afghan refugee camps inside Paksitan, which have been larged funded thru the UN and related agencies. Yet these largely Pakhtuns are the blood kin of the FATA and related Pak side of Durand Line Pakistani Pakhtuns, and all knew each other as family before the USSR invastion of Afghanistan. That is a messy topic revolving around, as you surely know, the wish for a separate Pakhtun nation free of both Afghanistan and Paksitan, another impratical tribalist discriminatory racist thought focused scheme.
 
American Eage with due respect its highly adviseable that you do not offer an opinion on regional issues you are not aware off..Alquaida and Taliban were a byproduct of American funding...Desperation and destitution created the fertile fields of terrorism...In a pure millitary logic it makes a lot of sense. You betray them...And let us not forget what allied war has caused....Crusader alliance always had special interests in Iraq...
Bozo, I sure hope you're getting paid for this. It's not like I can toss you a quarter, and it's a pity and a shame to witness a clown embarrass himself and his countrymen for free.
 
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My remarks are here reinterated. If you read since 911 DAWN, THE FRONTIER POST, THE LAHORE TIMES, as well as my writings in the Lahore, Punjab University Alternate Solutions Institute, as well as my support of JKLF alternative plan known as the Andorran Model to resolve Kashmir, over a period of many years, perhaps a hundred or more years, with many, many peaceful Confidence Building Measures, you might understand my fact based background knowledge and experience in and since outside of Pakistan, to include as a former NYC international banking officer in the Asia Section, which included all the Subcontinent, as well as Japan, Korean, Australia, etc, etc.

You might run my moniker, American Eagle, and read the 3 pr 4 SMITHSONIAN articles in THE COLD WAR TIMES internet edition on line, copied onto PDF, to understand my experiences inside Paksitan, etc. I was wounded being in the right place at the wrong time in the Rann of Kutch end of January, 1965, which is one article's focus.

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Nice reminder of the depth of knowledge and experience we are privledged to be exposed to here.
 
End Game is no Muslim Country With Nukes is acceptable to US and Israel as it threatens their interests so the Muslim countries should unite to protect their religion and against the invasions of these Crusaders.
 
End Game is no Muslim Country With Nukes is acceptable to US and Israel as it threatens their interests so the Muslim countries should unite to protect their religion and against the invasions of these Crusaders.

This is definitely not going to happen. You can say the above written things a million times but lets just say its impossible.
 
Let us give credit to US where it is due. They ducked all the radars and more importantly knew where they were located.

First of all, PA was well aware of this operation. Not just a coincidence that Army had sealed the area before this operation commenced, power supply was turned off, PA officers were telling residents whom were outside to go inside their homes and lock their doors. Reason given was that Pakistan Army was going to conduct a major exercise, your a smart man so connect the dots.

It goes to show that the PAF and PA claims of being ready for cold start (if there is such a thing) is hallow.

This is soo funny, first of all your not the US in terms of military power, not even close. Second of all, all our radars and strategic assets are pointed towards our Eastern borders not Western. If India would have tried something like this, their choppers would be up in flames. So dont worry, Pakistan Armed Forces are more than prepared for the CDS.

The reaction time of PA and PAF is really slow as 40 mins to 60 mins is a long time in terms of a military / surgical strike.

Did you just shoot that number out of your a**, how did you come up with this number? PAF's response time is less than 3 minutes on our Eastern borders, the number has been further reduced after the introduction of AWAC's and a true C41 network. Have you forgotten that your Mighty MKI was intercepted right at the border post Mumbai attacks.
 

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