Niqab becoming a flash point in Canada

[pak-yes]

Well here is your chance to make people ignorant of muslim traditions , add some good stories of examples of why this tradition came to be, that would be great.

Man i am nothing more than an Ignorant Muslim with little knowledge of Islam.

Only Scholars like Zakir Naik can give you completely satisfying Answers for your Questions.

Although i doubt but still if you are really interested in knowing the truth you must not seek answers on Public Forums.

You live in Canada get to your Muslim Colleagues and ask them who is the best Imam(Preacher).ABOUT ONE THING I MUST WARN YOU IS THAT TRY YOUR VERY VERY VERY BEST TO GET TO THE RIGHT IMAM.If Necessary get your answers from more than One Imam.

Because in my opinion(And also the thing that i have learned from my elders and culture)having to consult some who has Incomplete knowledge about Religion is very dangerous.

There is a saying in Urdu.

Nim hakim khataray Jan.Nim Maulvi khataray Iman

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Why should we, it is their choice and it is respected in India, nobody in India will dare to force muslim women not to follow thier traditions. And I think you are way off topic, you just cant resist making this an India topic can you. Islam and its traditions are more exposed to the world today than ever before, there could be a lot of misunderstandings, but that gives you the opportunity to explain. You tell me how many of the Islamic countries have gone and done an exhaustive documentary on the traditions of Islam, and provide valuable proofs. Get moving on yourselves first and in the long run you will find results

Why Muslims are in defensive position to attack on Islam by Indian memebers

Why should we, it is their choice and it is respected in India, nobody in India will dare to force muslim women not to follow thier traditions

then why not to support same approach in west ?

 

[Al-zakir]

The niqab controversy has been triggered by an Egyptian immigrant's refusal to remove her veil in her French language class in Montreal, forcing the school and the provincial Quebec government to ban her.

It would not be end of the world if she remove her veil and I assume that she was covering her face. It's is not mendatroy to cover face by islam so what she worry about? If allah has not made direct order about covering face than why such arrogance?

Taking French coruse....

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

It would not be end of the world if she remove her veil and I assume that she was covering her face. It's is not mendatroy to cover face by islam so what she worry about? If allah has not made direct order about covering face than why such arrogance?

Taking French coruse....

In Iran no body covers the face , its a Arab tradition

 

[nightcrawler]

Face covering was made compulsory for Muhammad wives only & logically that fits!
At the time of his sad demise his wives were quiet young but the ordained principal that every Muslim take his wives as Mothers thus a greater segregation of genders were required to nullify any feeling of re-marrying. But this wasnt for a common Muslim female.
Hadith quoted by Aisha (pbuh) only reflected the order to be practised by her only!!

 

[AstanoshKhan]

In Iran no body covers the face , its a Arab tradition

...but Islam came/spread from Arabistan, not Iran and Niqab/Hijab is not a tradition, it was/is an Islamic practice for a woman to carry. No women covered their faces before (in Jesus (AS) or Moses (AS)'s time), but Islam imposed them to do so. So one cannot call it a tradition but a practice.

 

[DeathGod]

In one movie which was released in Pakistan Naseeruddin shah is a maulvi and present himself before the court.

He goes to say something like the below in reply to the fact that Allah has ordered (requested) his followers to wear salwar and niqab etc etc.

He says something to the effect of
" It doesnt matter what a person wears of if he grows a beard or not. What matters is how much he loves the Din. When he loves the Din a lot , then he wants to just look the Din and hence adopts the clothes,culture,laguage etc of the Din. Dont bother about whats outside, bother about whats inside of you. If the inside part is corrected the outside wont matter"

I think this is the single learning that every person following Islam and beleiving in these almost sham like laws should take away. Be good on the inside the outside will itself be corrected. A person who is modest from the inside will be modest from the outside also.

 

[Xtremeownage]

Your quote confuses me. Why only one eye, when Allah has given you two eyes to see, why didnt Allah drape the woman from her mothers womb ? Maybe , there is something wrong with the way Allah sees his creations ??? Honestly, the hijab just caters to the perversity of man, thats all. So lets just be just, and all wear hijabs, or niquabs or whaterver,

Absolutely fallacious and ridiculous statement you got here!

Allah is supreme, almighty, and perfect! You have some nerve saying such ridiculous and false things here. Do you want me to insult Shiva or Ghanesh or whatever you believe? Because I sure can!

As I have said earlier, the Hijab and Niqab is an act of submission to the Almighty, it has little to do with the mentality of men! God commanded men and women to be modest! And one of the ways in which God wants women to be modest is through covering of their body!

It not only protects her, but brings her closer to God, removes her from materialism, from narcissism, from self-love or self-consciousness! It illuminates her heart for her purpose in life, which is to worship God!

Do not make up such ridiculous notions!

In the Quran it clearly states that their is no compulsion in religion!

If a woman wants to cover herself, it should be out of piety and love for God! Not anything else!

I think you are a super hypocrite, because if you respected a womans modesty, you wouldnt make her wear the hijab or whatever, the rule for women was made by man, I dont hear any womens point of view in this forum , except for one who keeps applauding , but not speaking

Ridiculous and FALSE!

You are the hypocrite and are either ignorant or lack the cognitive ability to understand what I am saying!

The covering of a woman is a sign of modesty and submission to God!

It removes her from worly desires and illuminates her heart with the love for the Almighty!

The command comes from God, not men, and as I have stated earlier, there is no compulsion in Islam, as stated in the Quran! If she wants to cover herself with a hijab or niqab, she should do it out of love for God!

 

[Martian]

In Islam, some things are absolutely forbidden and others are absolutely permitted. Then there are stages/levels between them. Then there are minimum and maximum limitsrequirements for some things. All this depends on level of "taqwa" of the individual.

For example, Namaz is faraz but nafal namaz is above mimimum requirement.

Another example is of music, it is not absolutely haram and is allowed with certain conditions and restrictions.

Same is the rule with clothing, the mimimum requirement is modesty. We can see that during Hajj, women dont cover their faces and their clothes show the requirement of Islam.

Further, clothing should be consistant with environment ( desert, cold, humid, etc) and societal outlook. What may be goodlooking in Arabia may not be in Europe.

Therefore, women covering their faces are doing so only in addition to minimum requirement perhaps due to their "taqwa" or social norms or due to salafist tendencies.

 

[T-Faz]

On a lighter note, I present to you burqa for men.



Soon to be seen near you.

 

[New Vision]

Why Muslims are in defensive position to attack on Islam by Indian memebers then why not to support same approach in west ?

Could you please point out where I have made an attack on Islam or Muslims, dont make statements just for the heck of it. As for supporting Islamic policies in the west is more difficult than in India, because in India, the muslims have a sizeable population and they also have a voice. Any move in this direction will face heavy opposition form all Indian muslims

 

[New Vision]

Absolutely fallacious and ridiculous statement you got here!

Allah is supreme, almighty, and perfect! You have some nerve saying such ridiculous and false things here. Do you want me to insult Shiva or Ghanesh or whatever you believe? Because I sure can!

As I have said earlier, the Hijab and Niqab is an act of submission to the Almighty, it has little to do with the mentality of men! God commanded men and women to be modest! And one of the ways in which God wants women to be modest is through covering of their body!

It not only protects her, but brings her closer to God, removes her from materialism, from narcissism, from self-love or self-consciousness! It illuminates her heart for her purpose in life, which is to worship God!

Do not make up such ridiculous notions!

In the Quran it clearly states that their is no compulsion in religion!

If a woman wants to cover herself, it should be out of piety and love for God! Not anything else!



Ridiculous and FALSE!

You are the hypocrite and are either ignorant or lack the cognitive ability to understand what I am saying!

The covering of a woman is a sign of modesty and submission to God!

It removes her from worly desires and illuminates her heart with the love for the Almighty!

The command comes from God, not men, and as I have stated earlier, there is no compulsion in Islam, as stated in the Quran! If she wants to cover herself with a hijab or niqab, she should do it out of love for God!

When I said " Maybe Allah sees fault in His creation" it was not meant to ridicule Allah, but to ridicule mankind. Sometimes when you read, you should read with a broader sense, and not be so narrow minded.
Further, you say that the order for hijab etc is in the Koran, if so then it should be strictly adhered to, and it should be not left to choice.
One thing you very rightly said though, and it applies to all humans, that when we do the good that we do , we should do it out of our love for God and not by compulsion...cheers

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Could you please point out where I have made an attack on Islam or Muslims, dont make statements just for the heck of it. As for supporting Islamic policies in the west is more difficult than in India, because in India, the muslims have a sizeable population and they also have a voice. Any move in this direction will face heavy opposition form all Indian muslims

Post 83 says it all
I respect RAM , GOD , JESUS , Buddha never said any thing to hurt any one religion and so should you , that's what I have learned from great country like Canada.

 

[New Vision]

Man i am nothing more than an Ignorant Muslim with little knowledge of Islam.

Only Scholars like Zakir Naik can give you completely satisfying Answers for your Questions.

Although i doubt but still if you are really interested in knowing the truth you must not seek answers on Public Forums.

You live in Canada get to your Muslim Colleagues and ask them who is the best Imam(Preacher).ABOUT ONE THING I MUST WARN YOU IS THAT TRY YOUR VERY VERY VERY BEST TO GET TO THE RIGHT IMAM.If Necessary get your answers from more than One Imam.

Because in my opinion(And also the thing that i have learned from my elders and culture)having to consult some who has Incomplete knowledge about Religion is very dangerous.

There is a saying in Urdu.

Nim hakim khataray Jan.Nim Maulvi khataray Iman

Thanks Pak Yes, you see I have been exposed to muslims since I was a kid. I have had and still have (actually best friends) who are Pakistani muslims. Problem is whenever you ask a question to different people you get different answers and this is very very confusing.

 

[Desert Fox]

but as I know, Niqab is not a part of Islam.
Even the meaning of hijab is disputed

Hijab is mandatory in Islam, but i don't know about Niqab. If a women wears Niqab then its her choice, but Hijab is not an option its an obligation