Nice way to evade/counter a BVR missile

[Donatello]

And why is this thread still open?

 

[sohail.ishaque]

the easiest way is to install a goalkeeper on each aircraft's tail -

He should be properly gloved.. shouldn't let the missile slip from his hands....

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Air Forces can hire some wicket keepers from our cricket teams.

He shouldn't be Kamran Akmal... or else he'll show his teeth and miss the missile....

 

[JonAsad]

He should be properly gloved.. shouldn't let the missile slip from his hands....

Lol- i meant this goalkeeper-

Goalkeeper CIWS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JonAsad]

He shouldn't be Kamran Akmal... or else he'll show his teeth and miss the missile....

haha he never misses- he just drops -

 

[laiqs@mi]

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[illuminatidinesh]

haha he never misses- he just drops -

Dropping the ball=missing the missile...... ha ha ha

 

[anathema]

People still think missiles chase airplanes around the sky. It absolutely does not work that way. A missile's algorithm predicts where the target will be at intercept, finds that imaginary point in the sky, and flies to it. If, along the way, the target alters course, a new intercept point is computed. This update is fast and continuous.

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Chogy -

Does that hold good for short range missiles (heat seeking missiles , Imaging missiles , etc). I always thought that heat seeking /imaging missiles chase the plane ...

Thanks for the wonderful post..

 

[Chogy]

Chogy -

Does that hold good for short range missiles (heat seeking missiles , Imaging missiles , etc). I always thought that heat seeking /imaging missiles chase the plane ...

Thanks for the wonderful post..

TY - Yes it does hold true. You can simulate the behavior of a missile with a buddy and two bicycles. Have your friend ride relatively fast, and enter a turn. Your job is to go collide with him. Your natural instinct is to project his path into the future, and ride towards that point... cutting across the circle.

With an AIM-9 fired across a turn circle like this, the missile will often be at 80 to 90 degrees (perpendicular) relative to the flight path of the target when it makes its intercept. Older missiles would often miss to the rear of the target, and once the missile crosses the flight path, the seeker will be gimballed and the IR lock lost. New missiles are much better.

I looked on YouTube for a while, couldn't find much. Most of the "deomos" were non-maneuvering. This one, from 4:00 on, shows the principle a bit.

Here's an F-15 shooting down a QF-4 drone, but you can't see the missile path very well.

 

[rockstarIN]

Sir Chogy,

One question, which is the favorable scenario for a BVR launch, from the same altitude or from higher altitude to a lower altitude target or vice versa?

The craft who are in higer altitude has an adventage over the lower altitude one?

 

[Chogy]

Sir Chogy,

One question, which is the favorable scenario for a BVR launch, from the same altitude or from higher altitude to a lower altitude target or vice versa?

The craft who are in higer altitude has an adventage over the lower altitude one?

Being high can double or triple the range of a missile, so it is in the best interests of an attacker to be at a high altitude. But at the same time, missiles fired up at the attacker also benefit from the thinner air and increased range. It's a trade-off.

Missile kinematics are very interesting. The thick air near sea level definitely reduces range of an AAM.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

some thing like ejection seat but in this case we are talking about the entire cockpit with expensive machinery and nose with aesa radar.

And landing into the hands of the enemy, thank you very much,
so where is the data recorder and mission feed? ah an AESA too? oh you shouldnt have!!!

did you see diamonds are forever? the bad guy escapes in the front part of his yacht while the rear part fights with the British Navy and gets destroyed

 

[Chogy]

One thing I forgot to mention... I was reminded of it by the picture of the B-52.

Bombers used to be heavily armed. We often picture the B-17 with 12 heavy machine guns, and the B-29 which was the first bomber to use a specialzed powered remote turret. But as the years went by, people realized that defensive guns were pretty ineffective, and they began to vanish.

The B-52 did in fact have a sort of primitive Goalkeeper/CIWS in that they mounted a 20mm cannon (the same M-61 gun in a fighter) and set it up with an automated, radar-guided aiming system. The "tail gunner" was nowhere near the gun. He was at a station that had the gun's radar display, and he did nothing more than flip an "enable" switch. This system worked exactly twice over Vietnam. Interesting story.

Guns have disappeared from US bombers, but Russia still flies with 23mm "stinger" tails in a number of heavy aircraft.

 

[Chogy]

20mm M-61 cannon, radar-guided

Quad-50. Note the tail gunner station was still there. The windows are still in place. The .50 was too light and was replaced by the 20mm cannon above:

 

[Ark-Angel]

People still think missiles chase airplanes around the sky. It absolutely does not work that way. A missile's algorithm predicts where the target will be at intercept, finds that imaginary point in the sky, and flies to it. If, along the way, the target alters course, a new intercept point is computed. This update is fast and continuous.

Let's say the target is a mile ahead of you, and enters a break turn. You fire a missile. The missile will immediately cut across the circle. It looks like it's not going to work, but like magic, the missile meets the airplane on the turn circle way off to one side or the other.

You mean like that shown in Behind the Enemy Lines (2001)?