Next round of water talks with India in jeopardy

[egodoc222]

in that case i will meet you at kashmir sector. I promise you that.
about our capabilities. It's the only reason you signed the pact. Either hindus or muslims will exist. 1 will cease to exst in case we fight another war and i hope it will be the one concentrated in 1 country.


you can utilize your water share but delaying the process to stop our water without giving us a chance to raise the issue will lead us to an unwanted and unnecessary war where atleast a billion people will die.
And unfortunately india is aggressor. Aggression is not only firing the first bullet but creating an environment where war is necessary.


according to simla aggreement india pakistan issues are bilateral.
secondly indian army captured 8 pakistani empty posts in 1972 and broke the aggreement.
According to simla aggreement both militaries were not supposed to cross their current positions. but india invaded siachin, thus breaking the aggreement. but because it's your army you didn't broke simla agreement.
Indian dgmo just said that loc is not international boundary and can be violated. then why cry over kargil.

If you want war...we'll give you one buddy!!
But your army is smarter than you!

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

If you want war...we'll give you one buddy!!
But your army is smarter than you!

no, it's your army who backs off every time. We gave you war 4 times.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Lol...say that to 90000 pak soldiers in 1971!!

they surrendered to bengalis. if there won't have been a civil war, there wouldn't have been any surrender.
the total soldiers who were present in bengal along with paramilitary and policemen were 45,000. rest of the so called prisoners were civilians.
BBC video from that time clearly shows civilians including women and children being taken to POW camp.

 

[egodoc222]

they surrendered to bengalis. if there won't have been a civil war, there wouldn't have been any surrender.
the total soldiers who were present in bengal along with paramilitary and policemen were 45,000. rest of the so called prisoners were civilians.
BBC video from that time clearly shows civilians including women and children being taken to POW camp.

Lol you signed surrender agreement with IA...it didn't take any POW...they were left off!!
This not the right thread for the topic though!!

 

[Tom M]

according to simla aggreement india pakistan issues are bilateral.
secondly indian army captured 8 pakistani empty posts in 1972 and broke the aggreement.
According to simla aggreement both militaries were not supposed to cross their current positions. but india invaded siachin, thus breaking the aggreement. but because it's your army you didn't broke simla agreement.
Indian dgmo just said that loc is not international boundary and can be violated. then why cry over kargil.

Siachen doesn't come under Simla Agreement or any other agreements prior to that since it was a clearly demarcated territory a no mans land.

Paragraph B 2 (d) of Karachi Agreement[edit]
Following the UN-mediated ceasefire in the 1949, the line between India and Pakistan was demarcated up to point NJ9842 at the foot of the Siachen Glacier. The largely inaccessible terrain beyond this point was not demarcated,[15] but delimited as thence north to the glaciers in paragraph B 2 (d) of the Karachi Agreement.

Paragraph B 2 (d) of 1949 Karachi Agreement states:

(d) From Dalunang eastwards the cease-fire line will follow the general line point 15495, Ishman, Manus, Gangam, Gunderman, Point 13620, Funkar (Point 17628), Marmak, Natsara, Shangruti (Point 1,531), Chorbat La (Point 16700), Chalunka (on the Shyok River), Khor, thence north to the glaciers. This portion of the cease- fire line shall be demarcated in detail on the basis of the factual position as of 27 July 1949, by the local commanders assisted by United Nations military observers.

Regarding Kargil, no one is crying about the act but the treachery behind it. On one side you were initiating the peace talks and our then P.M even visited "Minar-e-pakistan" as a goodwill and what did you give back, backstabbing in Kargil ?? Now how can some one deal with such a treacherous neigbhour. Think for yourself.

Now any proof to substantiate all your above claims ?? Like Indian army occupying 8 post in 1972 (after signing Simla Agreement, the timeline is very important) and Indian DGMO's claim about LOC (apart from the Surgical strike which you don't agree then how come you claim the agreement is violated by India) ??

they surrendered to bengalis. if there won't have been a civil war, there wouldn't have been any surrender.
the total soldiers who were present in bengal along with paramilitary and policemen were 45,000. rest of the so called prisoners were civilians.
BBC video from that time clearly shows civilians including women and children being taken to POW camp.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you are totally wrong in this case. I think the Images provided below are pretty much self explanatory, but still it will be good if you could read through the Instrument of Surrender.

Instrument of Surrender of Pakistan forces in Dacca
December 16, 1971

INSTRUMENTS OF SURRENDER OF PAKISTANI FORCES IN DACCA

Dacca

The Pakistan Eastern Command agree to surrender all Pakistan Armed Forces in Bangladesh to Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora, General Officer Commanding-in –chief of the Indian and Bangladesh forces in the eastern theatre. This surrender includes all Pakistan land, air and naval forces as also all Para-military forces and civil armed forces. These forces will lay down their arms and surrender at the places where they are currently located to the nearest regular troops under the command of Lieutenant-general Jagjit Singh Aurora.

The Pakistan eastern command shall come under the order of Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora as soon as this instrument has been signed. Disobedience of orders will be regarded as a breach of the surrender terms and will be dealt with in accordance with the accepted laws and usages of war. The decision of Lieutenant-General Jagjit Singh Aurora will be final. Should any doubt arise as to the meaning or interpretation of the surrender terms.
Lieutenant-General-Jagjit-Singh-Aurora gives a solemn assurance that personnel who surrender shall be treated with dignity and respect that soldiers are entitled to in accordance with the provisions of the Geneva Convention and guarantees the safety and well being of all Pakistan military and Para-military forces who surrender. Protection will be provided to foreign nationals, ethnic minorities and personnel of West Pakistan origin by the forces under the command of Lieutenant-General Jagjit Singh Aurora.


Sd/-
JAGJIT SINGH AURORA
Lieutenant General
General Officer
Commanding-in-Chief Eastern Command
(India)
16 December 1971

Sd/-

AMIR ABDULLAH KHAN NIAZI
Lieutenant General
Zone B And Commander,
Eastern Command
(Pakistan)
16 December 1971

http://www.mea.gov.in/bilateral-doc...ment+of+Surrender+of+Pakistan+forces+in+Dacca

 

[Kedardel]

One thing is clear from all posts by Indian Members that they r not even concerned by raising of war threat by Pakistani posters. Indian posters r even ready to have a war with Pakistan.
We Indians really need a war now, there has not been a war since 18 years. long time

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Seriously ?? We are discussing about a river not a road dear. And do you have any idea how much money China will have to invest and for what ?? Just to deprive India of some water that is mostly used for Hydro-electric power generation. Indus is not our lifeline, neither Bhramaputra. Moreover you have only two streams, Indus and Tsangpo, that actually become so called rivers after entering India. LOL

Please check the respective pictures of both the rivers while they flow through China.

I won't say it is technically impossible to divert rivers in difficult Himalayan terrain as I'm not an expert in this case, but still the economic viability of this project will be far too high for China, and the gain ?? Almost a BIG zero. LMAO.

Nothing but you can yet again deteriorate an already strained relationship with on of their trading partners. China has more to loose than hurting India by blocking our rivers, mind it.

When Water become critical element of life, do you really think people will care about a cost? you said all that just because China and Pakistan have not decided to divert the source of Indus to Pakistan as yet, if we both determine to do it, India will cry for sure. China don't need Indus water, we can give it all to Pakistan.

Please Do it.... India would be glad... Block whatever passes from your territory... It would be your lappy who will suffer the most...

What is in the rush, we have plenty of time to amuse and entertain India with geo-water politic, and we shall decide who will be the most to suffer

 

[wiseone2]

they surrendered to bengalis. if there won't have been a civil war, there wouldn't have been any surrender.
the total soldiers who were present in bengal along with paramilitary and policemen were 45,000. rest of the so called prisoners were civilians.
BBC video from that time clearly shows civilians including women and children being taken to POW camp.

nope they surrendered to 1300 Indian troops

One thing is clear from all posts by Indian Members that they r not even concerned by raising of war threat by Pakistani posters. Indian posters r even ready to have a war with Pakistan.
We Indians really need a war now, there has not been a war since 18 years. long time

why generalize ?
I do not want a war however hot headed the pakistanis are

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Seriously, which world are you living in ?? And What makes you think Bangladesh is our enemy ?? LOL

But by blocking Bhramaputra they certainly will become your enemy.

But far better than crying about the presence and name of a peaceful Buddhist Monk, right mate ??

Hmm, you can partially hurt India making an enemy out of Bangladesh in that process. But since almost all important catchment area of Brahmaputra is well within India, there is a limit that you can hurt us. And rain in not Chinese monopoly.

P.S: China cannot hurt India much than they can do it to Pakistan and Bangladesh in this case.

If you guys think to use Bangladesh as excuse to prevent China from diverting the water, you're completely wrong because we can use the same tactic to make India fell guilty for the first count: we can use India's water diversion as excuse to do the same, if Bangladesh has no problem with India's water diversion such as Farakka Barrage then they should not blame China to do the same unless they can stop India from divert the water, so we're fully justified for our water diversion...unless India stop all the water diversion now

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

nope they surrendered to 1300 Indian troops


why generalize ?
I do not want a war however hot headed the pakistanis are

Theywere given surrender order that's why they surrendered. At some places they were out of ammunition and had planned to fight using knives.

Pakistanis are not hot headedbut Pakistanis won't compromise on their rights either.
Modi needs to take a bath in cold water.

Siachen doesn't come under Simla Agreement or any other agreements prior to that since it was a clearly demarcated territory a no mans land.

Paragraph B 2 (d) of Karachi Agreement[edit]
Following the UN-mediated ceasefire in the 1949, the line between India and Pakistan was demarcated up to point NJ9842 at the foot of the Siachen Glacier. The largely inaccessible terrain beyond this point was not demarcated,[15] but delimited as thence north to the glaciers in paragraph B 2 (d) of the Karachi Agreement.

Paragraph B 2 (d) of 1949 Karachi Agreement states:

(d) From Dalunang eastwards the cease-fire line will follow the general line point 15495, Ishman, Manus, Gangam, Gunderman, Point 13620, Funkar (Point 17628), Marmak, Natsara, Shangruti (Point 1,531), Chorbat La (Point 16700), Chalunka (on the Shyok River), Khor, thence north to the glaciers. This portion of the cease- fire line shall be demarcated in detail on the basis of the factual position as of 27 July 1949, by the local commanders assisted by United Nations military observers.

Regarding Kargil, no one is crying about the act but the treachery behind it. On one side you were initiating the peace talks and our then P.M even visited "Minar-e-pakistan" as a goodwill and what did you give back, backstabbing in Kargil ?? Now how can some one deal with such a treacherous neigbhour. Think for yourself.

Now any proof to substantiate all your above claims ?? Like Indian army occupying 8 post in 1972 (after signing Simla Agreement, the timeline is very important) and Indian DGMO's claim about LOC (apart from the Surgical strike which you don't agree then how come you claim the agreement is violated by India) ??



Sorry to burst your bubble but you are totally wrong in this case. I think the Images provided below are pretty much self explanatory, but still it will be good if you could read through the Instrument of Surrender.

Instrument of Surrender of Pakistan forces in Dacca
December 16, 1971

INSTRUMENTS OF SURRENDER OF PAKISTANI FORCES IN DACCA

Dacca

The Pakistan Eastern Command agree to surrender all Pakistan Armed Forces in Bangladesh to Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora, General Officer Commanding-in –chief of the Indian and Bangladesh forces in the eastern theatre. This surrender includes all Pakistan land, air and naval forces as also all Para-military forces and civil armed forces. These forces will lay down their arms and surrender at the places where they are currently located to the nearest regular troops under the command of Lieutenant-general Jagjit Singh Aurora.

The Pakistan eastern command shall come under the order of Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora as soon as this instrument has been signed. Disobedience of orders will be regarded as a breach of the surrender terms and will be dealt with in accordance with the accepted laws and usages of war. The decision of Lieutenant-General Jagjit Singh Aurora will be final. Should any doubt arise as to the meaning or interpretation of the surrender terms.
Lieutenant-General-Jagjit-Singh-Aurora gives a solemn assurance that personnel who surrender shall be treated with dignity and respect that soldiers are entitled to in accordance with the provisions of the Geneva Convention and guarantees the safety and well being of all Pakistan military and Para-military forces who surrender. Protection will be provided to foreign nationals, ethnic minorities and personnel of West Pakistan origin by the forces under the command of Lieutenant-General Jagjit Singh Aurora.


Sd/-
JAGJIT SINGH AURORA
Lieutenant General
General Officer
Commanding-in-Chief Eastern Command
(India)
16 December 1971

Sd/-

AMIR ABDULLAH KHAN NIAZI
Lieutenant General
Zone B And Commander,
Eastern Command
(Pakistan)
16 December 1971

http://www.mea.gov.in/bilateral-doc...ment+of+Surrender+of+Pakistan+forces+in+Dacca

that doesn'tchange the fact that they lost due to civil war and proxy wars of india. The same india was humiliated at this front few years ago in 65. This time we were outnumbered by 1:50(general maneksha). our soldiers were ired due to long civil war. We were 3000 miles away from the other part. We were defeated at sea by soviet ships. We took our revenge from them. India will face our revenge very soon.

Siachen doesn't come under Simla Agreement or any other agreements prior to that since it was a clearly demarcated territory a no mans land.

Paragraph B 2 (d) of Karachi Agreement[edit]
Following the UN-mediated ceasefire in the 1949, the line between India and Pakistan was demarcated up to point NJ9842 at the foot of the Siachen Glacier. The largely inaccessible terrain beyond this point was not demarcated,[15] but delimited as thence north to the glaciers in paragraph B 2 (d) of the Karachi Agreement.

Paragraph B 2 (d) of 1949 Karachi Agreement states:

(d) From Dalunang eastwards the cease-fire line will follow the general line point 15495, Ishman, Manus, Gangam, Gunderman, Point 13620, Funkar (Point 17628), Marmak, Natsara, Shangruti (Point 1,531), Chorbat La (Point 16700), Chalunka (on the Shyok River), Khor, thence north to the glaciers. This portion of the cease- fire line shall be demarcated in detail on the basis of the factual position as of 27 July 1949, by the local commanders assisted by United Nations military observers.

Regarding Kargil, no one is crying about the act but the treachery behind it. On one side you were initiating the peace talks and our then P.M even visited "Minar-e-pakistan" as a goodwill and what did you give back, backstabbing in Kargil ?? Now how can some one deal with such a treacherous neigbhour. Think for yourself.

Now any proof to substantiate all your above claims ?? Like Indian army occupying 8 post in 1972 (after signing Simla Agreement, the timeline is very important) and Indian DGMO's claim about LOC (apart from the Surgical strike which you don't agree then how come you claim the agreement is violated by India) ??

1949 karachi agreement is not simla aggreement. So stop using it to justify your claim. Simla aggreement is what we are talking about. Go to indian ministry of external affair. You will find the exact words.

In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the cease-fire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this Line.

india broke this point in treaty by invading siachin. in 1972 indian army captured 8 un occuped Pakistani posts.
nowhere is the word kargil written too in simla agreement either.
Indian DGMO supported Pakistani stance on kargil by accepting that we were right to do it as it is not international border.

 

[Tom M]

Theywere given surrender order that's why they surrendered. At some places they were out of ammunition and had planned to fight using knives.

Pakistanis are not hot headedbut Pakistanis won't compromise on their rights either.
Modi needs to take a bath in cold water.


that doesn'tchange the fact that they lost due to civil war and proxy wars of india. The same india was humiliated at this front few years ago in 65. This time we were outnumbered by 1:50(general maneksha). our soldiers were ired due to long civil war. We were 3000 miles away from the other part. We were defeated at sea by soviet ships. We took our revenge from them. India will face our revenge very soon.


1949 karachi agreement is not simla aggreement. So stop using it to justify your claim. Simla aggreement is what we are talking about. Go to indian ministry of external affair. You will find the exact words.

In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the cease-fire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this Line.

india broke this point in treaty by invading siachin. in 1972 indian army captured 8 un occuped Pakistani posts.
nowhere is the word kargil written too in simla agreement either.
Indian DGMO supported Pakistani stance on kargil by accepting that we were right to do it as it is not international border.

Blah, Blah, Blah, where are the links to substantiate your claims friend ?? Until and unless you provide them your claims are nothing but Blatant LIES. :-(

And I think you have serious comprehension problem or you are twisting facts as per your comfort. I know we are talking about Simla Agreement, but even in Simla Agreement or any other agreements before that siachen is neither considered as Pakistan's territory or India's. It was a un-demarcated territory that we choose to occupy because we preempted your operation else, Pakistan would have occupied those heights and then you might be claiming what I'm saying here. It is not my words, but your country itself acknowledge the fact. Please read the below excerpt from the link that follows;

"On April 13, 1984 a small force of the Indian Army occupied the Bilafond La pass. Four days later, another small force occupied the Sia La pass. Both passes, the former at over 18,000 ft and the latter at over 20,000 ft are located in the Saltoro Range and serve as the gateway to the Siachen Glacier. The Indians had moved fast after receiving intelligence that the Pakistan Army was planning to occupy them. The first Pakistani reaction to the occupation of the passes came on April 24/25, 1984 when a small force attempted to get to the Bilafond La in an uphill assault but was thwarted by the difficult glaciated terrain and adverse weather conditions."

It is non other than one of your own retired brigadiers who says so in his article.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/368394/the-fight-for-siachen/

Moreover India had many times agreed to withdrew troops from Siachin and we are still ready for that, but if and only if Pakistan authenticate the Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL), but it seems like you have other intentions just like in Kargil ( treachery).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actual_Ground_Position_Line

https://www.dawn.com/news/245690

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...o-authenticate-agpl-in-siachen-antony-1104042

Why you can't authenticate current position of troops and facilitate the demilitarization of the zone one and for all ?? Ever thought ?

KARGIL was nothing but (Treachery, Treachery, Treachery), even if you try to justify the act, the time chosen was really bad which effectively killed the peace process, now how can you expect India to trust you again when you have proved to be back stabbers while negotiations and peace process ????????

And a simple reply for your revenge crap that you have wrote above. Pakistan can't do a jack, let alone revenge LOL

P.S: Please don't reply back if you can't provide and links / evidence to substantiate your claims just like I do, I am really fed up with you usual rants without supporting links. So please don't bother me again if you don't have any supporting facts. Thank you

If you guys think to use Bangladesh as excuse to prevent China from diverting the water, you're completely wrong because we can use the same tactic to make India fell guilty for the first count: we can use India's water diversion as excuse to do the same, if Bangladesh has no problem with India's water diversion such as Farakka Barrage then they should not blame China to do the same unless they can stop India from divert the water, so we're fully justified for our water diversion...unless India stop all the water diversion now

Go ahead and do whatever you want, but you can only stop the entire water that's flowing through your country, not Inside India right ? As long as almost all major tributaries are well within Indian territory, the majority of rain catchment area also come under us, you are free to do whatever you want. You can really trouble us a bit but never hurt as you may wish. Because neither Indus or Brahmaputra is a lifeline for India, we have 100's of other big and small rivers. LOL

When Water become critical element of life, do you really think people will care about a cost? you said all that just because China and Pakistan have not decided to divert the source of Indus to Pakistan as yet, if we both determine to do it, India will cry for sure. China don't need Indus water, we can give it all to Pakistan.

Now who is stopping you ? Go ahead and divert and if you think it will seriously hurt India and Indian's will starve to death because of water scarcity then all the very best.

And yes India will cry, because one of our rivers might be diverted and not because of the presence or name of a peaceful Buddhist monk. Now who looks more of a joker in both the scenario, India or China ?? LOL

What is in the rush, we have plenty of time to amuse and entertain India with geo-water politic, and we shall decide who will be the most to suffer

Oops, I never knew China is Neptune, please don't deprive us from Ganga, Yamuna, Satluj, Krishna, Goravari, Narmada, Kavari etc, to name a few.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Blah, Blah, Blah, where are the links to substantiate your claims friend ?? Until and unless you provide them your claims are nothing but Blatant LIES. :-(

And I think you have serious comprehension problem or you are twisting facts as per your comfort. I know we are talking about Simla Agreement, but even in Simla Agreement or any other agreements before that siachen is neither considered as Pakistan's territory or India's. It was a un-demarcated territory that we choose to occupy because we preempted your operation else, Pakistan would have occupied those heights and then you might be claiming what I'm saying here. It is not my words, but your country itself acknowledge the fact. Please read the below excerpt from the link that follows;

"On April 13, 1984 a small force of the Indian Army occupied the Bilafond La pass. Four days later, another small force occupied the Sia La pass. Both passes, the former at over 18,000 ft and the latter at over 20,000 ft are located in the Saltoro Range and serve as the gateway to the Siachen Glacier. The Indians had moved fast after receiving intelligence that the Pakistan Army was planning to occupy them. The first Pakistani reaction to the occupation of the passes came on April 24/25, 1984 when a small force attempted to get to the Bilafond La in an uphill assault but was thwarted by the difficult glaciated terrain and adverse weather conditions."

It is non other than one of your own retired brigadiers who says so in his article.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/368394/the-fight-for-siachen/

Moreover India had many times agreed to withdrew troops from Siachin and we are still ready for that, but if and only if Pakistan authenticate the Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL), but it seems like you have other intentions just like in Kargil ( treachery).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actual_Ground_Position_Line

https://www.dawn.com/news/245690

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...o-authenticate-agpl-in-siachen-antony-1104042

Why you can't authenticate current position of troops and facilitate the demilitarization of the zone one and for all ?? Ever thought ?

KARGIL was nothing but (Treachery, Treachery, Treachery), even if you try to justify the act, the time chosen was really bad which effectively killed the peace process, now how can you expect India to trust you again when you have proved to be back stabbers while negotiations and peace process ????????

And a simple reply for your revenge crap that you have wrote above. Pakistan can't do a jack, let alone revenge LOL

P.S: Please don't reply back if you can't provide and links / evidence to substantiate your claims just like I do, I am really fed up with you usual rants without supporting links. So please don't bother me again if you don't have any supporting facts. Thank you

http://mea.gov.in/in-focus-article.htm?19005/Simla+Agreement+July+2+1972
indian invasion of siahin is against the agreement where both parties are asked not to make new posts or change military positions.
Pakistan occupied kargil empty posts as pre emptive actions like siachin.
All of your links were information on current situation or the siachin war, not proving any of your point.
Pakistan will sign AGPL, but what is the guarantee that india would not acpture the remaining areas and bring GB areas under direct threat from indian ground forces???????????
Give us written guarantee that if india broke the treaty we will be allowed to use just 1 bomb on mumbai we will happily sign the agreement. trust deficit.
in 1949 aggreemnt a line was marked which went to the north. If see that line. Siachin beongs to Pakistan as it falls on our side of the line. It belongs to us.

NJ9842 (in full: NJ 38 98000, 13 42000, yard based Indian Grid Coordinates) is the northernmost demarcated point of the India-Pakistan cease fire line known as the Line of Control.[1]

WIKIPEDIA.

AGPL shown with yellow-colored dotted line.
The line was formally accepted as a cease fire line by the prime minister of India, Indira Gandhi and president of Pakistan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto as per the Simla Agreement signed on July 2, 1972.
You broke the agreement and are giving pre emptive type of logics to justify invasion of Pakistani land and breaking of simla agreement.

It was the biggest treachery in the history of man kind where one side breaks the treaty and then defend breaking it and when the victim try to take their land back they call them treachers.

NOTE: OF YOU DONOT HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN STORIES THAN PLZ DON'T REPLY. IF YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG THEN PLZ ENLIGHTEN ME.

 

[Tom M]

http://mea.gov.in/in-focus-article.htm?19005/Simla+Agreement+July+2+1972
indian invasion of siahin is against the agreement where both parties are asked not to make new posts or change military positions.
Pakistan occupied kargil empty posts as pre emptive actions like siachin.
All of your links were information on current situation or the siachin war, not proving any of your point.
Pakistan will sign AGPL, but what is the guarantee that india would not acpture the remaining areas and bring GB areas under direct threat from indian ground forces???????????
Give us written guarantee that if india broke the treaty we will be allowed to use just 1 bomb on mumbai we will happily sign the agreement. trust deficit.
in 1949 aggreemnt a line was marked which went to the north. If see that line. Siachin beongs to Pakistan as it falls on our side of the line. It belongs to us.

NJ9842 (in full: NJ 38 98000, 13 42000, yard based Indian Grid Coordinates) is the northernmost demarcated point of the India-Pakistan cease fire line known as the Line of Control.[1]

WIKIPEDIA.

AGPL shown with yellow-colored dotted line.
The line was formally accepted as a cease fire line by the prime minister of India, Indira Gandhi and president of Pakistan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto as per the Simla Agreement signed on July 2, 1972.
You broke the agreement and are giving pre emptive type of logics to justify invasion of Pakistani land and breaking of simla agreement.

It was the biggest treachery in the history of man kind where one side breaks the treaty and then defend breaking it and when the victim try to take their land back they call them treachers.

NOTE: OF YOU DONOT HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN STORIES THAN PLZ DON'T REPLY. IF YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG THEN PLZ ENLIGHTEN ME.

Pakistan will sign AGPL, but what is the guarantee that india would not acpture the remaining areas and bring GB areas under direct threat from indian ground forces???????????

LOL, "ulta chor kotwal ko dante" ???

Remember it is in your interest if the area is demilitarized, keeping it actually serves us a strategic if not tactical high ground. So If Pakistan seriously want to demilitarize Siachen, then agree to authorize AGPL and both the armies pull back, why can't you sign that ?? What if I ask you the same question, one India pull back and Pakistan forces occupy the heights ??

P.S: Pakistan can't dictate terms in the case of Siachen since we have the strategic high ground, you have tried and failed multiple time to recapture Siachen over last few decades. So only option is to authorize APGL. Else excuse us. It will be status quo ante bellum.


Only one last thing, at present situation no negotiations are gonna happen. You keep what is with you and we keep ours. And if you still wish for more, come and get it, if you feel so superior, battle hardened what is stopping you from taking Siachen, J&K or anything else ??

On a serious note, while I am dead against any armed conflict, I don't see any other solution for this, at-least in my lifetime. Sorry

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

LOL, "ulta chor kotwal ko dante" ???

Remember it is in your interest if the area is demilitarized, keeping it actually serves us a strategic if not tactical high ground. So If Pakistan seriously want to demilitarize Siachen, then agree to authorize AGPL and both the armies pull back, why can't you sign that ?? What if I ask you the same question, one India pull back and Pakistan forces occupy the heights ??

P.S: Pakistan can't dictate terms in the case of Siachen since we have the strategic high ground, you have tried and failed multiple time to recapture Siachen over last few decades. So only option is to authorize APGL. Else excuse us. It will be status quo ante bellum.


Only one last thing, at present situation no negotiations are gonna happen. You keep what is with you and we keep ours. And if you still wish for more, come and get it, if you feel so superior, battle hardened what is stopping you from taking Siachen, J&K or anything else ??

On a serious note, while I am dead against any armed conflict, I don't see any other solution for this, at-least in my lifetime. Sorry

i told you. We are ready to sign it but we need a guarantee too.

 

[Tom M]

i told you. We are ready to sign it but we need a guarantee too.

Come on dude, Pakistan never officially acknowledged to the request about authorization of AGPL, whereas India has officially agreed to pull out troops if you authorize the position of the troops. Now whatever you say here in PDF doesn't make an IOTA of difference since Pakistan's official position is the opposite.

Moreover the authorization agreement in itself is a guarantee that the area will be demilitarized one and for all and will be never reoccupied, what other guarantee does Pakistan want ?? A guarantee to bomb our cities ?? LOL