next lal masjid ?masood azhar madrasa bahawalpur

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Violent Jihad is only part of political Islam, not the religion of Islam. In religion of Islam, Jihad is all about inner struggle to defy sins and to do good honourable deeds. Unfortunately, for looney losers like you, Jihad has been confined to its violent prospects only.

Seems like you've been busy reading a lot of Gora kithaba. There is no such thing as violent Jihad. First define what is your understanding of politics?

The statement of Jihad al-Akbar and Jihad al-Asghar is a lie! This statement was never said by Nabi as'salaathu was'salaam. The statement is found in Thareeq Al-Baghdadi, however he is innocent of this false claim.

Now read the statements from the classical scholars about the above statement;

Abu Ya'li Al-Khalili said; Halth, he is very weak!
Imam Ahmad said about him: Liar, fabricator of hadith!
Amour bin Ali and Sinni3i and Darul Qutani: it is NOT a hadith!

Pg 31, Vol 1 - Mashari-Ul-Aswaq il madari-ul-Ushwaq

 

[Norwegian]

The statement of Jihad al-Akbar and Jihad al-Asghar is a lie! This statement was never said by Nabi as'salaathu was'salaam. The statement is found in Thareeq Al-Baghdadi, however he is innocent of this false claim.

So you claim all the peace-loving verses of the Koran and sayings of the Holy prophet (SAW) are a lie as well? Only the violent ones are true?

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

So you claim all the peace-loving verses of the Koran and sayings of the Holy prophet (SAW) are a lie as well? Only the violent ones are true?

If you want to debate me then learn proper manners of debate. We are talking about what you quoted! If you want to bring up anything else, then do so and we'll take it from there.

 

[senses]

This thread is turning into a chaos. Better get it in order before every one goes berserk

 

[Norwegian]

If you want to debate me then learn proper manners of debate. We are talking about what you quoted! If you want to bring up anything else, then do so and we'll take it from there.

There are tons of Islamic material written on Jihad-e-Akbar and Jihad-e-Asghar. Now just because some Islamic scholars believe there was no such hadith to begin with, all this work go in vain?

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

There are tons of Islamic material written on Jihad-e-Akbar and Jihad-e-Asghar. Now just because some Islamic scholars believe there was no such hadith to begin with, all this work go in vain?

Our Sufi scholars mention this statement. However, they only mention it as fighting cannot be declared without a Caliph. And as we don't have a claph they tell us to focus on purifying our soul.

 

[Norwegian]

Our Sufi scholars mention this statement. However, they only mention it as fighting cannot be declared without a Caliph. And as we don't have a claph they tell us to focus on purifying our soul.

So jihad is only about armed struggle per Islamic scripture. That's new

 

[Irfan Baloch]

So you claim all the peace-loving verses of the Koran and sayings of the Holy prophet (SAW) are a lie as well? Only the violent ones are true?

you need to calm down and be careful

If you want to debate me then learn proper manners of debate. We are talking about what you quoted! If you want to bring up anything else, then do so and we'll take it from there.

need to watch out that discussion doesnt get to some unpleasant end and invite trolling and closing of thread

Well, Salafis don't raze tombs to the ground, Wahabis do. Wahabism is more extreme in nature than Salafism.

in Swat they even dragged the copses out of the shrines and desecrated them.

anyway this video is a funny take on the topic at hand
@Norwegian re your KSA friends

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

So jihad is only about armed struggle per Islamic scripture. That's new

In Sharia terms, Jihad not always means fighting, however it is always associated with War.

It is true that a person in these days people misuse the word jihad, for example going to the masjid.

Unfortunately, the apologist will play with the linguistic meaning as they don't want to focus on the Sharia meaning.

For example: Root word is j-h--d = strive, struggle

Another example: Islam : root word s-l-m = peace (linguistic meaning)
Sharia Meaning : Submission to Allah

 

[Irfan Baloch]

In Sharia terms, Jihad not always means fighting, however it is always associated with War.

It is true that a person in these days people misuse the word jihad, for example going to the masjid.

Unfortunately, the apologist will play with the linguistic meaning as they don't want to focus on the Sharia meaning.

For example: Root word is j-h--d = strive, struggle

Another example: Islam : root word s-l-m = peace (linguistic meaning)
Sharia Meaning : Submission to Allah

Jihad bin Nafs for example is the biggest Jihad

 

[TankMan]

Jihad with weapons is part of Islam one of the most important and one of the most rewarded. Jihad has strict guidelines most important is that civilians can't be targeted and also their property until and unless its being used as base camp to hide or attack Muslims. Jihad is responsibility of state and their failure has created space which is being filled by militants. Muslims states and its leadership has to wake up and shun the cloak of cowardness and declare Jihad and liberate Muslim lands like Palestine and Kashmir and Chechnya. Your denial of Jihad just exposed you and who you really are ? their was a little confusion early on but it's cleared now.
@syedali73 @Gufi


Governments failure to not to do declare Jihad and do it through their Armed Forces not militant groups is damaging cause of Jihad, until and unless they wake up and start doing their duty as Muslim leaders defeating rogue militant groups is impossible.

@Zarvan,.The best and only permitted form of Jihad for today's Muslim countries is self-improvement and development.

That's because we do not fit the criteria to be able to initiate a struggle to help other Muslims. We need to help ourselves first. The criteria I mention includes having a legitimate and proper state, and at least half the strength of the enemy. All peaceful and diplomatic methods must first be exhausted.

How can you expect to help other Muslims when we are busy fighting among ourselves? How will you ''liberate'' Palestine or Kashmir when our people are oppressing each other?

Muslims' first duty is to implement some level of justice in our own society and countries. In @syedali73 sahib's concise words,

Jihad can only be declared by the government and not by individuals. If the government is corrupt, bring a better government

Violent Jihad is only part of political Islam, not the religion of Islam. In religion of Islam, Jihad is all about inner struggle to defy sins and to do good honourable deeds. Unfortunately, for looney losers like you, Jihad has been confined to its violent prospects only.

It is true that an inner struggle is more the bigger and more important form of Jihad, but sometimes, violence is necessary, and the religion of Islam is not pacifist. Violence is permitted if and only if the alternative is (actual) oppression, defeat, death and destruction, and armed Jihad or Qital can only be started by a legitimate state that fulfills all the criteria, but it is still 'part' of Islam.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Jihad bin Nafs for example is the biggest Jihad

Could we not drop the world Jih@d and replace it with our local word "Mehnat" (hard work)?

Why make it complicated by using words that have already been hijacked by gangsta?

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Jihad bin Nafs for example is the biggest Jihad

Bhai, it is the fault of our Sufi scholars for promoting this erroneous statement. There is NO hadith. It was made up!

The statement of Jihad al-Akbar (Jihad al Nafs) and Jihad al-Asghar (War) is a lie! This statement was never said by Nabi as'salaathu was'salaam. The statement was narrated in Thareeq Al-Baghdadi, however he is innocent of this false claim.

The classical scholars said about the above statement;

Abu Ya'li Al-Khalili said; Halth, he is very weak!
Imam Ahmad said about him: Liar, fabricator of hadith!
Amour bin Ali and Sinni3i and Darul Qutani: it is NOT a hadith!

Pg 31, Vol 1 - Mashari-Ul-Aswaq il madari-ul-Ushwaq

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Could we not drop the world Jih@d and replace it with our local word "Mehnat" (hard work)?

Why make it complicated by using words that have already been hijacked by gangsta?

that is true but why give royalty of that word to the nutjobs
after all it was used by Muhammad PBUH and there are types of it. yes it got a bad press but so has the word "Muslim" itself where do we want to go and how far changing everything since its used by Halal dollar funded nutcases.
I would rather we use it like in Capiton America where the team America "puts" jihad on the assess of the terrorists

 

[Sage]

Indian Airlines IC-814 hijacked by jihadists, in Kandahar airport. The plane was surrounded by Taliban to prevent any military operation.
The hijacking forced India to release Masood Azar from custody.

Or may be someone asked them to surround the plane .... It was one of the most successful high jacking in the history of aviation ...!