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Their was no order of Jihad in Makkah. Jihad was made compulsory in Madinah and after that their were several wars every year and increased by every year. Sorry but now their are 57 Muslim states can't wait for every country to get in order and as Muslim lands are under occupation for example Palestine and Kashmir and Chechnya its duty of Muslim states to declare Jihad their failure is biggest boost to militant groups. Your denial will not change reality .Well, it is because of the ignorance of people like you who claim to know Islam but in reality clueless about Islam and its history and the seerat of Mohammed (PBUH). Muslims were being tortured and persecuted in Mekkah but Mohammed did not wage war? Not until the time was right and his house was in order. What the hell are you talking about? I'll politely suggest you not to make mockery of yourself. Your statements are giving very wrong impression about Islam.
No, I interpreted ''a Muslim ruler'' as a ruler. Read the Hadith again. This is backed even further by the point that half the strength of the enemy is required to begin an armed struggle. Can a small group have half the strength to win against an oppressing state? Not very likely. Therefore, this 'different interpretation' is flawed.You interpreted "him" as ruler.... Other interpret it "leader of group"...It can be small.....Different interpretation by different Fiqah. That's it!
Do Read ghazwa badar how a small group can outperform biggest opponents.Can a small group have half the strength to win against an oppressing state? Not very likely. Therefore, this 'different interpretation' is flawed.
The rules for the Prophet's time were different. Desperation, direct divine intervention - not applicable to today's Muslims.Do Read ghazwa badar how a small group can outperform biggest opponents.
Every Fiqah says "My interpretation is right" others are flawed. Whats new...
Please develop a habit of reading the post carefully. I am not referring to the time of Mekkah, but time of Madina when several Muslims were stranded in Mekkah and under persecution. Sulah Hudaibyah... rings any bell? What were the conditions? Do you know how many Muslims were being persecuted before and after that?Their was no order of Jihad in Makkah. Jihad was made compulsory in Madinah and after that their were several wars every year and increased by every year. Sorry but now their are 57 Muslim states can't wait for every country to get in order and as Muslim lands are under occupation for example Palestine and Kashmir and Chechnya its duty of Muslim states to declare Jihad their failure is biggest boost to militant groups. Your denial will not change reality .
Don't indulge in religious bigotry and behaviour like "I am always right"....And other knows nothing about.....Develop our nations. Then worry about Qital and Jihad for others. At the very least get our own countries on track.
I guess nobody is stopping you and Zarvan from getting yourselves blown up into an American or Israeli or Bharti compound. Go ahead but spare us from your misinterpretations of Islam and its philosophy of Qattal-fi-sabeel-illah. Thanks.Don't indulge in religious bigotry and behaviour like "I am always right"....And other knows nothing about.....
It just happens in our country, it creates sections , and sub sections, sectarian violence, then bigotry, bigotry and then bloodshed.....You have to leave this pessimistic behavior then there is some hope for better Pakistan.
Meray bhai kidher hai pessimistic behaviour? Since when did my opposing militancy become bigotry? Please quote one post in which I have said anything that amounts to sectarian bigotry. You have to leave this habit of jumping to conclusions and declaring others pessimists or bigots.Don't indulge in religious bigotry and behaviour like "I am always right"....And other knows nothing about.....
It just happens in our country, it creates sections , and sub sections, sectarian violence, then bigotry, bigotry and then bloodshed.....You have to leave this pessimistic behavior then there is some hope for better Pakistan.
You are being labeled and ridiculed because there is nothing left to counter your logical and Quran-backed arguments. You should celebrate this name calling for it always results when one gets exhausted of counter arguments. Congratulations!Here I am trying to argue against a dangerous corruption of religious narrative that leads to militancy, through proper discourse with a basis in authentic Islamic texts, and in response I am labelled a 'bigot'.
Rant and offtopic post is sign of losing the argument ... I am friend of Israel, and I don't buy so called jihad theory for terrorist Hamas....I guess nobody is stopping you and Zarvan from getting yourselves blown up into an American or Israeli or Bharti compound.
Friend of Israel? Bhai, you need to first befriend with your own self and learn how to conduct a debate without getting cheap.Rant and offtopic post is sign of losing the argument ... I am friend of Israel, and I don't buy so called jihad theory for terrorist Hamas....
Hamas, LET, Taliban, ISIS all are terrorist according to me....Don't lecture me to blow myself in amercia .. You are free to blow yourself anywhere.
Read your post again....Who is getting cheap , and you said "blow yourself in Israel and America" . You should not talk like this. Sir ,learn to win argument through debate and evidence.... Otherwise it just shows, you are losing the argument. ... You should not talk like this.learn how to conduct a debate without getting cheap.
Apparently there's an exception if the discussion is of any quality and not just trolling. Though the mods really do need to clarify their stance on this.Not to be accused of being anti-Islam or anything like that, but isn't religious discussion against the rules of PDF? Each side playing holier-than-thou only makes them both look bad.