Kashmir is a legitimate resistance movement, even if Pakistan didn't support them, the Kashmiri people would still ask for independence from India. India has been brutal, and been responsible for state sponsored terrorism against the Kashmiri people.
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Kashmir is a legitimate resistance movement, even if Pakistan didn't support them, the Kashmiri people would still ask for independence from India. India has been brutal, and been responsible for state sponsored terrorism against the Kashmiri people.
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No it's not.... There were no resistance till the early 90s... it was started by ISI for the 71.
If pakistan stopped the support these kids will have a real life..
LoL... again it was you who created the mess in 48 when you invaded kashmir, It was you who brain washed the kashmiri kids tofight Indian army in 90s which made their life horrible
@sbh02 @zeshukhan lets not go off topic
Kashmir is a legitimate resistance movement, even if Pakistan didn't support them, the Kashmiri people would still ask for independence from India. India has been brutal, and been responsible for state sponsored terrorism against the Kashmiri people.
The point still stands, the Kashmiri people do not need Pakistan's support for their independence struggle.
It's also funny that Indians accuse kashmiris against the Indian state as Islamists. Yet burhan wani welcomed hindu pandits to return to the Valley, and welcomed them.
And you don't see any suicide bombers in kashmir (or Palestine), or innocent civilians being targeted the way they are in Pakistan.
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Every gardener knows that unless you take the roots out, the weeds will reappear. No matter what you do, this menace cannot and will not stop. Nurseries of Islamic extremism are the madrassas; until these are reformed nothing will change. Here is an article which spells out the problem. The million dollar question is “Who has the spine to pull the roots of the sectarian / extremism problem?”
Reforming madressahs
Home / Today's Paper / Opinion / Reforming madressahs
By Raja Qaiser Ahmed
February 17, 2017
Print : Opinion
Pakistan’s terrorism quagmire is multipronged. It involves violent non-state actors operating under religious outfits. It has crime and terror syndicates and finally sectarian outfits that are serving as a breeding ground for radicalisation and terrorism in Pakistan.
Pakistan’s counterterrorism doctrine can be lauded for its operational preparedness – although it remained counterproductive in curbing the roots of terrorism. Radical extremism and violent terrorism, while interrelated, are misleadingly clubbed together in the equation of Pakistan’s counterterrorism strategy.
Under the national counterterrorism plan, the government declared it would launch a decisive crackdown against sectarian hate-mongers and all those madressahs that refuse to register under the new registration policy announced by the government to regulate and regularise madressahs in Pakistan.
A coalition comprising five bodies of religious seminaries belonging to different schools of thought had assured the government that its madressahs would register under the new policy within three months. It had also agreed to modernise curricula and a committee was to be formed to review courses taught in madressahs.
To date, the above tasks have not materialised. “Madressahs are universities of ignorance”. This statement by former information minister Pervaiz Rashid in the past had resulted in a furious backlash from those who vehemently justify madressahs.
The prevalent global discourse on terrorism is primarily focused on the interpretation of religious doctrine. Post 9/11 the revamped global scenario and a redefined contextualisation has put the issue of religious radicalisation vis-à-vis religious indoctrination right in the limelight. The overriding of the Western liberal political order and extreme reaction from the volatile Muslim world have further sharpened the rifts. The existing polarisation, coupled with the blurred lines of integration, has resulted in a hybrid structure.
Talk on reforming the curricula of madressahs has been on for quite some time now – without much having been achieved though.
Madressahs have always been seen as an antidote to modernity whether during the colonial rule or afterwards. The setting up of Darul Uloom Deoband in 1866 by the religious clerics of that time was a reaction to the seeping process of modernity initiated by the British Raj. With a defined mindset, an anti-modernity and retrogressive discourse was instilled. All this was happening in the backdrop of the technological changes and industrial avant-garde that had reshaped the traditional modes of means of communication and led to the rise of the middle class.
Madressahs were part of the resistance against the colonial rule. Deoband, Jamiat ur Raza and Nidwatul Ulema are a few examples of such madressahs. The curricula of madressahs have always been considered the sole jurisdiction of the set of jurisprudence that madressahs subscribe to. Even the British could not transform madressah education in the Subcontinent.
Madressah education is an inward-looking strategy and any effort to reform madressah education and curriculum is taken as a conspiracy. The strength and success of madressahs is due to this strategy of looking inward. It resists the outward influences and marks them as a conspiracy of non-believers against the teachings and the scriptures of Islam.
Under this mindset, reforming madressahs is not an easy task. Violent religious political outfits are also attempting to make inroads into the political setup. The recent election win of Mirza Masroor Jhangvi from Jhang highlights this phenomenon. Political parties like the JUI-F, doing real politik at the name of saving madressahs, are also a major impediment in madressah reforms.
At this critical juncture, Pakistan needs a clear and decisive policy roadmap. Mere lip service to the National Action Plan will not guarantee a solution. A comprehensive policy in this regard, one that is aimed at imparting a rationalised discourse on madressahs, and a mechanism of effective monitoring are direly needed to tackle the problem of radical extremism turning into violent extremism in the country.
The writer is a faculty member at
Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad.
Email: rajaqaiserahmed@gmail.com
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/186798-Reforming-madressahs
Reforming madressahs
Home / Today's Paper / Opinion / Reforming madressahs
By Raja Qaiser Ahmed
February 17, 2017
Print : Opinion
Pakistan’s terrorism quagmire is multipronged. It involves violent non-state actors operating under religious outfits. It has crime and terror syndicates and finally sectarian outfits that are serving as a breeding ground for radicalisation and terrorism in Pakistan.
Pakistan’s counterterrorism doctrine can be lauded for its operational preparedness – although it remained counterproductive in curbing the roots of terrorism. Radical extremism and violent terrorism, while interrelated, are misleadingly clubbed together in the equation of Pakistan’s counterterrorism strategy.
Under the national counterterrorism plan, the government declared it would launch a decisive crackdown against sectarian hate-mongers and all those madressahs that refuse to register under the new registration policy announced by the government to regulate and regularise madressahs in Pakistan.
A coalition comprising five bodies of religious seminaries belonging to different schools of thought had assured the government that its madressahs would register under the new policy within three months. It had also agreed to modernise curricula and a committee was to be formed to review courses taught in madressahs.
To date, the above tasks have not materialised. “Madressahs are universities of ignorance”. This statement by former information minister Pervaiz Rashid in the past had resulted in a furious backlash from those who vehemently justify madressahs.
The prevalent global discourse on terrorism is primarily focused on the interpretation of religious doctrine. Post 9/11 the revamped global scenario and a redefined contextualisation has put the issue of religious radicalisation vis-à-vis religious indoctrination right in the limelight. The overriding of the Western liberal political order and extreme reaction from the volatile Muslim world have further sharpened the rifts. The existing polarisation, coupled with the blurred lines of integration, has resulted in a hybrid structure.
Talk on reforming the curricula of madressahs has been on for quite some time now – without much having been achieved though.
Madressahs have always been seen as an antidote to modernity whether during the colonial rule or afterwards. The setting up of Darul Uloom Deoband in 1866 by the religious clerics of that time was a reaction to the seeping process of modernity initiated by the British Raj. With a defined mindset, an anti-modernity and retrogressive discourse was instilled. All this was happening in the backdrop of the technological changes and industrial avant-garde that had reshaped the traditional modes of means of communication and led to the rise of the middle class.
Madressahs were part of the resistance against the colonial rule. Deoband, Jamiat ur Raza and Nidwatul Ulema are a few examples of such madressahs. The curricula of madressahs have always been considered the sole jurisdiction of the set of jurisprudence that madressahs subscribe to. Even the British could not transform madressah education in the Subcontinent.
Madressah education is an inward-looking strategy and any effort to reform madressah education and curriculum is taken as a conspiracy. The strength and success of madressahs is due to this strategy of looking inward. It resists the outward influences and marks them as a conspiracy of non-believers against the teachings and the scriptures of Islam.
Under this mindset, reforming madressahs is not an easy task. Violent religious political outfits are also attempting to make inroads into the political setup. The recent election win of Mirza Masroor Jhangvi from Jhang highlights this phenomenon. Political parties like the JUI-F, doing real politik at the name of saving madressahs, are also a major impediment in madressah reforms.
At this critical juncture, Pakistan needs a clear and decisive policy roadmap. Mere lip service to the National Action Plan will not guarantee a solution. A comprehensive policy in this regard, one that is aimed at imparting a rationalised discourse on madressahs, and a mechanism of effective monitoring are direly needed to tackle the problem of radical extremism turning into violent extremism in the country.
The writer is a faculty member at
Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad.
Email: rajaqaiserahmed@gmail.com
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/186798-Reforming-madressahs
Great read!
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wow.. so who are these so called sarpanches who were being butchered in kashmir???
there're only few brainwashed who's creating trouble in kashmir listening to pakistan.. and its only i valley
don't for a second thing all in kashmir agree with militants.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8279929.stm
https://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?t=7543
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not until we put Pakistan first especially politicians judiciary police intelligence agencies bureau and armed forces. They should no that there will be no constitution without Pakistan and their will be no authority without pakistan
How can we prevent the next “Bomb attack"? Please write your suggestions because it to much today as 50 men are died with 100s of children left unattended.
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Majority of the population in J&K is in the Valley.
Can you tell me of a suicide bomber in Kashmir? There might be one or two sarpanches killed here and there in Kashmir, but 99% of the targets are Indian security forces.
And you are proving my point, the Kashmiri independence movement doesn't need Pakistan to survive, they will still fight for their independence, because of your country's actions, not Pakistan.
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Ya.. which has few brainwashed...
wow... so sarpanches are not civilian anymore??? Kashmir has a legitimate government.. 65.23% of kashmiris voted in the last election inspite of repeated calls by the separatists to boycott the election.. what does that tells you???
No I'm not... again without the pakistan terror support in Kashmir the movement will go down to ashes, and kashmiris will have a better life.
Voting in elections means nothing, the whole world saw what happened when burhan wani was killed. Kashmiris don't need Pakistan's support to fight for their calls for independence from India.
Again, almost all attacks in Kashmir are against military forces.
Let's just leave it at that.
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And all did saw what happened to the crowed soon after the demonetization..
So tell me what had changed since then..?? Nothing because the world knows Pakistan was
financing the rouble in Kashmir and they don't stand with you on this issue..
only way is peace talks between India and Pakistan.. but If pakistan is not going to stop finacing terror in
Kashmir,, say good bye to the talks.. on the ground nothing will be changed...
Accept the reality!! Kashmir will be never off the hands of India
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So you want me to start history from partition....????....go through the forum and you will get answers of your every question......and the above bold part is enough to convince me that, which version of history and current affairs you have in your mind.....how can we be engaged in an argument when you vehemently lie about the ground realities.....???......anyway I will not reply you off-topic.
In your eyes, prominent scholars such as Noam Chomsky and other western intellectuals are terrorists too because they support the Kashmiris against Indian atrocities. The kashmiri struggle against the Indian state has continued post demonetization, just look at your daily news, attacks against Indian forces is continuing. It has nothing to do with Pakistan, but everything related to how the Indian state has behaved towards Kashmir.
Even your ex CM in J&K Omar Abdullah admitted the reaction of Kashmiris post Burhan Wani's death was the fault of the Indian state, not Pakistan.
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talk is cheap, as an Indian you taLK TALL LIKE YOUR ARMY ABOUT SURGICAL STRIKES, SO WITHOUT PROOF YOU BETTER TALK TO MY HAND. YOUR COUNTRY IS AN OPPRESSOR, IN kASHMIR AND TO OTHER BUDDING UPRISING. STOP AND TRY TO BE TRUTHFUL AND NOT A SPIN MASTER, WE WILL SUPPORT kASHMIRIS BECAUSE IT IS A DISPUTED TERRITORY. UN SAYS SO, BUT ANY OTHER TERRITORY WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY THING, ON THE OTHER HAND YOU INTERFERED IN bANGLADESH, THAT WAS HORRENDOUS AS YOU TRAINED TERRORISTS LIKE MUKTI'S.
SO DON'T LECTURE US. BEFORE LOOK UNDER YOU OWN NOSE.
THOSE WHO PAINT PAKISTAN WITH SUCH SLOGANS ARE BUSY IN MANY MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES CHASING MANY ORGANISATION CAME INTO EXISTENCE. NOW THOSE ARE, AS PER YOU, CREATED BY MUSLIMS TOO, THIS SHOWS YOUR HATRED FOR MUSLIMS.
FOR INDIA PAKISTAN DO NOT NEED A MILITARY POWER SUCH AS US, BUT THAN YOU SPIN IT AGAIN. AND LET SHOW THE TRUTH ABOUT AFGHANISTAN AS THEY WERE THERE 10 YEARS WHAT DID THEY ACHIEVE, BUT PAKISTAN HAS ACHIEVES A GREAT DEAL GOING AFTER SAME DUDES, BUT YOU NDUE ALWAYS SPINNING THE MATTER BY TALKING APPLES AND ORANGES AND MIXING EVERYTHING HAPHAZARDLY.
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Immediate Strategy
1. Close the entire pak-afghan border infinitely
2. find out who is the most beneficiary behind Jamaat ul Ahraar[in landlocked country] (Dont pass any comment until you dont find proofs)
3. keep demanding and pressurize Afghan Govt to hand over militant to Pak
4. Negotiate with Iran that they should not let go the indian or afghan across afghan-pak-iran border.
5. Do not threat to any nation either from military or Civilian platform. or else pros and corns would be horrible. untilll you dont have proofs against state terrorism (india)
Perfect Strategy
1. Rise your voice in UN that we have doubt india is supporting Jamaat Ul Ahraar as they are biggest beneficiary. as india did after Mombai attack.
2. NACTA should start work properly without any political influence
3. Engage China as a Pakistani Collaborating partner at UN platform in this matter.
4. if India say they are not involve then demand them either get out from Afghanistan if you are not involve or take an action against Jamaat Ul Ahraar inside Afghanistan.
5. Deal with Russia to Deploy their naval forces in Gawadar.
(I know you will not agree with me) but that is the final Solution. write down my words you cant stop Next but can stop entirely
1. Close the entire pak-afghan border infinitely
2. find out who is the most beneficiary behind Jamaat ul Ahraar[in landlocked country] (Dont pass any comment until you dont find proofs)
3. keep demanding and pressurize Afghan Govt to hand over militant to Pak
4. Negotiate with Iran that they should not let go the indian or afghan across afghan-pak-iran border.
5. Do not threat to any nation either from military or Civilian platform. or else pros and corns would be horrible. untilll you dont have proofs against state terrorism (india)
Perfect Strategy
1. Rise your voice in UN that we have doubt india is supporting Jamaat Ul Ahraar as they are biggest beneficiary. as india did after Mombai attack.
2. NACTA should start work properly without any political influence
3. Engage China as a Pakistani Collaborating partner at UN platform in this matter.
4. if India say they are not involve then demand them either get out from Afghanistan if you are not involve or take an action against Jamaat Ul Ahraar inside Afghanistan.
5. Deal with Russia to Deploy their naval forces in Gawadar.
(I know you will not agree with me) but that is the final Solution. write down my words you cant stop Next but can stop entirely
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