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Newsweek targets Pakistan

Indeed, that was blatant HIPPOcracy :cheers:

PS Your points are silly. Perhaps I'll answer them if i got time to waste later.


Don't waste your time on illiterates like me save it for the editor of Newsweek, CNN, Nancy Pelosi and off course Mr G Bush and Oh I forgot a Lady called Hillary.

Would also like to add people like Ayaz Amir (he is quoted in Newsweek too), Asma Jehangir (her daughter works for NDTV India), Gen Karamat (retd) etc

Have a nice weekend.

Regards
 
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Pakistan: Crackdown Continues | Newsweek.com

Jahangir, co-chair of the HRCP, said in an e-mailed press release following her house arrest in Lahore on Saturday that "the dictator has lost his marbles. Those he has arrested are progressive, secular-minded people, while the terrorists are offered negotiations and ceasefires." Her daughter Munizae, 30, news correspondent for New Delhi TV, told NEWSWEEK that police and plainclothes intelligence personnel have besieged their house. "They must be feeling very insecure and frightened if this is what it's come to," she said. "Instead of tackling [militant leaders] Baitullah Mehsud, Fazlullah or the terrorists that are running amok, the government is picking on elderly women."
 
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Pakistan: Crackdown Continues | Newsweek.com

Pakistanis never doubted that President Pervez Musharraf declared the state of emergency last weekend to save his own political skin. His emergency order, which is more akin to a declaration of martial law, suspended all constitutional guarantees, allowing Musharraf to crack down on the judiciary, lawyers, opposition politicians, and the media: the urban middle-class elite. So, understandably, no one is buying the claim he made in a nationally televised midnight address that his main aim was to give him more power to fight terrorism and curb the seemingly inexorable spread of Islamic extremism from the lawless tribal area of Waziristan, which borders on Afghanistan, to neighboring towns and cities. The militants remain largely untouched in their ever-expanding safe havens. "It's not about terrorism, extremism or Waziristan; it's only about Musharraf clinging on to power," says Ayaz Amir, a respected political columnist.
 
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The person who wrote the article on Newsweek clearly had an agenda. This is what American so called "free media" has come to. Moral values, truth and non biased articles are not a main priority for them, but to promote their own agenda, which is almost always pro Zionist or/and anti Islamic.

Your letter was amazing, but I am afraid it might be ignored as they simply dont care. Money is all that matters. India with its "worlds biggest democracy" will take direct orders from the American media. No problem, their image is boosted out of proportion, but if a country doesnt respect the American agenda, it becomes a terrorist nation. It really is that simple.

Many people think a Democratic Pakistan with Nukes and a powerful army will be accepted by the west. I dont think they will ever accept Muslim countries without a puppet Gov controlled by them.

What agenda could he (the editor) have? If the the facts that been mentioned have not been refuted by the govt categorically as false and motivated, which should have been the natural reaction, then the article apparently is vindicated. And since Newsweek is widely read internationally, such a refuting would have been the natural corollary.

Newsweek by the way is not Indian media, in case you were not aware nor is it Zionist (to the best of my knowledge) since the editor is a renowned and well respected Moslem, Fareed Zakaria. And if you have been a regular reader he is also ballistics when it come to the US or even India, if you will.

No, one does not become a terrorist nation if one does not obey the US. Since you wish to compare everything to India, let me assure you that though India has not agreed to the US India nuke deal, none have labelled India as terrorist. One should, therefore, should display some rationality in one's sentences and thought. One just can't crank one's pet peeve anywhere and everywhere just when rationality deserts!


Let us say, for discussion's sake, that the Musharraf govt did release the terrorists. Of course, it would skew the anti terrorist programme, but did he have a choice given the seriousness of the issue where the troops surrendered meekly to the terrorists and the situation was moving to boil over? Have you heard Nawaz Sharif comments?

You may be of the opinion that Musharraf is a puppet govt, but many others disabuse your views.

True, Musharraf may have made mistakes, but then who does not make mistakes? Now that everyone is going ballistics and giving no space by organising event after event to undermine the govt, the chances are that more mistakes would be made. However, one must see his intentions and then judge , more so since his interest are with the health of Pakistan; and not for the trappings that in Pakistan has so far been seen to be pulling it down into a morass.

In these troubled time of Pakistan, the cry is for balanced and clinical analysis and not giving into to pet peeves.
 
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The militants remain largely untouched in their ever-expanding safe havens. "It's not about terrorism, extremism or Waziristan; it's only about Musharraf clinging on to power," says Ayaz Amir, a respected political columnist.

Isn't Ayaz Amir an ex Army officer?

He should realise that fighting militancy is not as easy as pinching a baby's bottom.

It is all the more difficult when one's own countrymen support such terrorists with funds through Mullahs of the Lal Mazjid type, moral support through such articles as the one quoted and by fomenting law and order problems that brings in an Emergent situation requiring an Emergency to be proclaimed!
 
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infact many Pakistani members blame Gen Haq in the same terms as generals from banana republics.

I wonder if anyone can refute that.

He is the source of all the problems that Pakistan faces today.
 
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"It's not about terrorism, extremism or Waziristan; it's only about Musharraf clinging on to power," says Ayaz Amir, a respected political columnist. [/B]

That's obviously not true. If it were, Musharraf would not be letting elections go ahead as usual. It suggests the CJ was doing something he shouldn't have been doing. That would be the logical explanation.
 
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That's obviously not true. If it were, Musharraf would not be letting elections go ahead as usual. It suggests the CJ was doing something he shouldn't have been doing. That would be the logical explanation.

What utter rubbish......The elections are useless if the people of pakistan can not get rid of mushy.
Your allegations against the CJ are as childish as what mushy tried to frame him with and failed.
 
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Well as per guerdian they are the most stupid people.

Regards

Bro..... roadrunner must be a 12 year old kid sat his computer who's pointless debates have been annihilated by me on so many occasions i can not be bothered with the fool.
His entire arguments shift from one thing to another ,with semanics and wordplay his area of "expertise".
 
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War against Democracy
Musharraf’s Coup - Seven Years Later
Musharraf and his generals are determined to stay in power. They will protect the source of their power – the army. They will accommodate those they must – the Americans. They will pander to the mullahs. They will crush those who threaten their power and privilege, and ignore the rest. No price is too high for them. They are the reason Pakistan fails.

Dr. Parvez Hoodbhoy

Some had feared – while others had hoped – that General Pervez Musharraf’s coup of October 12, 1999, would bring the revolution of Kemal Ataturk to a Pakistan firmly in the iron grip of mullahs. But years later a definitive truth has emerged. Like the other insecure governments before it, both military and civilian, the present regime also has a single point agenda – to stay in power at all costs. It therefore does whatever it must and Pakistan falls further from any prospect of acquiring modern values, and of building and strengthening democratic institutions.
The requirements for survival of the present regime are clear: on the one hand the Army leadership knows that its critical dependence upon the West requires that it be perceived abroad as a liberal regime pitted against radical Islamists. But, on the other hand, in actual fact, to preserve and extend its grip on power, it must preserve the status quo.

The staged conflicts between General Musharraf and the mullahs are therefore a regular part of Pakistani politics. This September, nearly seven years later, the religious parties needed no demonstration of muscle power for winning two major victories in less than a fortnight; just a few noisy threats sufficed. From experience they knew that the Pakistan Army and its sagacious leader – of “enlightened moderation” fame – would stick to their predictable pattern of dealing with Islamists. In a nutshell: provoke a fight, get the excitement going, let diplomatic missions in Islamabad make their notes and CNN and BBC get their clips – and then beat a retreat. At the end of it all the mullahs would get what they want, but so would the General.

Examples abound. On 21st April 2000, General Musharraf announced a new administrative procedure for registration of cases under the Blasphemy Law. This law, under which the minimum penalty is death, has frequently been used to harass personal and political opponents. To reduce such occurrences, Musharraf’s modified procedure would have required the local district magistrate’s approval for registration of a blasphemy case. It would have been an improvement, albeit a modest one. But 25 days later – on the 16th of May 2000 – under the watchful glare of the mullahs, Musharraf hastily climbed down: “As it was the unanimous demand of the ulema, mashaikh and the people, therefore, I have decided to do away with the procedural change in the registration of FIR under the Blasphemy Law”.

Another example. In October 2004, as a new system for issuing machine readable passports was being installed, Musharraf’s government declared that henceforth it would not be necessary for passport holders to specify their religion. Expectedly this was denounced by the Islamic parties as a grand conspiracy aimed at secularizing Pakistan and destroying its Islamic character. But even before the mullahs actually took to the streets, the government lost nerve and the volte-face was announced on 24 March, 2005. Information Minister Sheikh Rashid said the decision to revive the religion column was made else, “Qadianis and apostates would be able to pose as Muslims and perform pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia”.

But even these climb downs – significant as they are – are less dramatic than the astonishing recent retreat over reforming the Hudood Ordinance, a grotesque imposition of General Zia-ul-Haq’s government unparalleled both for its cruelty and irrationality.

Enacted into the law in 1979, it was conceived as part of a more comprehensive process for converting Pakistan into a theocracy governed by Sharia laws. These laws prescribe death by stoning for married Muslims who are found guilty of extra-marital sex (for unmarried couples or non-Muslims, the penalty is 100 lashes). The law is exact in stating how the death penalty is to be administered: “Such of the witnesses who deposed against the convict as may be available shall start stoning him and, while stoning is being carried on, he may be shot dead, whereupon stoning and shooting shall be stopped”.

Rape is still more problematic. A woman who fails to prove that she has been raped is automatically charged with fornication and adultery. Under the Hudood Law, she is considered guilty unless she can prove her innocence. Proof of innocence requires that the rape victim must produce “at least four Muslim adult male witnesses, about whom the Court is satisfied” who saw the actual act of penetration. Inability to do so may result in her being jailed, or perhaps even sentenced to death for adultery.

President and Chief of Army Staff General Musharraf, and his Citibank Prime Minister, Shuakat Aziz, proposed amending the Hudood Ordinance. They sent a draft for parliamentary discussion in early September, 2006. As expected, it outraged the fundamentalists of the MMA, the main Islamic parliamentary opposition. MMA members tore up copies of the proposed amendments on the floor of the National Assembly and threatened to resign en masse. The government cowered abjectly and withdrew.

Musharraf’s government proved no more enlightened, or more moderate or more resolute and behaved no differently from the more than half a dozen civilian administrations, including two terms of Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister and several ‘technocrat’ regimes. None made a serious effort to confront or reform these laws.

But the pattern is broader then deference to the mullahs. General Musharraf has been willing to use the iron fist in other circumstances. Two examples stand out: Waziristan and Balochistan. Each offers instruction.

In 2002, presumably on Washington’s instructions, the Pakistan Army established military bases in South Waziristan which had become a refuge for Taliban and Al Qaeda fleeing Afghanistan. It unleashed artillery and US-supplied Cobra gunships. By 2005 heavy fighting had spread to North Waziristan and the army was bogged down.

The generals, safely removed from combat areas, and busy in building their personal financial empires, ascribed the resistance to “a few hundred foreign militants and terrorists”. But the Army was taking losses (how serious is suggested by the fact that casualty figures were not revealed), soldiers rarely ventured out from their forts, morale collapsed as junior officers wondered why they were being asked to attack their ideological comrades – the Taliban – at American instruction. Reportedly, local clerics refused to conduct funeral prayers for soldiers killed in action.

In 2004, the army made peace with the militants in South Waziristan. It conceded the territory to them, which had made the militants immensely stronger. A similar “peace treaty” was signed on 1 September 2006 in the town of Miramshah, in North Waziristan, now firmly in the grip of the Pakistani Taliban.

The Miramshah treaty met all demands made by the militants: the release of all jailed militants; dismantling of army checkpoints; return of seized weapons and vehicles; the right of the Taliban to display weapons (except heavy weapons); and residence rights for fellow fighters from other Islamic countries. As for “foreign militants” – who Musharraf had blamed exclusively for the resistance, the militants were nonchalant: we will let you know if we find any! The financial compensation demanded by the Taliban for loss of property and life has not been revealed, but some officials have remarked that it is “astronomical”. In turn they promised to cease their attacks on civil and military installations, and give the army a safe passage out.

While the army has extricated itself, the locals have been left to pay the price. The militants have closed girls’ schools and are enforcing harsh Sharia laws in all of Waziristan, both North and South. Barbers have been told ‘shave and die’. Taliban vigilante groups patrol the streets of Miramshah. They check such things as the length of beards, whether the “shalwars” are worn at an appropriate height above the ankles, and attendance of individuals in the mosques.

And then there is Balochistan. Eight years ago when the army seized power, there was no visible separatist movement in Balochistan, which makes nearly 44% of Pakistan’s land mass and is the repository of its gas and oil. Now there is a full blown insurgency built upon Baloch grievances, most of which arise from a perception of being ruled from Islamabad and of being denied a fair share of the benefits of the natural resources extracted from their land.

The army has spurned negotiations. Force is the only answer: “They won’t know what hit them”, boasted Musharraf, after threatening to crush the insurgency. The Army has used everything it can, including its American supplied F-16 jet fighters. The crisis worsened when the charismatic 80-year old Baloch chieftain and former governor of Balochistan, Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, was killed by army bombs. Musharraf outraged the Baloch by calling it “a great victory”. Reconciliation in Balochistan now seems, at best, a distant dream.

Musharraf and his generals are determined to stay in power. They will protect the source of their power – the army. They will accommodate those they must – the Americans. They will pander to the mullahs. They will crush those who threaten their power and privilege, and ignore the rest. No price is too high for them. They are the reason Pakistan fails.
 
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What utter rubbish......The elections are useless if the people of pakistan can not get rid of mushy.

Ah, another brainless comment. Musharraf has already declared elections to go ahead as scheduled, and the opposition parties to be released for electioneering. Therefore, what was the point of the State of Emergency, if everything is going ahead as planned? There's only one answer, and that's the CJ obviously.

Here is the article.

"We should have elections before the 9th of January," President Gen. Pervez Musharraf said at a press conference, refusing to set a timeline for lifting emergency rule."
The Associated Press: Musharraf Expects Elections by Jan. 9

Now, IF Pak elections go ahead in January as planned, then the reason for this emergency will not have been Musharraf trying to hold onto power, as you have alleged constantly throughout this.

Your allegations against the CJ are as childish as what mushy tried to frame him with and failed.

Musharraf failed precisely because Musharraf gave the courts complete judicial independence and freedom. That is how it should work, not how it was before with governments interfering with the judiciary and paying them sums of money to keep them on side.

And if my allegations against CJ are so childish, why are elections going ahead as planned?

On another count, why did the CJ accuse Musharraf of acting "unconstitutionally" when the constitution was followed to the letter during his trial (which is why he got off the hook). Even the acting CJ who eventually let CJ Chaudary of the hook said Musharraf acted constitutionally. My take is that a CJ who lies so blatantly and is obviously affiliated with a political party is not independent, and moreover is corrupt.
 
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Bro..... roadrunner must be a 12 year old kid sat his computer who's pointless debates have been annihilated by me on so many occasions i can not be bothered with the fool.
His entire arguments shift from one thing to another ,with semanics and wordplay his area of "expertise".

Aside from the riff raff, self-importance, hot air, and personal attacks, i see a lot of denial in that statement :enjoy:
 
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Dear RR,

All on this forum are free to voice their opinions but before you give the Gen M a clean chit please rationally try and answer these questions


"We should have elections before the 9th of January," President Gen. Pervez Musharraf said at a press conference, refusing to set a timeline for lifting emergency rule."
The Associated Press: Musharraf Expects Elections by Jan. 9

Gen M declares emergency and the PM immediately says the elections will be postponed by a year ?

USA and world protests the Interior Minister says it will be in February ?

Bush calls up Gen M and publicly tells him to get out of the uniform and Mrs BB says she will join in the protest so the Gen recants and says election will be held ontime ?

So why declare emergency unless you wanted the CJ out of the way ? I am very sure if USA had not intervened Gen M would have postponed the elections by a year or two.


Musharraf failed precisely because Musharraf gave the courts complete judicial independence and freedom.

Which world do you live in ? Dictators, legally elected PM's and Presidents etc donot have any divine rights to give the judiciary freedom. JUDICIARY ARE INDEPENDANT except in banana republics. The independence of the judiciary comes from the Pakistani Constitution not from the whims and fancy of any elected head.

And if my allegations against CJ are so childish, why are elections going ahead as planned?

Heard of the USA ?

On another count, why did the CJ accuse Musharraf of acting "unconstitutionally" when the constitution was followed to the letter during his trial (which is why he got off the hook). Even the acting CJ who eventually let CJ Chaudary of the hook said Musharraf acted constitutionally. My take is that a CJ who lies so blatantly and is obviously affiliated with a political party is not independent, and moreover is corrupt.

Then pass a law in the parliament that next time you wish to remove a CJ it can be done by Parliament not by declaring an emergency.

Regards
 
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Aside from the riff raff, self-importance, hot air, and personal attacks, i see a lot of denial in that statement :enjoy:

Frankly Dabong1 may hold diametrically opposite views but they have never been lacking substance or convictions. Time to respect and learn from them.

Regards
 
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Dear RR,
All on this forum are free to voice their opinions but before you give the Gen M a clean chit please rationally try and answer these questions

Regards

I don't believe I said others are not free to voice their opinions. Being "always neutral" I'm surprised you would see something I did not mention.

Anyhow, your questions all centre on one thing. The Pak PM saying elections were postponed. In fact he never said anything of the sort. He said they are entitiled to postpone the election, but no decision has yet been made..

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said parliament was entitled to delay elections for a year under a state of emergency, but added that the government had not yet made a decision. "There could be some timing difference on the election schedule but we have not decided yet," Mr Aziz said.
Pakistan elections postponed | The Australian

I would suggest, rather than make things up, you read the news more carefully.

I'll ask the question again. Why did Musharraf call a State of Emergency when elections were only going to possibly be delayed by a few months (up to a year)?

Can you think of any difference postponing the elections by say 4 months would have made?

In that case what other reason could there have been for holding the state of emergency? Could someone like the CJ have been obstructing the road to democracy, knowing full well Musharraf would win, and then Musharraf would be free to elect (as per the constitution) a new CJ (which no doubts would not be Chaudry judging by what has gone on)?

I'm looking forward to your neutral answers.
 
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