New taxes expected in coming budget

[shah_123]

many people file returns by providing false details which cannot be verified.I think instead of forcing people to become filer we should educate ethics to them in our schools and universities so they pay taxes voluntarily and
govt should rebuild confidence of public through conduct and performance which will promote people to pay taxes

govts must ask themselves why a nation which pays billions of zakat/sadqa every year voluntarily, don't bother paying taxes .----- we all know the reasons:
corrupt tax machinery+ exploitative taxation system+ harrasment of the weak+ no accountability of the rich elite+ tax money going in pockets of corrupts etc., etc.,
typical example: we heard the news of fbr going after beauty parlors in karachi which are mostly run by middleclass women --- Did fbr bother going after lawyers mafia who openly denounces tax returns --- this sends a very negative message to the public.

The flawed law which needs to be fixed and tax filing should be made mandatory for every adult, because telling details of your income and assets is the way to prove that you don't fall in tax bracket. As of now, less than 1% file tax returns, so nobody care about their voices against corrupt fbr as they are minority. When majority will be filing returns, then concerns of majority against fbr can't be ignored.

Being uneducated isn't excuse of not filing return, However uneducated people should demand government to facilitate them in filing returns.

this govt is just wasting time here & there -- instead of dealing with the real issues, they are looking for peanuts from beauty parlors.

Elites, legislators and squanderers

• HUZAIMA BUKHARI AND DR IKRAMUL HAQ
  
• MAR 9TH, 2018

Pakistan is ruled and controlled by predatory elites in whose hands power and wealth are concentrated. This has been proved in the recent election of 54 members of Senate where allegedly huge funds exchanged hands! The ruling elites - comprising indomitable militro-judicial-complex, unscrupulous politicians, absentee landowners and greedy traders - are engaged in loot and plunder, rent-seeking and snatching of public property. Their lust for more and more control is giving rise to perpetual confrontations risking the very survival of the State.
https://fp.brecorder.com/2018/03/20180309350156/

Reluctant return filers

• HUZAIMA BUKHARI AND DR IKRAMUL HAQ
• NOV 2ND, 2018

People have become so indifferent that they are deliberately avoiding registering themselves with FBR knowing very well that once they do so, the officials will make their lives miserable through unlawful orders, illegal demands, freezing of accounts, blocking of refunds and inhuman attitude. They lack faith in tax officials as well as in the tax justice system. They are wary of long and expensive bouts of litigation that culminate as a result of high-handedness of revenue authorities. They suffer immensely due to inefficient, incompetent, costly and corrupt tax appellate system. In High Courts, they have to wait for years to get decisions.
https://fp.brecorder.com/2018/11/20181102420611/

@Yaseen1

 

[IceCold]

You must know that Labour class has to see up's and down's daily,there are months in which they hardly get any work.
Mason isn't employed around the year.If they get 1500 on day for 30 days,chances are next month there won't be anything.

Not just the labor class but the salaried class as well. One month you are on a job next you are not for one reason or the other. On top of that for the salaried class the tax is deducted at source meaning even if he gets unemployed in the following month, his tax has already been deducted on his previous income. However for the labour class it will not be so because nobody is cutting at source. It will only be after the year end where it will be calculated whether he needs to pay tax or not.
The purpose here is to document and become part of the system and not about actually paying taxes. Yes there maybe some time where labor does not get work and hence why tax is calculated on yearly basis and not monthly income.

 

[shah_123]

Please someone send this article to our PM imran khan. he was looking here and there & importing economics team from abroad --- read it mr Pm, read it and come to the real issues.

State oligarchy & tax breaks

• HUZAIMA BUKHARI AND DR IKRAMUL HAQ
• JAN 11TH, 2019

In a country where development outlay is cut drastically every year and an indomitable State Oligarchy enjoys unprecedented tax-free perquisites and perks at the expense of taxpayers, what can one expect other than fiscal chaos and double talk about loyalty to state. The self-styled defenders of "national cause" and "ideological frontiers" have done little to eliminate naked and brutal forms of exploitation prevalent in society, although it is the command of Article 3 of the Constitution that the State would ensure: "from each according to his ability to each according to his work". However, they require complete and unquestionable submission from everybody of their "authority" and actions, even if these fall outside their jurisdiction and/or patently unlawful. The elites and pressure groups flout the rule of law with impunity-for them, vulgar ostentation of power and/or money is essential to prove their might and importance. In this scenario, the victims and sufferers are the poor and helpless masses.

Nobody is ready to expose the role of predatory elites-militro-judicial-civil complex, businessmen-turned-politicians, absentee land owners and unscrupulous traders-in our politico-economic decay. The unholy alliance between politicians, state functionaries and unscrupulous businessmen is the root cause of our many ills-including politically-motivated loan write-offs and illegal flight of capital from the country leaving the masses in miserable conditions. Billions have been lost annually due to this unholy alliance. Since the rich and mighty do not pay due taxes, regressive taxes are imposed hurting the poor and middle class. On the one hand, Pakistan is a country with one of the lowest tax-to-GDP ratio, and on the other, bulk of collection is wasted mercilessly for non-productive expenses-funding monstrous state machinery and luxuries of the elites.
https://fp.brecorder.com/2019/01/20190111438749/

 

[Sugarcane]

this govt is just wasting time here & there -- instead of dealing with the real issues, they are looking for peanuts from beauty parlors.

Elites, legislators and squanderers

• HUZAIMA BUKHARI AND DR IKRAMUL HAQ
  
• MAR 9TH, 2018

Pakistan is ruled and controlled by predatory elites in whose hands power and wealth are concentrated. This has been proved in the recent election of 54 members of Senate where allegedly huge funds exchanged hands! The ruling elites - comprising indomitable militro-judicial-complex, unscrupulous politicians, absentee landowners and greedy traders - are engaged in loot and plunder, rent-seeking and snatching of public property. Their lust for more and more control is giving rise to perpetual confrontations risking the very survival of the State.
https://fp.brecorder.com/2018/03/20180309350156/

This government or that government doesn't change the fact that it's majority of mango men who are the reason that elite is looting with impunity. The common men don't want to play their smaller part and stubbornly refuse to file returns even when financial cost for these common men is very little (that also if they are in taxable income bracket or non-salaried person whose income tax is already deducted they only need to file simple return which will hardly take 10-15 minutes a year) while these common men expect predatory elite to file returns and pay taxes when financial cost for doing so is much higher for those rich. If it's not hypocrisy than what this behavior can be called?

 

[shah_123]

This government or that government doesn't change the fact that it's majority of mango men who are the reason that elite is looting with impunity. The common men don't want to play their smaller part and stubbornly refuse to file returns even when financial cost for these common men is very little (that also if they are in taxable income bracket or non-salaried person whose income tax is already deducted they only need to file simple return which will hardly take 10-15 minutes a year) while these common men expect predatory elite to file returns and pay taxes when financial cost for doing so is much higher for those rich. If it's not hypocrisy than what this behavior can be called?

fix the system and common man will start paying taxes .----In an Islamic State, common man is under no obligation to pay to a system which is exploitative, corrupt, barbaric and where tax money is abused and ends in the pockets of ruling elite.

 

[Sugarcane]

Not just the labor class but the salaried class as well. One month you are on a job next you are not for one reason or the other. On top of that for the salaried class the tax is deducted at source meaning even if he gets unemployed in the following month, his tax has already been deducted on his previous income. However for the labour class it will not be so because nobody is cutting at source. It will only be after the year end where it will be calculated whether he needs to pay tax or not.
The purpose here is to document and become part of the system and not about actually paying taxes. Yes there maybe some time where labor does not get work and hence why tax is calculated on yearly basis and not monthly income.

Man forget about poor uneducated labor class, it's too difficult to make even educated people realize that tax filing is obligation and they should be doing so. Even on PDF there lots of namonas who say why they should be filing tax returns and get themselves documented but in same breath will be demanding elite to do so.

fix the system and common man will start paying taxes .----In an Islamic State, common man is under no obligation to pay to a system which is exploitative, corrupt, barbaric and where tax money is abused and ends in the pockets of ruling elite.

LOL... Wherever it suites you, you can pull up Islamic, Poor lad hat. Why not start filing and then demand government to fix the problems you are facing while filing returns?

 

[shah_123]

Man forget about poor uneducated labor class, it's too difficult to make even educated people realize that tax filing is obligation and they should be doing so. Even on PDF there lots of namonas who say why they should be filing tax returns and get themselves documented but in same breath will be demanding elite to do so.



LOL... Wherever it suites you, you can pull up Islamic, Poor lad hat. Why not start filing and then demand government to fix the problems you are facing while filing returns?

So you saying that this incompetent govt neither has the will nor the capability to fix this oppressive system?

our visionary PM likes quoting ibn Khaldun, Plz ask him to read what ibn khaldun has to say on oppressive taxation and how it leads to unrest and finally revolt.

don't worry, i have been paying my taxes for years without getting any facilities from corrupt govts.

 

[Syed1.]

This is a big LOL, who is the stupid who proposed this?

There are millions of users who have mobile phone connections who don't fall under the tax net due to low income. ----

In most countries of the world everybody above a certain age has to file taxes doesn't matter if they work or not, student or housewife, high income or low income.

 

[AZ1]

In most countries of the world everybody above a certain age has to file taxes doesn't matter if they work or not, student or housewife, high income or low income.

They are getting return and they have strict law not bribing. We can't even took money back from nawaz and zardari and this is going after poor man.

 

[Sugarcane]

So you saying that this incompetent govt neither has the will nor the capability to fix this oppressive system?

our visionary PM likes quoting ibn Khaldun, Plz ask him to read what ibn khaldun has to say on oppressive taxation and how it leads to unrest and finally revolt.

don't worry, i have been paying my taxes for years without getting any facilities from corrupt govts.

If you are really paying your due taxes then why you aren't filing returns, why you're afraid of filling one page form?

 

[AZ1]

If you are really paying your due taxes then why you aren't filing returns, why you're afraid of filling one page form?

Why don't you make a video or something to show how to do it?

 

[shah_123]

If you are really paying your due taxes then why you aren't filing returns, why you're afraid of filling one page form?

Don't you worry, I am regularly filing 1+ pages of tax return. ( don't know from where you got the impression I don't).

The point is, what is the govt doing abt ruling+ rich elite and mafias not filing returns.--- what are they doing abt the corrupt fbr.--- what have they done to stop abuse of tax money and ending up in the pockets of ruling elite.--- and finally, what facilities the govts have given me to date.

 

[Sugarcane]

Why don't you make a video or something to show how to do it?

Videos are available already, it's very simple one page form now to fill for salaried and low income people. I will try to make video when I will file return for 2018-19. All you have to do is create your ID on iris website, then for first time (of later whenever needed) fill and submit Form 181 to update your personal information.

And every year, you have to fill Form 114(1) - FBR have created three formats to make it easy, select one which is more suitable as per your source of income and Form 116(2) to declare your assets. For first year you have to spend some time to add your Bank accounts and assets/properties, later on information will be automatically fill - all you have to do is make necessary changes for the year and click submit.

Don't you worry, I am regularly filing 1+ pages of tax return. ( don't know from where you got the impression I don't).

The point is, what is the govt doing abt ruling+ rich elite and mafias not filing returns.--- what are they doing abt the corrupt fbr.--- what have they done to stop abuse of tax money and ending up in the pockets of ruling elite.--- and finally, what facilities the govts have given me to date.

It's simple, I haven't seen anyone who himself is giving tax and filing returns voluntarily is dumb enough to criticize the proposed steps to punish non-filers. Salaried persons give tax because they don't have choice, all others try to evade fully or give minimal tax to get away, that's fact. But that doesn't mean everyone is like this, I have seen people who do honestly voluntarily give tax. Fact is that I started filing returns because of an uneducated person running small shop in our street. At that time, tax filing was manual papers - he asked me to help him fill the return. When I said, "You have small shop in street and your tax is very little, you don't need to do this as government will not come after you". His reply was, "Yaar tum tu parhay likhay ho, tum ko tu aisi baat nahi karni chahiay balkay hum jaisay unparh logon se zaida imandar hona chahiay". Those words, I still remember because he made me totally speechless. I have promised myself to do my part in paying taxes and filing returns from that day, and always have asked others to do so. At, personal level that's what I can do other than criticizing governments as time pass.

 

[shah_123]

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Low income doesn't mean you shouldn't file tax return (although it's not mandatory as per current law). I file tax returns of my Wife who is housewife.

Okay here's a suggestion, send this to Imran Khan (if he has the courage to take on the elitists)-- As most of our women are housewives and we are mostly a family oriented system.
Instead of individual filing, make mandatory a family filing, means whatever assets are in our women's or other dependants name will be filed by the head of the family.

I can assure you that common citizens will have no issues with this, the bureaucracy + ruling elite ain't gonna like this.

 

[Sugarcane]

Okay here's a suggestion, send this to Imran Khan (if he has the courage to take on the elitists)-- As most of our women are housewives and we are mostly a family oriented system.
Instead of individual filing, make mandatory a family filing, means whatever assets are in our women's or other dependants name will be filed by the head of the family.

I can assure you that common citizens will have no issues with this, the bureaucracy + ruling elite ain't gonna like this.

You may forward your suggestion to IK or relevant authorities to make filing for wife and dependent adults who don't earn easy. But it's strange that being head of family, you can't do few clicks for your wife.

If I had access to IK than I would have rather asked him to link existing data with return filing so that I wouldn't have ask banks to provide me balances as of 30th June, or details of my withholding tax deducted, or taxes deposited. These things should come automatically by linking data which state already have. And for poor and uneducated class, provide way to help them in filing returns.