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The al khalid is not as great as you think it to be. Assume the tank is hit by enemy fire. The al khalid would fry the crew inside. This was something my colleague told me once. Please excuse my poor english.

Tell your "colleague" to change his views.

This destroyed tank is Al Zarrar , it took one IED and Multiple RPG hits in Buner NO SOLDIER was Fried ! -- Al Khalid has much better Protection than this.

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Hell AK is packin VATRA-1 plus NBC,ERA,Jammers etc....
Go through the specs of AK....... Its a tank belonging to 3+ gen..
 
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Tell your "colleague" to change his views.

This destroyed tank is Al Zarrar , it took one IED and Multiple RPG hits in Buner NO SOLDIER was Fried ! -- Al Khalid has much better Protection than this.

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heck i even herd after IED and RPG hits the tank turret was still operational and fire suppression sys worked wonders ...
 
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the turrets in these kinda tanks are very rectangular.....the merakva has a very sleek turret...any specific reason for this?
 
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Tell your "colleague" to change his views.

This destroyed tank is Al Zarrar , it took one IED and Multiple RPG hits in Buner NO SOLDIER was Fried ! -- Al Khalid has much better Protection than this.

Pakistan_Military_Oversees_Popul-51040.largeslideshow.jpg

Why is the word colleague in quotes? As i mentioned earlier, i have no first hand information on the tank. Just thought id mention it.
 
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Pakistan's doctrine is called the Riposte, which is basically an offensive-defensive doctrine. I remember that General Mirza Aslam Beg gave a good outline of this strategy back in 1997. Basically, Pakistan knows that India's offensive capabilities have substantially increased, and a static defence like in 1965 or 1971 would no longer be effective. So, the PA seeks to maintain strategic initiative by launching limited offensives into Indian territory as a means of tying down Indian forces, rather than sitting and waiting for an Indian offensive(s). By containing combat on the Indian side of the border, the PA hopes to reduce collateral damage, keep Indian forces dispersed, and secure territory of strategic importance for use in post-war negotiations. The spearhead of this strategy would be the 1st Armored Division in Multan.

What makes you think Pakistan is stuck with the same strategy, what Gen Beg said was in 1997 and this is 2011. PA can launch an offensive operation in the Indian territory where they feel that the defence is weak and they are confident of overwhelming the defence, but overall i doubt it Pakistan will launch an operation inside Indian territory. I make this statement based on looking at the current balance of power in South Asia right now. Also anything less than destruction of a huge chunk of Pakistani forces would be considered a defeat for India, thus IA would need to accomplish a victory that would be politically acceptable. Pakistan's doctrine is changing as the PA is striving to become more mobile to deal with the Cold Start Doctrine.

Interestingly, India's Cold Start doctrine seeks to accomplish similar objectives, and it may render the Riposte obsolete. The Riposte was developed primarily as a counter to the "total war" Sundarjee Doctrine, which basically aimed to fully mobilize India's three strike corps and cut Pakistan in half via powerful mechanized offensives with heavy air support. This doctrine was tested in Operation Brasstacks back in the 80s. I have not heard of any new doctrine (on paper or otherwise) that PA is developing as a counter to Cold Start.

Looking at the current manoeuvres and exercises PA has been involved in, its quite clear that PA has developed a strategy to counter the CS threat. PA is adding more mechanized assets to its inventory to beat the Indian IBG's to the border if war breaks out, mechanized assets would be absolutely essential to taming the Indian IBG's. The recent synergy achieved between PA and PAF has been absolutely wonderful, they are conducting exercises togather and are involved in live operations in FATA. While on the Indian side there is no evidence of IA and IAF talking to each other as both sides want the glory.

Gen Sunderjee's doctrine is outdated due to both nations possessing nuclear weapons, if India succeeds in breaking through and reaching the N5 highway, you have already crossed the nuclear threshold which is unacceptable to India. Thus, India has come up with this new doctrine to punish Pakistan without crossing the nuclear threshold. The only problem is the doctrine is severely flawed because the Indian armour can never beat our light mechanized divisions to the border because they are faster. To effectively punish Pakistan India's IBG's would have to reach deep inside Pakistan and engage and destroy a huge chunk of Pakistan's Armour. Good objective but odds are not in favour of India due to the conditions of the subcontinent(canals, soil), how are the Indians going to react when attrition kicks in as they start taking punishment from infantry whom are sniping Indian Armour with their ATGM's. By the time Indians advance deep enough, PA will know exactly where you are and they decide to engage you with their freshly reinforced Armour against your IBG's whom are exhausted.

At present, Pakistan's armored forces are primarily deployed as offensive weapons, which is perhaps how tanks are best deployed as. Similarly, India's T-90 and T-72 fleets are also deployed as offensive weapons. The notable exception is the Arjun, which I think will be deployed as a defensive weapon. It is important to keep in mind that Cold Start not only seeks to forward deploy armored forces and artillery in IBGs, but to also deploy limited quantites of armor and artillery in India's Pivot Corps. The pivot corps will probably be the ones dealing with any limited PA offensives, while the IBGs launch the main operational maneuvers. I think the Arjun will fill this niche, and become India's defensive tank for the pivot corps.

Indeed, PA's Armour is more offensive oriented but they can engage the IA armour on their own choosing of place. To take your artillery forward you would need to advance first deep enough and set it up, which takes time compared to PA's artillery which is already set up whether towed or SP artillery which can quickly advance and start hitting your IBG's. Dont forget that PA is also adding the A100 in huge numbers, thus your amassing IBG's on the border will take severe beating. If you look at the conflict in more depth, Indian victory seems quite far fetched as a complete Indian victory would likely cross the nuclear threshold which India desperately wants to avoid. In a long static war what Gen Sunderji envisioned, India would succeed due to her superior resources but with Pakistan possessing nuclear weapons now, a long war is exactly what India is avoiding. As the Indian move towards CS manoeuvres, PA would likely invite you in and try to destroy your Armour in our territory which is going to be a victory for Pakistan.
 
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What makes you think Pakistan is stuck with the same strategy, what Gen Beg said was in 1997 and this is 2011.

Has the PA outlined any new doctrine since 1997? If not, then you and I, and the public in general, will have to assume that the PA's doctrine today is more or less the same as it was in a decade ago. Doctrines are never set in stone, and are constantly changing to meet new challenges, but I doubt the PA's strategy has fundamentally changed. Pakistan is quite limited in what it can do.


PA can launch an offensive operation in the Indian territory where they feel that the defence is weak and they are confident of overwhelming the defence, but overall i doubt it Pakistan will launch an operation inside Indian territory. I make this statement based on looking at the current balance of power in South Asia right now. Also anything less than destruction of a huge chunk of Pakistani forces would be considered a defeat for India, thus IA would need to accomplish a victory that would be politically acceptable. Pakistan's doctrine is changing as the PA is striving to become more mobile to deal with the Cold Start Doctrine.

Let me a tell you a basic rule of warfare. If your enemy is fast and mobile, you don't sit and wait for him to attack you. You need to move yourself, and try to outmatch your enemy in terms of operational maneuverability. For a good historical example, look at the Wehrmacht's blitzkrieg during Barbarossa and how the Soviets adapted their Deep Battle doctrine to beat the Wehrmacht's mobility. Granted, Pakistan and India are a different case than Nazi Germany and the USSR, but the fundamental rules of warfare remain the same.



Looking at the current manoeuvres and exercises PA has been involved in, its quite clear that PA has developed a strategy to counter the CS threat. PA is adding more mechanized assets to its inventory to beat the Indian IBG's to the border if war breaks out, mechanized assets would be absolutely essential to taming the Indian IBG's.

Fast mobilization has always been central to Pakistan's defence strategy, even before Cold Start. The success of Riposte was/is dependent on Pakistan readying their forces for limited offensives before India's strike corps were ready.


The recent synergy achieved between PA and PAF has been absolutely wonderful, they are conducting exercises togather and are involved in live operations in FATA. While on the Indian side there is no evidence of IA and IAF talking to each other as both sides want the glory.


First of all, there are inter-service rivalries in every armed force, including Pakistan's.

Secondly, the IA and IAF and demonstrated their coordination in several exercises, including Operation Sanghe Sakhti. I think the size of forces that we saw in Sanghe Sakhti would be roughly equivalent to one IBG.


Gen Sunderjee's doctrine is outdated due to both nations possessing nuclear weapons, if India succeeds in breaking through and reaching the N5 highway, you have already crossed the nuclear threshold which is unacceptable to India. Thus, India has come up with this new doctrine to punish Pakistan without crossing the nuclear threshold.


Cold Start has the built-in flexibility to revert to the Sunderjee Doctrine if the situation demands. If Pakistan, for whatever reason, uses nuclear/unconventional weapons, India will abandon its limited CS objectives and seek to achieve total victory (i.e. the destruction of Pakistan as a state).


The only problem is the doctrine is severely flawed because the Indian armour can never beat our light mechanized divisions to the border because they are faster.

India is aiming for a mobilization time of 48-72 hours, which is as fast as the PA can hope to get. India has a huge fleet of transport aircraft that can airdrop large formations behind enemy lines; this was one of the capabilities that was tested in the many wargames after 2004. Pakistan only has a handful of transport a/c.


To effectively punish Pakistan India's IBG's would have to reach deep inside Pakistan and engage and destroy a huge chunk of Pakistan's Armour. Good objective but odds are not in favour of India due to the conditions of the subcontinent(canals, soil)

Cold Start will most likely take place in the Rajasthan-Sindh sectors, where conditions favor mechanized operations. I don't expect Indian forces to make much headway in the Punjab sectors, where canals, muddy soil, and ditch-cum-bunds make mechanized operations more difficult. Also, air interdiction will play a huge role in the overall Indian strategy.


how are the Indians going to react when attrition kicks in as they start taking punishment from infantry whom are sniping Indian Armour with their ATGM's. By the time Indians advance deep enough, PA will know exactly where you are and they decide to engage you with their freshly reinforced Armour against your IBG's whom are exhausted.

Obviously, the whole point of Cold Start is to end the war as quickly as possible, before attrition begins. The objective is to destroy a large enough portion of Pakistan's warfighting capability to make a counteroffensive against Indian forces impractical. The objective is NOT to penetrate deep inside Pakistan. I don't expect IA penetration of Pakistan to exceed 50-80 km on any front. Advancing any deeper with just division-sized units would be suicidal.


To take your artillery forward you would need to advance first deep enough and set it up, which takes time compared to PA's artillery which is already set up whether towed or SP artillery which can quickly advance and start hitting your IBG's.

Yes, this is the only area where the IA currently lacks. We don't have enough SP artillery to provide our IBGs with organic fire support, so the IA has to currently rely on other means, like CAS aircraft and towed artillery.


Dont forget that PA is also adding the A100 in huge numbers, thus your amassing IBG's on the border will take severe beating.

Don't put too much faith in those A-100s. Pakistan is just getting into the MBRL game, while India has already operated them for many years, and has Pinaka, Smerch, and Grad units in large numbers. In the event of hostilities, your A-100s would be bomarded by counter-battery fire from IA MBRLs. It won't even be a contest, considering the numerical disparity between Indian and Pak MBRLSs.


If you look at the conflict in more depth, Indian victory seems quite far fetched as a complete Indian victory would likely cross the nuclear threshold which India desperately wants to avoid.

Nuclear weapons are tools of diplomacy and politics, not tools of war. Pakistan won't dare use nuclear weapons on Indian forces, considering the limited objectives of Cold Start. All that is left is for the GoI to get the political will to call Pakistan's nuclear bluff. The real challenge is the lack of political will, not the lack of military capabilities.


As the Indian move towards CS manoeuvres, PA would likely invite you in and try to destroy your Armour in our territory which is going to be a victory for Pakistan.

You don't always have to accept invitations, do you?
 
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For all those who feel rather insecure over Pak Army mbt procurement, AK and AK-1 have proved to be dream machines in their class fulfilling all the roles that we needed them to. We have an mbt that we have made, modified, modernised to the AK-1 level which is more than sufficient to counter any threat across the border. Specifications have been discussed to death but let me add some more, AKs have a newly made 125 mm gun based on original Chinese and Ukrainian technologies, they have kept the same caliber but increased internal pressure, metal quality, accuracy and ammunition speed is also increased. This has made AK an even more lethal adversary as it is now able to penetrate heavier ERA unlike what some might think. Let me repeat, its gun is now indigenously developed and not previously license manufactured variant. Also, electronics and automation is significantly increased in both versions, something that many adversary mbts are struggling to get for many years. T-90Ms are only just inducted in the latter part of 2010 and no more than a few batches are inducted which will take some time to become operational in Indian Army. T-90M could have been a real threat IF we didnt have AKs, AK-1s but as of now, it is NOT !!
 
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Has the PA outlined any new doctrine since 1997? If not, then you and I, and the public in general, will have to assume that the PA's doctrine today is more or less the same as it was in a decade ago. Doctrines are never set in stone, and are constantly changing to meet new challenges, but I doubt the PA's strategy has fundamentally changed. Pakistan is quite limited in what it can do.




Let me a tell you a basic rule of warfare. If your enemy is fast and mobile, you don't sit and wait for him to attack you. You need to move yourself, and try to outmatch your enemy in terms of operational maneuverability. For a good historical example, look at the Wehrmacht's blitzkrieg during Barbarossa and how the Soviets adapted their Deep Battle doctrine to beat the Wehrmacht's mobility. Granted, Pakistan and India are a different case than Nazi Germany and the USSR, but the fundamental rules of warfare remain the same.





Fast mobilization has always been central to Pakistan's defence strategy, even before Cold Start. The success of Riposte was/is dependent on Pakistan readying their forces for limited offensives before India's strike corps were ready.





First of all, there are inter-service rivalries in every armed force, including Pakistan's.

Secondly, the IA and IAF and demonstrated their coordination in several exercises, including Operation Sanghe Sakhti. I think the size of forces that we saw in Sanghe Sakhti would be roughly equivalent to one IBG.





Cold Start has the built-in flexibility to revert to the Sunderjee Doctrine if the situation demands. If Pakistan, for whatever reason, uses nuclear/unconventional weapons, India will abandon its limited CS objectives and seek to achieve total victory (i.e. the destruction of Pakistan as a state).




India is aiming for a mobilization time of 48-72 hours, which is as fast as the PA can hope to get. India has a huge fleet of transport aircraft that can airdrop large formations behind enemy lines; this was one of the capabilities that was tested in the many wargames after 2004. Pakistan only has a handful of transport a/c.




Cold Start will most likely take place in the Rajasthan-Sindh sectors, where conditions favor mechanized operations. I don't expect Indian forces to make much headway in the Punjab sectors, where canals, muddy soil, and ditch-cum-bunds make mechanized operations more difficult. Also, air interdiction will play a huge role in the overall Indian strategy.




Obviously, the whole point of Cold Start is to end the war as quickly as possible, before attrition begins. The objective is to destroy a large enough portion of Pakistan's warfighting capability to make a counteroffensive against Indian forces impractical. The objective is NOT to penetrate deep inside Pakistan. I don't expect IA penetration of Pakistan to exceed 50-80 km on any front. Advancing any deeper with just division-sized units would be suicidal.




Yes, this is the only area where the IA currently lacks. We don't have enough SP artillery to provide our IBGs with organic fire support, so the IA has to currently rely on other means, like CAS aircraft and towed artillery.




Don't put too much faith in those A-100s. Pakistan is just getting into the MBRL game, while India has already operated them for many years, and has Pinaka, Smerch, and Grad units in large numbers. In the event of hostilities, your A-100s would be bomarded by counter-battery fire from IA MBRLs. It won't even be a contest, considering the numerical disparity between Indian and Pak MBRLSs.




Nuclear weapons are tools of diplomacy and politics, not tools of war. Pakistan won't dare use nuclear weapons on Indian forces, considering the limited objectives of Cold Start. All that is left is for the GoI to get the political will to call Pakistan's nuclear bluff. The real challenge is the lack of political will, not the lack of military capabilities.




You don't always have to accept invitations, do you?

Keep under estimating us as this will prove to be our first line of attack against your forces !
 
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heck i even herd after IED and RPG hits the tank turret was still operational and fire suppression sys worked wonders ...

A tank's turret is supposed to take a lot of punishment. If it cant withstand a shot from an half-Assed RPG 7 or an IED then we dont even call it a tank.we are talking about KE, HESH and HEAT rounds. If i were firing an RPG towards a tank then i will be taking out the tracks and not aim for the turret. That sounds more logical. Because 2 of the tank's major weapons are its firepower and mobility.....
 
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Has the PA outlined any new doctrine since 1997? If not, then you and I, and the public in general, will have to assume that the PA's doctrine today is more or less the same as it was in a decade ago. Doctrines are never set in stone, and are constantly changing to meet new challenges, but I doubt the PA's strategy has fundamentally changed. Pakistan is quite limited in what it can do.

PA has not outlined it but the manoeuvres it is practicing speak for themselves. I agree unless we dont hear anything concrete from PA, all we can do is speculate but PA is a very secretive organization thus it will never release any info to the press.

Let me a tell you a basic rule of warfare. If your enemy is fast and mobile, you don't sit and wait for him to attack you. You need to move yourself, and try to outmatch your enemy in terms of operational maneuverability. For a good historical example, look at the Wehrmacht's blitzkrieg during Barbarossa and how the Soviets adapted their Deep Battle doctrine to beat the Wehrmacht's mobility. Granted, Pakistan and India are a different case than Nazi Germany and the USSR, but the fundamental rules of warfare remain the same.

You need to know what the objectives of your enemy are and than make your play. PA needs mobility which it has but it needs to engage the enemy in such a way where it feels it can emerge as the victor.

Fast mobilization has always been central to Pakistan's defence strategy, even before Cold Start. The success of Riposte was/is dependent on Pakistan readying their forces for limited offensives before India's strike corps were ready.

With India going for a Cold Start Doctrine, my guess is that the objective will change into halting the advance of the Indian IBG's and engage/destroy them. PA can open a front but that would be to relieve pressure elsewhere if they feel they are overwhelmed at a particular spot and cannot rush in reinforcements in due time to relieve the pressure.

First of all, there are inter-service rivalries in every armed force, including Pakistan's.

Secondly, the IA and IAF and demonstrated their coordination in several exercises, including Operation Sanghe Sakhti. I think the size of forces that we saw in Sanghe Sakhti would be roughly equivalent to one IBG.

No doubt there are inter services rivalry among every Armed Forces but i can safely say that during the current tenure of our current COAS and CAS, this has been reduced down to minimal. Compare the synergy IAF and IA has achieved with just one IBG in one exercise as compared to PA and PAF that have been conducting several exercises in the past 2 years. Most importantly, both these departments are fighting a live war and officers on the front line are coordinating attacks with each other. They are battle hardened and have live experience, their is no substitute for experience.

Cold Start has the built-in flexibility to revert to the Sunderjee Doctrine if the situation demands. If Pakistan, for whatever reason, uses nuclear/unconventional weapons, India will abandon its limited CS objectives and seek to achieve total victory (i.e. the destruction of Pakistan as a state).

Pakistan will resort to nuclear weapons if it feels its existence is threatened, that being India cutting up Pakistan into two and advancing towards Karachi and Islamabad. If Pakistan does choose to exercise this option, it will be the destruction of both India/Pakistan as both nations possess enough weapons to annihilate each other.

India is aiming for a mobilization time of 48-72 hours, which is as fast as the PA can hope to get. India has a huge fleet of transport aircraft that can airdrop large formations behind enemy lines; this was one of the capabilities that was tested in the many wargames after 2004. Pakistan only has a handful of transport a/c.

You can try to mobilize as fast as you can but you can never beat PA's light forces to the border. Tanks need maintenance and are slow, they take time to mobilize and that is why they can never beat our light forces to the border. As soon as India starts mobilizing, you can count on PA to start also mobilizing its Armour too.
Air drop infantry against mechanized and armoured forces :what:, this is something i would love to see as the PA would have a field day against these poor souls. Regardless, at max India can drop a couple of battalions and to drop this you would need complete air superiority. Do you honestly think IAF can achieve complete air superiority against PAF in the initial 48-72 hours, NO CHANCE. Your fleet of transport aircrafts is more geared towards giving you mobility against the Chinese in the harsh terrain your forces are pitted against the Chinese, they are not aimed at Pakistan.

Cold Start will most likely take place in the Rajasthan-Sindh sectors, where conditions favor mechanized operations. I don't expect Indian forces to make much headway in the Punjab sectors, where canals, muddy soil, and ditch-cum-bunds make mechanized operations more difficult. Also, air interdiction will play a huge role in the overall Indian strategy.

No doubt but i believe you will see some duals being fought in Punjab and the Kashmir sector.

Obviously, the whole point of Cold Start is to end the war as quickly as possible, before attrition begins. The objective is to destroy a large enough portion of Pakistan's warfighting capability to make a counteroffensive against Indian forces impractical. The objective is NOT to penetrate deep inside Pakistan. I don't expect IA penetration of Pakistan to exceed 50-80 km on any front. Advancing any deeper with just division-sized units would be suicidal.

The attrition will kick in as soon as your IBG's start massing or crossing the border. Every inch your IBG's advance, they will take punishment from PA's defenders whom are well dug in and they will do their best to snipe your armour with their ATMG's. For argument sakes the Indians advance in 50 km after taking severe punishment from our defenders, THAN WHAT? Are your IBG's just going to sit there and do nothing. To keep your IBG's active you would need to keep them supplied with huge quantities of supplies because tanks are expensive and require fuel. By the time your IBG's halt and let your supply trucks catch up that is assuming PA does not outflank them and target your supply trucks, PA will know exactly where you are. Chances would be heavily in favour of PA when their fresh Armour engages your exhausted IBG's. Also what makes you think the PA wont try to encircle and isolate your IBG's once they are deep inside Pakistan. Odds are certainly not in favour of India if you ask me as they would be fighting flanking and encirclement battles.

Yes, this is the only area where the IA currently lacks. We don't have enough SP artillery to provide our IBGs with organic fire support, so the IA has to currently rely on other means, like CAS aircraft and towed artillery.

CAS aircraft require air superiority which i doubt IAF will achieve compared to Pakistan whom i believe has advantage against India in the artillery department.

Don't put too much faith in those A-100s. Pakistan is just getting into the MBRL game, while India has already operated them for many years, and has Pinaka, Smerch, and Grad units in large numbers. In the event of hostilities, your A-100s would be bomarded by counter-battery fire from IA MBRLs. It won't even be a contest, considering the numerical disparity between Indian and Pak MBRLSs.

Actually for the defending side, MBRLS are a wonderful asset and PA would love pounding the Indians with it. Pakistan is not late to the MBRLS game, we produce MBRLS domestically but they are not as good as the A100's. If you ask me the greatest threat Pakistan faced was from the Smerch, the introduction of A100 cancels it out. For Indians to use the Smerch, they would need to expose it to the A100's and PA would be fielding them in large numbers. Pakistan will be producing the A100's domestically, this means that the numbers will be in triple digits.

Nuclear weapons are tools of diplomacy and politics, not tools of war. Pakistan won't dare use nuclear weapons on Indian forces, considering the limited objectives of Cold Start. All that is left is for the GoI to get the political will to call Pakistan's nuclear bluff. The real challenge is the lack of political will, not the lack of military capabilities.

Indeed, if India only uses the CS than i doubt Pakistan would exercise its nuclear option because the chances of Indian victory are quite small.

You don't always have to accept invitations, do you?

In order to fulfil the objectives of the CS, you do need to accept the invitation.
 
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Hi, I wanted to mention that there were cases of M1A2 Abrams tanks being taken out by IEDs and or RPG-7s in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Yes, ERA armour gives an additional level of protection to a turret, but it is not 100%. As such, if an Al-Zarrar was destroyed by these tools, it does not surprise me.
 
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The al khalid is not as great as you think it to be. Assume the tank is hit by enemy fire. The al khalid would fry the crew inside. This was something my colleague told me once. Please excuse my poor english.

Do you think that the crew of a Leopard won't fry if it is hit by a missile? I doubt it. All tanks turn into an inferno when they take direct hits.
 
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The Al-zarrar in above pic was hit from four sides with RPGs simultaneously and sustained 6 RPG shots and yet the crew survived. This efficiency is highly appreciated by tank crew and has gained increased level of confidence. Remember, it is basically a hugely rebuilt type-59 and this performance is more than impressive. The tank was sent back to HIT for repairs and is now in active service AGAIN. I can imagine what level of protection will AK give to its crew!
 
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A tank's turret is supposed to take a lot of punishment. If it cant withstand a shot from an half-Assed RPG 7 or an IED then we dont even call it a tank.we are talking about KE, HESH and HEAT rounds. If i were firing an RPG towards a tank then i will be taking out the tracks and not aim for the turret. That sounds more logical. Because 2 of the tank's major weapons are its firepower and mobility.....

well friend a half assed RPG would have torn through t59 turret and an ied would have blown it apart since i can only confirm rpg and IED hits ill say this tank have came a long way frm original design abt tank rounds there may be tests done in labs but i dont have any source abt that
 
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