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New report shows gruesome extent of CIA torture program, how spy agency hid evidence

WASHINGTON (Web Desk) – The CIA has released 50 new documents relating to its post-9/11 torture and rendition program, making waves of shock across the world over the methods of interrogation at its detention facilities.

The documents, released in response to an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, vividly depict the brutality of torture, and further expose the fiction that this abuse is a scientific method for extracting information from victims.

The documents also reveal how hard the CIA worked to bury the evidence of its crimes – including by seeking to silence its victims.

The documents show CIA pressure to “break” detainees was deadly. A newly released CIA inspector general report about the death of detainee Gul Rahman concluded that he was singled out for especially harsh torture because of “pressure” to “break him.”

The ACLU notes that Rahman was kept nude or in a diaper for most of his detention, “solely for humiliation.” When they ran out of diapers, the guards would use “a handcrafted diaper secured by duct tape.”

CIA torturers kept Rahman naked in “cold conditions with minimal food or sleep” and kept questioning him even when he “appeared incoherent.” When they decided he wasn’t sufficiently “broken,” CIA personnel brutalized, starved, and froze him to death – and then lied about it.

Based on pseudoscientific theories of torture and “resistance,” they assessed Rahman to have a “sophisticated level of resistance training,” because – among other reasons – he “complained about poor treatment” and said he couldn’t “think due to conditions (cold).”

No one has yet been held accountable for Gul Rahman’s death, but the ACLU represents Mr. Rahman’s family in suing Jensen and James Mitchell, the other psychologist who collaborated with the CIA in designing and overseeing the torture program.

The CIA’s rush to use the most brutal techniques on prisoners it decided were “resistant.” According to the CIA inspector general report, the CIA in fact “accelerated” the use of waterboarding because “it was considered by some in Agency management to be the ‘silver bullet.”

The CIA would “rapidly escalate” to the waterboard based on its flawed belief that if a prisoner couldn’t provide new information, he must be withholding. Under the CIA’s logic, the less a detainee had to say, the more he would be tortured because “analysts are reluctant to agree that a detainee is not employing resistance techniques.”

More details about the extent to which the CIA was willing to go try and keep its crimes secret. Newly disclosed sections of the inspector general report reveal that “a particular concern for senior Agency managers is the long-term disposition of detainees who have undergone” torture.

They were “loath to send CIA detainees” who had been tortured “to detention facilities where they would be available to the ICRC [the International Committee for the Red Cross].”

In document after document, CIA employees made clear that they wanted a guarantee that their victims would never – for the rest of their lives – have a chance to tell their stories.

The documents also reveal why the CIA was so obsessed with secrecy: As everyone knew, the torture program could never withstand legal scrutiny. That is why the CIA discussed seeking an extraordinary “get out of jail free card” – an advance promise from the attorney general not to prosecute its agents for their crimes.”

This new cache of documents fills in the picture of one of our darkest hours. Today, when loud voices call for a return to brutal and unlawful torture methods, it’s more important than ever that we have access to the full story of CIA torture.

These documents, which the CIA suppressed for years, show just how horrific the torture program was, and how shameful it is that none of the perpetrators have yet been held accountable for their crimes.
http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/worl...-torture-program-how-spy-agency-hid-evidence/
 
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So that's out in the open now. Good there is such as thing as FOIA and people employing it with effect.
 
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So that's out in the open now. Good there is such as thing as FOIA and people employing it with effect.


Unfortunately,torture is needed to get information.This is the case for thousands of years.As much as we hate it,it's a tool we can't do without.

It is best we look away and let Intelligence agencies do their job.
 
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Unfortunately,torture is needed to get information.This is the case for thousands of years.As much as we hate it,it's a tool we can't do without.

It is best we look away and let Intelligence agencies do their job.
Well, I think the whole point of those and other documents is that it doesn't.

Torture is not a reliable method of good information. Why not? Simply because everyone will eventually succumb to torture, and the victim will simply tell the inquisitor whatever he or she thinks the inquisitor wants to hear, just to make the torture stop. Suspects confess to crimes they haven't committed, and terrorists provide information that may or may not be factual. Possibly the most terrifying use of torture is when the victim simply doesn't have the information the inquisitor wants, but the questions (and torture) go on anyway. As was illustrated above.

Torture may 'work' only if your intent is to obtain - temporary - compliance from your victim, e.g. getting a confessions, with the caveat that you will likely make a lifelong, implacable, and probably dangerous enemy. (i.e. you simply terrorize rather than question your victim). Evil begets evil.
 
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Torture is not a reliable method of good information. Why not? Simply because everyone will eventually succumb to torture, and the victim will simply tell the inquisitor whatever he or she thinks the inquisitor wants to hear, just to make the torture stop. Suspects confess to crimes they haven't committed, and terrorists provide information that may or may not be factual. Possibly the most terrifying use of torture is when the victim simply doesn't have the information the inquisitor wants, but the questions (and torture) go on anyway. As was illustrated above

That is a belief born out of ideology ,and like all post-WWII European beliefs/ideologies, it is dead wrong.

This belief of "torture never works" hinges on some mythical superhuman who has infinite mental strength to resist torture and would never break. And this "people would tell what you want to hear" is a complete red-herring. This problem of enemy sending you on a wild goose chase is a recurrent problem with every kind of information, whether attained by torture or otherwise. Torture ,when applied in conjugation with inducements, is best method to get time sensitive information, until a truth serum is developed.
 
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Apparently this clown hasn't heard about the common household equipment used to control/reduce temperature in hot climates, invented in 1902, call "Air conditioner" or "A/C" for short

hmmm...freezing in Cuba...I guess it could happen...but usually:

https://weatherspark.com/averages/32672/Guantanamo-Bay-Guantanamo-Cuba

"Tool" only when used by west, violation of civil rights when used by others.......fucking hypocrites

Unfortunately,torture is needed to get information.This is the case for thousands of years.As much as we hate it,it's a tool we can't do without.

It is best we look away and let Intelligence agencies do their job.
 
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That is a belief born out of ideology ,and like all post-WWII European beliefs/ideologies, it is dead wrong.
I don't mind if you disagree. I do mind you immediately makes this an Europe-Asia thing, for which there is no support given (i.e. you don't show how ideas on this differ fundamentally by continent).

This belief of "torture never works" hinges on some mythical superhuman who has infinite mental strength to resist torture and would never break. And this "people would tell what you want to hear" is a complete red-herring. This problem of enemy sending you on a wild goose chase is a recurrent problem with every kind of information, whether attained by torture or otherwise. Torture ,when applied in conjugation with inducements, is best method to get time sensitive information, until a truth serum is developed.

Disregarding sodium-pentothal etc, let me first say I at no point suggested there are people who never break and that torture therefor doesn't work. Quite the contrary. I also did not say a victim sends an interrogator on a wild goose chase. I merely point out that obtaining compliance is fundamentally different in nature from obtaining usefull, reliable information. There have been ample examples in history of people under torture confessing to be part of some complot and denouncing a whole range of innocent people. If that was the intent of the torture, then it is succesful. If the intention was to get good intel, then it wasn't (obviously).

Finally, would it be correct to conclude that, from your perpespective, there is no problem whatsoever with the CIA program that the above mentioned documents in post 1 refer to?

"Tool" only when used by west, violation of civil rights when used by others.......fucking hypocrites
How nice of you to lump all us westerners together. Very sophisticated thinking.
 
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I don't mind if you disagree. I do mind you immediately makes this an Europe-Asia thing, for which there is no support given (i.e. you don't show how ideas on this differ fundamentally by continent).

I did not make it an Asia-Europe thing immediately. That was not even my intention. What I made was an observation, and a completely honest one at that. Western education institutions have been take over by cultural marxists, and for past fifty years, every ideology that has came out from them is a grotesque society destroying one. There has never been a more socially harmful ideology in history than third wave feminism, a cult of "man hating" banshees bent on destroying relation between sexes and concept of family; or concepts of Safe space ,which by insulating people from anything which may even mildly discomfort them, make very point of education ,useless; or rise of social justice warriors, a species more painful and irritating than second degree burn; or nanny state which is more degrading for character of a nation than even drug addiction; or the stalin-esq censure in most universities of west; or trying to divide society on as many number of faultlines they could (ask any American member about race relations before and after "black lives matter" movement.Whether they were better before or afterwards).


The "torture never works" paradigm comes from same school of thought as the above monstrosities. Thus the observation that like nearly every ideology that has came from west in past 50 years, it too is wrong. Torture works, and it works perfectly well especially when stake for person who is resisting torture is high and there is also some inducements/benefits for him if he cooperate, and is the only reliable method of extracting time sensitive information. You could go the way of winning heart and minds approach, but it would take months for that strategy to yield result.


And for the reason why I am concerned with this: For starters, I do not wish the fate ,that would be end product of cultural marxism, even on my enemies, let along total strangers. Second, cultural marxism is like a religion. It would not stop inside Europe's border and has not stopped. It is trying to do what it did to Europe in India too, and its favorite weapons here in India are funding, control over media, and providing tenure to rabid leftists in western universities. The reason why it is less successful in India than in west is because in India ,internet (which could not be controlled with ease) became popular before cable news could become big enough to brainwash population.


Disregarding sodium-pentothal etc,

Does not work satisfactorily. And there is a very high overlap in people who resist effect of Sodium-Pentothal and who resist torture for very long time.


let me first say I at no point suggested there are people who never break and that torture therefor doesn't work. Quite the contrary. I also did not say a victim sends an interrogator on a wild goose chase. I merely point out that obtaining compliance is fundamentally different in nature from obtaining usefull, reliable information. There have been ample examples in history of people under torture confessing to be part of some complot and denouncing a whole range of innocent people. If that was the intent of the torture, then it is succesful. If the intention was to get good intel, then it wasn't (obviously).

Again, a red herring.

A person under torture could denounce an innocent person, but so could a person who has not been tortured. You need to follow up on information provided ,and SOP for follow up should and would be same whether that information is attained under torture or willfully provided.


Finally, would it be correct to conclude that, from your perpespective, there is no problem whatsoever with the CIA program that the above mentioned documents in post 1 refer to?


I have no problem with CIA torturing Jihadis. Why would I when I have no problem with concept of torture?

Though one should always know what kind of torture would work on whom. On a jihadi, force feeding pork to him, flushing his koran down the toilet, forcing him to stand nude in from to women with them insulting him, using dogs onto him, and threatening to kill him and feed his body part to pigs would be much more useful than beating.
 
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Apparently this clown hasn't heard about the common household equipment used to control/reduce temperature in hot climates, invented in 1902, call "Air conditioner" or "A/C" for short

Then I think it would be more related to refrigeration than air conditioning. Refrigeration was invented way before the invention of A/C.
 
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Torture away, by all means. If its terrorist scum all options on the table.

What I find absurd is the American trumpeting of human rights violations by other countries and acting like the moral high horse is still theirs to ride and talk down from.
 
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I did not make it an Asia-Europe thing immediately. That was not even my intention.

"That is a belief born out of ideology ,and like all post-WWII European beliefs/ideologies, it is dead wrong." is quite unequivocal.

What I made was an observation, and a completely honest one at that.
i.e. your opinion.

Western education institutions have been take over by cultural marxists, and for past fifty years, every ideology that has came out from them is a grotesque society destroying one. There has never been a more socially harmful ideology in history than third wave feminism, a cult of "man hating" banshees bent on destroying relation between sexes and concept of family; or concepts of Safe space ,which by insulating people from anything which may even mildly discomfort them, make very point of education ,useless; or rise of social justice warriors, a species more painful and irritating than second degree burn; or nanny state which is more degrading for character of a nation than even drug addiction; or the stalin-esq censure in most universities of west; or trying to divide society on as many number of faultlines they could (ask any American member about race relations before and after "black lives matter" movement.Whether they were better before or afterwards).
Rant. Relevance?


The "torture never works" paradigm comes from same school of thought as the above monstrosities. Thus the observation that like nearly every ideology that has came from west in past 50 years, it too is wrong. Torture works, and it works perfectly well especially when stake for person who is resisting torture is high and there is also some inducements/benefits for him if he cooperate, and is the only reliable method of extracting time sensitive information. You could go the way of winning heart and minds approach, but it would take months for that strategy to yield result.
You're all for torture then.


And for the reason why I am concerned with this: For starters, I do not wish the fate ,that would be end product of cultural marxism, even on my enemies, let along total strangers. Second, cultural marxism is like a religion. It would not stop inside Europe's border and has not stopped. It is trying to do what it did to Europe in India too, and its favorite weapons here in India are funding, control over media, and providing tenure to rabid leftists in western universities. The reason why it is less successful in India than in west is because in India ,internet (which could not be controlled with ease) became popular before cable news could become big enough to brainwash population.
When's the last time you attented or visited a 'western university'? How many have you 'sampled' out of the total population? Are they all the same, you think? Statistically speaking, what do you think the odds of that are?

i.e. rant.

Does not work satisfactorily. And there is a very high overlap in people who resist effect of Sodium-Pentothal and who resist torture for very long time.
Neither does a broomstick up the rear. Is it not used therefor?

Again, a red herring.
Easy out, not a real answer.

A person under torture could denounce an innocent person, but so could a person who has not been tortured. You need to follow up on information provided ,and SOP for follow up should and would be same whether that information is attained under torture or willfully provided.
Skirting the issue of intent of the torturer.


I have no problem with CIA torturing Jihadis. Why would I when I have no problem with concept of torture?
Just to clarify your position.

Though one should always know what kind of torture would work on whom. On a jihadi, force feeding pork to him, flushing his koran down the toilet, forcing him to stand nude in from to women with them insulting him, using dogs onto him, and threatening to kill him and feed his body part to pigs would be much more useful than beating.
Have fun.

Good day.

Torture away, by all means. If its terrorist scum all options on the table.

What I find absurd is the American trumpeting of human rights violations by other countries and acting like the moral high horse is still theirs to ride and talk down from.

So, no complaints about the CIA program here either.
Luckily there is a ready other issue on which to condemn the USA

Have a nice day
 
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