New Mosque Design for Ayodhya

[masterchief_mirza]

so hindus don't have right to get their places of worship because they lost ramjanmbhumi 400 years ago , kashi mathura 250 years ago ?

so don't cry then .keep your pagan theory to yourself in pakistan whete hindus are helpless . let the hindus of indis do what their religion tells them . they don't care what pakistani muslims think .

Did India declare itself a secular state or not in 1947? You cannot have it both ways. You can in theory be a nutcase Hindu talibanistan if you wish, but declare it openly please so Indian Muslims know they will have to fight with guns for the right to their heritage in the Hindu rashtra.

will you return hagia sophia to Christians ? will you return jews temple to israelis ?

Hagia Sophia was taken in 1453. Al-Aqsa before that. Did you read ANY of what I wrote?

 

[xeuss]

let me ask you again more specifically. does Indian Muslim accepts your version of Islamic history of India?

We give the middle finger to them and their versions

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Indian Muslims have every right to their medieval legacy as much as your lot do. They're not second class citizens who need to beg Hindus for approval in case their architecture offends fragile Hindu egos. Look at the state of this new proposed mosque design - is it a mosque or some hipster greenhouse?? A vegetable garden?? To appease Hindus of course.

It's worth remembering Indian Muslims aren't guests in India, such as say a case could be made (debatably) for UK Muslims. Indian Muslims earned their rights in the subcontinent through conquest and centuries long rule. It's ridiculous that these folks who built your country are being eradicated slowly but surely.

 

[GHALIB]

Did India declare itself a secular state or not in 1947? You cannot have it both ways. You can in theory be a nutcase Hindu talibanistan if you wish, but declare it openly please so Indian Muslims know they will have to fight with guns for the right to their heritage in the Hindu rashtra.

lol
secularism tells you to forget your places of worship demolished by tyrants ?

 

[hussain0216]

so don't cry then .keep your pagan theory to yourself in pakistan whete hindus are helpless . let the hindus of indis do what their religion tells them . they don't care what pakistani muslims think .

That's the point of partition

It's what we were saying right from the beginning

India is no state for Indian Muslims or even other minorities

A hindutva extremist communal shithole is emerging and the Indian Muslims and minorities made a mistake in 1947 and now need Partition

 

[masterchief_mirza]

lol
secularism tells you to forget your places of worship demolished by tyrants ?

It says what happened in the formative years of that nation's history is irrelevant and has surpassed a statute of limitations.

Do you not think COUNTLESS PAGAN SITES have been built over by churches in England, Scandinavia, The Americas, the Vatican etc? Yet secularism for these countries allows them to move on from perpetual ego damage over such things. India and Indian people simply do not have a clue. They are ignorant hordes whose minds are polluted by personality cultist behaviour, fascist thought and often sheer delusions.

 

[GHALIB]

Did India declare itsel

Hagia Sophia was taken in 1453. Al-Aqsa before that. Did you read ANY of what I wrote?

Hagia Sophia was taken in 1453. Al-Aqsa before that. Did you read ANY of what I wrote?

hagia sophia is converted to a mosque from a museum in 2020. it was a church before muslims captured snd made it a mosque.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

hagia sophia is converted to a mosque from a museum in 2020. it was a church before muslims captured snd made it a mosque.

Yes. Hagia Sophia was a church until 1453. Then ottomans made it a mosque. Like I said, I have no problem with what happened in medieval times. If you're offended by holy sites being converted back then, what other medieval norms should we demand retrospective justice for? Do you have any idea what was regarded as civilised behaviour back then? Should we undo and demand restitution for inquisitions, human sacrifices and all sorts of weird and wacky legally valid practices, just because we have evolved beyond that? Yes, we can regard them as "crimes" by our modern standards, but how is it even remotely rational or plausible to attempt to actually undo all these things?

 

[21st Century Vampire]

hagia sophia is converted to a mosque from a museum in 2020. it was a church before muslims captured snd made it a mosque.

It's **status** was a mosque made a museum, not a church made a museum....big difference

 

[White and Green with M/S]

hagia sophia is converted to a mosque from a museum in 2020. it was a church before muslims captured snd made it a mosque.

forget all things now tell us when you start destroying RED FORT/ JAMAI MASJID DEHLI/ TAJ MAHAL etc etc???

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I haven't even started on the whole hypocrisy of it.

Shall we continue this discussion of morality in absolute terms, or shall we argue this in terms of relative or comparative justice taking into account the crimes of Hindus against Buddhists before the mughals were even an item? Why should the brahminist faith be allowed to even exist when it was itself a foreign aberration of native faiths in the subcontinent? If Hindus wish to restore "originality" on the basis of what was originally there alone, then desist with the hypocrisy and purge all brahminist thought from the religion of Hinduism. Restore the IVC versions of polytheism, eat beef happily, bury your dead and abolish brahmins.

 

[21st Century Vampire]

Shall we continue this discussion of morality in absolute terms, or shall we argue this in terms of relative or comparative justice

Ultimately it will be absolute there's no way around it, that's why the whole idea of it is bollocks

 

[kongn]

Indian Muslims have every right to their medieval legacy as much as your lot do. They're not second class citizens who need to beg Hindus for approval in case their architecture offends fragile Hindu egos. Look at the state of this new proposed mosque design - is it a mosque or some hipster greenhouse?? A vegetable garden?? To appease Hindus of course.

It's worth remembering Indian Muslims aren't guests in India, such as say a case could be made (debatably) for UK Muslims. Indian Muslims earned their rights in the subcontinent through conquest and centuries long rule. It's ridiculous that these folks who built your country are being eradicated slowly but surely.

When you live by the sword you die by it.As long as you had hordes of nomadic steppe archers or gunpowder armies against inferior opponents you had your way,once you lost your military advantage and once the hindus were finally united you never had any hope.Islam never could conquer india's soul like it did the middle east,despite political dominance between 1200-1700.You salvaged what you could in 1947.The rest is just..history. More distant with every passing day as new history gets written,and fading away.The hindu muslim tragedy in the subcontinent is noither could escape their history.Hindus can't get over their medieval defeat(hence the need to trump up the marathas),and muslims can't digest their complete fall from grace in last 200 years and reduction to irrelevant weak status which combines with weakness and state of siege in global islam.(hence the need to cling on to barbarian invader warlords as heroes)

As for the design its the board's design.I believe they didn't use traditional architecture because that would legitimize the new masjid as a replacement of babri.
If the muslims of india were truly interested in brotherhood,they would have denounced the actions of aurangzeb and babur and simply given away the mosques at ayodhya,varanasi and mathura as goodwill.That gesture alone would have ended most problems.Since thats not going to happen the hindutva forces will take them by force one by one,and use them for electoral politics as a bonus .

 

[hussain0216]

When you live by the sword you die by it.As long as you had hordes of nomadic steppe archers or gunpowder armies against inferior opponents you had your way,once you lost your military advantage and once the hindus were finally united you never had any hope.Islam never could conquer india's soul like it did the middle east,despite political dominance between 1200-1700.You salvaged what you could in 1947.The rest is just..history. More distant with every passing day as new history gets written,and fading away.The hindu muslim tragedy in the subcontinent is noither could escape their history.Hindus can't get over their medieval defeat(hence the need to trump up the marathas),and muslims can't digest their complete fall from grace in last 200 years and reduction to irrelevant weak status which combines with weakness and state of siege in global islam.(hence the need to cling on to barbarian invader warlords as heroes)

Muslim history in the subcontinent is glorious
From the empires to the architecture, to the food, history it's incredible

Why should Muslims forget this incredible imperial history

1000 years of history
600 million souls
2 countries with a 3rd coming
Spoils for the Muslims have been fine in the sub continent


Partition of India as Jinnah envisioned it was EXACTLY because he understood the historical baggage was simply too much and India would be a communal shithole where Indian Muslims would be under pressure to accept revisionist history of some imaginary Hindu rashtra

If the muslims of india were truly interested in brotherhood,they would have denounced the actions of aurangzeb and babur and simply given away the mosques at ayodhya,varanasi and mathura as goodwill.That gesture alone would have ended most problems.Since thats not going to happen the hindutva forces will take them by force one by one,and use them for electoral politics as a bonus

Babur and Aurengzeb were emperor's and conquerors why should Indian Muslims deny their greatness

This sites are mosques, why should Indian Muslims give up mosques for hindutva idol worship


Either the state protects their Indian Muslims holy sites or the state becomes worthless and Indian Muslims like the Sikhs push for independence


What's the point of trapping hundreds of millions in a Hindutva extremist communal state

 

[masterchief_mirza]

If the muslims of india were truly interested in brotherhood,they would have denounced the actions of aurangzeb and babur and simply given away the mosques at ayodhya,varanasi and mathura as goodwill.

And why - pray tell - do India's Muslims owe india's Hindus this abstract and intangible currency you call "good will"? Wtf did the Muslims of the modern secular republic even do that has damaged the Hindus so irreversibly?

You made some interesting points early in your post, but the same old delusional trajectory has taken flight.