New Dead Line: India must try to become developed country by 2030: Jaitley

[Mista]

You are still hung up on useless things, just like a politician.

Says the one who paint an overly optimistic future and treat them as facts when it hasn't even happen, just like an Indian politician.

Exponential uplift on HDI lmao. Show me how it's mathematically possible.

0.72 and 0.74.

And are these two numbers the same? Kerala's HDI is 0.712 btw. Not sure why you rounded it up.

Can the whole of India reach 0.800 HDI by 2030?

 

[mike2000 is back]

"We have missed the bus for Kalam's vision of making India a developed country by 2020. The date needs to be pushed further," he said during the first Memorial Lecture on Kalam.

"Instead of 2020, if we push it to 2030, India has to follow a roadmap. It will need all investments from private sector and on the global sphere as well, larger resources and push from the banking sector," he said.

Lmao......is this real??

China is targeting 2050 to become a developed country. India is full 20 year ahead of China.

Ahahahah......let's say they are optimists meanwhile you are pessimists.

 

[rambro]

The amount of make believe and lip service is off the roof, feels so surreal.

 

[NirmalKrish]

It's a big difference between setting achievable targets and setting unrealistic target that is nothing but boasting.

Indians is undeniable having the title of king of bragging

Geez your bone with India is seriously pathetic, get off the forum, shut the pc and go and enjoy life... seriously don’t you have a life? how, why and when is a question for us to resolve. chinese opinions are equaivlent to the daily gas I pass, just off with the wind! It’s a seriously a Di k measuring contest for your jobless Chinese trolls who think, coming on here and India bashing is your fav pastime.

 

[randomradio]

Says the one who paint an overly optimistic future and treat them as facts when it hasn't even happen, just like an Indian politician.

Exponential uplift on HDI lmao. Show me how it's mathematically possible.

I already told ya, add a little over 0.01 every year. It's simple math.

And are these two numbers the same? Kerala's HDI is 0.712 btw. Not sure why you rounded it up.

Kerala's number is older than China's, from 2015. While China's is from 2016.

I reduced Kerala's number in fact. Regardless, it doesn't change anything.

Can the whole of India reach 0.800 HDI by 2030?

Yes. Due to two reasons.

1. Economic growth. India will add the same amount to the GDP in 10 years what took 50 years earlier. Morgan Stanley says we may cross $6T in 10 years, so that's more than double.

2. For the first time, we are getting govt led reforms aimed at improving HDI. For all these decades, a lot of the improvement in HDI came from people led movements through companies and NGOs. Govt supplied health and education is extremely bad, so that's going to see a major improvement.

Think about projects like, housing for all, free healthcare for all, free school education for all, skill programs for 400 million people. All these to be achieved by 2022, at least that's the goal. Even if they take twice as long to achieve half of this, we will be far, far ahead compared to where we are today. We are going to witness a major change in the affordability and quality of both healthcare and education.

In all other countries, particularly the developed ones, even China, HDI was led by the govt. But not in India, and that's changing.

 

[Mista]

Yes. Due to two reasons.

Ok if you believe so. Not even China or Malaysia has reached a HDI of 0.800. But India can do so by 2030 with HDI increasing exponentially, even though you haven't show me how is it mathematically possible to increase at an increasing rate for HDI.


The HDI for other countries follow the law of diminishing returns.

Not so for India. According to this guy, India HDI grows exponentially. 1 year of progress can bring 1.2 years increase in life expectancy/mean years of education this year, 1.3 years next year, and 1.5 years for the year after next. How is that logically or mathematically possible to grow more than 1.0 years when only 1 year has passed, I still can't fathom.

 

[randomradio]

Ok if you believe so. Not even China or Malaysia has reached a HDI of 0.800. But India can do so by 2030 with HDI increasing exponentially, even though you haven't show me how is it mathematically possible to increase at an increasing rate for HDI.


The HDI for other countries follow the law of diminishing returns.

Not so for India. According to this guy, India HDI grows exponentially. 1 year of progress can bring 1.2 years increase in life expectancy/mean years of education this year, 1.3 years next year, and 1.5 years for the year after next. How is that logically or mathematically possible to grow more than 1.0 years when only 1 year has passed, I still can't fathom.

Malaysia is stuck in the middle income trap. As for China, because of the hukou, a huge chunk of the population is not allowed to access high quality services in cities. That's why both countries have lower than expected HDI.

As I mentioned, since the private sector is the reason why India's HDI is higher than normal, access to cities is important for migrant families. In India, we allow unlimited immigration into cities, that's why our urbanization is pretty high for our level of per capita and agrarian labour.

Take a look at India's per capita and compare that to countries around India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

India is at the same level as Ghana, BD, Pakistan, Congo etc in terms of per capita income, but they all have much, much lower HDI than India does. And this is with a population that's over a billion.

If China had allowed unlimited access to cities, then China's HDI would have been much higher than it is today. Not to mention, a lot of money and manpower was used up in the management of the failed one-child policy.

China was politically aligned with the West and attracted huge investments and technology while India was politically aligned with the USSR and attracted nothing. So this played a huge part in the slower development of India even after the USSR disintegrated. The USSR propped up and kept India weak by encouraging bad socialist policies so that India doesn't become a thorn in their sides in the future due to our democratic principles. The huge influx of capital from the West helped China improve HDI rapidly, the same wasn't possible in India.

India's HDI is also growing according to the law of diminishing returns, but we haven't even reached our fastest pace yet. You forget that we will be massively improving our HDI with a growing population while most other countries already had declining populations while they transitioned to higher HDI. Even after we cross 0.9, our population will still be growing. This is what's called demographic dividend.

So China's tightly controlled high end govt services shouldn't be compared with India's loosely controlled high end private services. India has crawled and stumbled itself towards its current level of development. Now, you can watch as we run towards our next goal.

 

[Mista]

Malaysia is stuck in the middle income trap. As for China, because of the hukou, a huge chunk of the population is not allowed to access high quality services in cities. That's why both countries have lower than expected HDI.

As I mentioned, since the private sector is the reason why India's HDI is higher than normal, access to cities is important for migrant families. In India, we allow unlimited immigration into cities, that's why our urbanization is pretty high for our level of per capita and agrarian labour.

Take a look at India's per capita and compare that to countries around India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

India is at the same level as Ghana, BD, Pakistan, Congo etc in terms of per capita income, but they all have much, much lower HDI than India does. And this is with a population that's over a billion.

If China had allowed unlimited access to cities, then China's HDI would have been much higher than it is today. Not to mention, a lot of money and manpower was used up in the management of the failed one-child policy.

China was politically aligned with the West and attracted huge investments and technology while India was politically aligned with the USSR and attracted nothing. So this played a huge part in the slower development of India even after the USSR disintegrated. The USSR propped up and kept India weak by encouraging bad socialist policies so that India doesn't become a thorn in their sides in the future due to our democratic principles. The huge influx of capital from the West helped China improve HDI rapidly, the same wasn't possible in India.

India's HDI is also growing according to the law of diminishing returns, but we haven't even reached our fastest pace yet. You forget that we will be massively improving our HDI with a growing population while most other countries already had declining populations while they transitioned to higher HDI. Even after we cross 0.9, our population will still be growing. This is what's called demographic dividend.

So China's tightly controlled high end govt services shouldn't be compared with India's loosely controlled high end private services. India has crawled and stumbled itself towards its current level of development. Now, you can watch as we run towards our next goal.

Good luck then.

 

[randomradio]

Good luck then.

Just wait and watch. In the last 3 years alone there has been a massive improvement in food supplies and other services to the poor. The digitization of subsidies has also practically brought corruption down to zero and 100% of the money is going to the intended recipients. This has never happened in history.

 

[Menthol]

Just wait and watch. In the last 3 years alone there has been a massive improvement in food supplies and other services to the poor. The digitization of subsidies has also practically brought corruption down to zero and 100% of the money is going to the intended recipients. This has never happened in history.

You are an optimistic person and love your country so much.

Malaysia is stuck in the middle income trap. As for China, because of the hukou, a huge chunk of the population is not allowed to access high quality services in cities. That's why both countries have lower than expected HDI.

As I mentioned, since the private sector is the reason why India's HDI is higher than normal, access to cities is important for migrant families. In India, we allow unlimited immigration into cities, that's why our urbanization is pretty high for our level of per capita and agrarian labour.

Take a look at India's per capita and compare that to countries around India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

India is at the same level as Ghana, BD, Pakistan, Congo etc in terms of per capita income, but they all have much, much lower HDI than India does. And this is with a population that's over a billion.

If China had allowed unlimited access to cities, then China's HDI would have been much higher than it is today. Not to mention, a lot of money and manpower was used up in the management of the failed one-child policy.

China was politically aligned with the West and attracted huge investments and technology while India was politically aligned with the USSR and attracted nothing. So this played a huge part in the slower development of India even after the USSR disintegrated. The USSR propped up and kept India weak by encouraging bad socialist policies so that India doesn't become a thorn in their sides in the future due to our democratic principles. The huge influx of capital from the West helped China improve HDI rapidly, the same wasn't possible in India.

India's HDI is also growing according to the law of diminishing returns, but we haven't even reached our fastest pace yet. You forget that we will be massively improving our HDI with a growing population while most other countries already had declining populations while they transitioned to higher HDI. Even after we cross 0.9, our population will still be growing. This is what's called demographic dividend.

So China's tightly controlled high end govt services shouldn't be compared with India's loosely controlled high end private services. India has crawled and stumbled itself towards its current level of development. Now, you can watch as we run towards our next goal.

You are actually a smart person. You love to thinking and have a big imagination.

But the bad thing is... You lack of information. It's like a calculator, different input will lead to different output.

If you are willingly to learn more, you can be a great person. Just smart enough to positioned yourself in the society, you will be successful. And don't be lazy.

 

[livingdead]

i would be happy if we reach thailand or mexico level of prosperity by 2030(near impossible).. forget being developed country that will take 100 years or more.

 

[randomradio]

You are an optimistic person and love your country so much.



You are actually a smart person. You love to thinking and have a big imagination.

But the bad thing is... You lack of information. It's like a calculator, different input will lead to different output.

If you are willingly to learn more, you can be a great person. Just smart enough to positioned yourself in the society, you will be successful. And don't be lazy.

Whatever I've said has already been achieved by many other nations, including China, even if China is burdened by the hukou.

i would be happy if we reach thailand or mexico level of prosperity by 2030(near impossible).. forget being developed country that will take 100 years or more.

We will urbanize faster than China. That's why there will be a faster rise in HDI.

Some of our states like TN are already at 50% urbanization. By 2030, it will be 67%.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

For India to become a developed country a lot has to change, not just the economy.

 

[rcrmj]

Arrange that for 280 million chinese defecting in open.



Since when does Pizzza boys are economically so empowered that they may order Italian food? Ofcourse, Pizza boys can certainly dream that.

is this another Bollywood "figure" from your high caste propagada $hit?
but I believe that Indian servent in that Italian restaurant does eat pizza sometime```anyway I will tell him what high caste internet Indian would have thought of that``:lol``hope he wont bu sad