Nepal constitution: Mind your own business, media tell India

[Maravan]

Did you read the court order? The court order said that permission should be got 30 days before the Jallikkattu. The court order came in May 7, 2014. Do you even understand what I am saying here? Previously maybe the 30 day notice was not there. But after the order, the 30 day notice period was to be given and our TN govt.only approached within a week for Jallikkattu.



உங்களுக்கு English புரியலையா தம்பி? நான் முதல்லையே தெளிவா கேட்டிருக்கேன் பாருங்க. இராமாயணத்துல எந்த இடத்துல, இராவணன் பாண்டிய மன்னன் கூட அமைதி ஒப்பந்தம் செய்ததா குறிப்பிட்டிருக்காங்க? இராமாயணத்துல அப்படி ஒரு சம்பவம் வரவே இல்லை. அனுமன், இராமன் கிட்ட தென்னகத்துல இருக்குற நாடுகளைப் பத்தி விலாவரியா சொல்லும்போது, சேர, சோழ பாண்டியர்களைப் பத்தி சொல்றாப்புல வரும்...அவ்வளவுதான். ஆனா நீங்க சொல்ற மாதிரி அமைதி ஒப்பந்தம்லாம் வர்றது, காளிதாசர் எழுதுன இராமாயணத்துல. அதிலயுமே, பாண்டியன் சிவபக்தன்னுதான் சொல்லப்பட்டிருக்கு. இன்னொரு இடம் என்னதுன்னா, சின்னமனூர் கல்வெட்டுலயும் இந்த செய்தி வருது. அந்தக் கல்வெட்டுல கூட பாண்டியர்கள், பெரிய பெரிய யாகம் செய்த இந்துக்கள்னுதான் சொல்லப்பட்டிருக்கு.

Neenga ramayanam padichathu illaya annae, inga vadai sudratha vittutu eduthu padichu paarunga... Illa padichavangala kaelunga, padikkama vanthutu inga ella aaniyavum pudungi kudukkanum nu ethir paakatheenga... Naan oru thadava padichirukaen, geetha press gorakpur publication. Antha 300 pakkatha padichi entha pakkam entha paragaraph la varuthu nu solla enakku porumai illa. Aana antha book la kandippa varum naan guarantee. Padichutu varala naan ithae thread la vanthu kaelunga.

Don't contradict your argurment again and again, you only told jallikattu banned in may 7 2014, now you are telling court issued an order on may 7 2014 that permission should be obtained before 30days. Which one is correct? Jallikattu banned on may 7 2014 or permission should be obtained before 30 days as per the order on may 7 2014? From the govt side, TN govt acted to lift the ban 2 days back. Because madurai alaganallur villages appeal was in the courts. After banned again govt asked to consider their petition as an urgent petition, but the ban never lifted.

 

[Neuro]

Did you follow the news or do you just spout more and more ignorance? The ban is still not lifted. The state govt. was supposed to appeal to the SC to lift the ban, but the TN govt. did not do that. The SC had made that order based on a list of animals given by the Centre in 2011. This year the TN govt. requested the Centre to remove bulls from that list, but made that request very late, just 2 days before the event. But the SC order clearly mentioned that safety arrangements should be made 30 days before the event. The Centre relented to the request and immediately removed bulls from the list, but the SC did not take the TN govt. plea because it was filed late. Do you read Tamil? Here is a Tamil source for you: Will Jallikattu possible this year | ஜல்லிக்கட்டு நடத்த கடைசி நேர மல்லுக்கட்டு: சிக்கலை ஏற்படுத்தும் நிபந்தனைகள் | Dinamalar



And you are licking Kannadiga Periyar and Telugu Karuna's boots. Not to forget Telugu Vaiko and Christian Seeman's boots. So many boots at the same time??



Show me in which part of Ramayana is it mentioned that he neglected the Hindu god? In the book, Hanuman only tells about the kingdoms of the south. It does not say Pandyas fought against Rama in favor of Ravana. Neither does it say anywhere that the Pandyans favored Ravana. Did you even read the book?

The reference to the peace treaty comes from some temple inscriptions (which also say Pandyas did many Yagams). It says Pandyas and Ravana had signed a peace treaty after having tensions between the two kingdoms. This was before Rama entered the scence. There is also a reference to this in Kalidasa's work, Raghuvamsam.

And how do you think, Pandyans were able to make Ravana sign the peace treaty? Pandyans worshipped Shiva and got weapons from Shiva just like Ravana did. So, there you go. Pandyans were the earliest Shaivites. Your lie exposed again.

On the other hand, Mahabharata very clearly says that the Pandyans were fighting to help the Pandavas.

Also, what about Tolkappiyam and Agattiyam mentioning Hindu gods? What about Tirukkural mentioning Hindu deities?

No... Tolkappium is a tamil grammer nothing to do with gods. Thirukkural mentioning philosophy of all form of life there you can't find names/gods. Usually thiruvalluvar(author of Thirukkural) mentioned as man, women ,king ,queen etc . So you say it as secular literature thus it second most translated literature in the world after bible.

Tolkappium were written on the basis of Agathiyam(pioneer grammar book) but its lost in Kumarikandam(Lemuria) due to floods/Tsunami.

 

[Josef K]

Neenga ramayanam padichathu illaya annae, inga vadai sudratha vittutu eduthu padichu paarunga... Illa padichavangala kaelunga, padikkama vanthutu inga ella aaniyavum pudungi kudukkanum nu ethir paakatheenga... Naan oru thadava padichirukaen, geetha press gorakpur publication. Antha 300 pakkatha padichi entha pakkam entha paragaraph la varuthu nu solla enakku porumai illa. Aana antha book la kandippa varum naan guarantee. Padichutu varala naan ithae thread la vanthu kaelunga.

If you make an allegation, then the burden of proof is upon you. That is how an argument works. I am 100% sure, that there is no mention of any peace treaty in Valmiki Ramayana. In Kalidasa's Ramayana, the Pandyan king is shown as some one who makes Ravana sign a peace treaty after getting weapons by worshipping Shiva. So, even if we go by Kalidasa's Ramayana, I can prove Pandyans were Shaivites.

You said you read it in the original Ramayana, the Valmiki Ramayan which is the oldest and now you are saying you read it in a 300 page book by Geetha Press? Do you know that the Geetha Press version is a mix of the different versions of Ramayana which include the one by Kalidasa also? The original Ramayana has 7 kandas and that is not a 300 page book. Thank god you didn't say you read that in Chakravarti Thirumagan.

Don't contradict your argurment again and again, you only told jallikattu banned in may 7 2014, now you are telling court issued an order on may 7 2014 that permission should be obtained before 30days. Which one is correct? Jallikattu banned on may 7 2014 or permission should be obtained before 30 days as per the order on may 7 2014? From the govt side, TN govt acted to lift the ban 2 days back. Because madurai alaganallur villages appeal was in the courts. After banned again govt asked to consider their petition as an urgent petition, but the ban never lifted.

Your entire argument is based on contradictions and you are accusing me? Firstly, are you ready to admit that you lied when you said it was the Hindutvawadis who banned jallikkattu? I have very clearly proven to you that it was the SC that banned Jallikkattu and there was no BJP influence. No BJP govt was there. No Hindutvawadis filed the case in court. Nothing whatsoever. Still you haven't admitted your mistake.

As for the the 30 day notice, that method was implemented when the case was pending after appeal to the SC post the Madras High Court verdict. So, if the TN govt., made a plea to the SC, then if the SC goes by precedence, it will still go by the 30 day notice period.

 

[Maravan]

Care to explain...........



What is this I can't understand.......where you buying such things???



False propaganda ......what about IVC ,what about Pasupathi nathar??? in nepal. Get your facts correctly.

I am not getting these things from anywhere, its only said in ramayana. Because i have completed reading, ramayana, mahabaratha, quran as a time pass. The stuff which i told will come when sugreeva meets rama, he won't believe ram is powerful enough to take on his brother vaali. So he will tell ram that vaali will put holes in seven trees with a single arrow, so ram will also do the same to prove that he is capable.

I don't understand your second question, what IVC and pasupathi nathar has to do with my argument?

 

[Josef K]

No... Tolkappium is a tamil grammer nothing to do with gods. Thirukkural mentioning philosophy of all form of life there you can't find names/gods. Usually thiruvalluvar(author of Thirukkural) mentioned as man, women ,king ,queen etc . So you say it as secular literature thus it second most translated literature in the world after bible.

Tolkappium were written on the basis of Agathiyam(pioneer grammar book) but its lost in Kumarikandam(Lemuria) due to floods/Tsunami.

Tolkappiyam mentions Thirumal as the supreme god and god of Mullai. It also mentions Varunan as god of Neithal, Kotravai (Kali) as Goddess of Palai, Murugan as god of Kurinji and Indra as god of marudam. It also talks about Vengadam. Tolkappiyam is not just a grammar book. It also has references to geography and culture.

I can give you at least six or seven Thirukkurals mentioning Lakshmi, Vamanan, Thirumal, Indran, etc. But for the time being I will give just 3.

"மடியிலா மன்னவன் எய்தும் அடியளந்தான் தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு."

Who is the one that measured the world with the feet(அடியளந்தான் தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு)? Vamana isn't it?

மடியுளாள் மாமுகடி என்ப மடியிலான் தாளுளான் தாமரையி னாள்.

Who is the Goddess who gives wealth and is also related with Lotus? Lakshmi.

ஐந்தவித்தான் ஆற்றல் அகல்விசும்பு ளார்கோமான் இந்திரனே சாலுங் கரி.

I don't even have to explain which deity is mentioned here, do I?

 

[Maravan]

If you make an allegation, then the burden of proof is upon you. That is how an argument works. I am 100% sure, that there is no mention of any peace treaty in Valmiki Ramayana. In Kalidasa's Ramayana, the Pandyan king is shown as some one who makes Ravana sign a peace treaty after getting weapons by worshipping Shiva. So, even if we go by Kalidasa's Ramayana, I can prove Pandyans were Shaivites.

You said you read it in the original Ramayana, the Valmiki Ramayan which is the oldest and now you are saying you read it in a 300 page book by Geetha Press? Do you know that the Geetha Press version is a mix of the different versions of Ramayana which include the one by Kalidasa also? The original Ramayana has 7 kandas and that is not a 300 page book. Thank god you didn't say you read that in Chakravarti Thirumagan.



Your entire argument is based on contradictions and you are accusing me? Firstly, are you ready to admit that you lied when you said it was the Hindutvawadis who banned jallikkattu? I have very clearly proven to you that it was the SC that banned Jallikkattu and there was no BJP influence. No BJP govt was there. No Hindutvawadis filed the case in court. Nothing whatsoever. Still you haven't admitted your mistake.

As for the the 30 day notice, that method was implemented when the case was pending after appeal to the SC post the Madras High Court verdict. So, if the TN govt., made a plea to the SC, then if the SC goes by precedence, it will still go by the 30 day notice period.

Still i say hindutvadis ensured that jallikattu not took place in madurai, by supporting the ban. Even their minister supported the ban in an open press meet. I am not contradicting like u did, read your posts again.

I am not telling it's a geetha press book. That ramayanam book was published by geeta press gorakpur. Now don't tell me you need to study from original valmiki manu script. I will try to find that page and will post here when i get time.

 

[Neuro]

I am not getting these things from anywhere, its only said in ramayana. Because i have completed reading, ramayana, mahabaratha, quran as a time pass. The stuff which i told will come when sugreeva meets rama, he won't believe ram is powerful enough to take on his brother vaali. So he will tell ram that vaali will put holes in seven trees with a single arrow, so ram will also do the same to prove that he is capable.

I don't understand your second question, what IVC and pasupathi nathar has to do with my argument?

I agreed those things were said in Ramayana. I talked about your false god and glorification and the stance of pandyas. Predominatly Pandyas were shivaites see most of south tamilnadu temples buit by Pandyas and cholas. During ages of Kalabras Jains/Buddists religion flourished. That time five perungkappiyum were written.

Few research strongly believed that IVC was dravidian civilization and they found evidences like black dancing girl statue , layout of city construction same thing you can observe in Madurai today ,some drawings of proto-Murugan etc. IVC people were farmers they worshipped god Pasupathi ( in tamil Pasu means cow pathi means king/head/leader). Pasupathi is incarnation shiva or other way around even in our villages still people worshipping peedam.

Tolkappiyam mentions Thirumal as the supreme god and god of Mullai. It also mentions Varunan as god of Neithal, Kotravai (Kali) as Goddess of Palai, Murugan as god of Kurinji and Indra as god of marudam. It also talks about Vengadam. Tolkappiyam is not just a grammar book. It also has references to geography and culture.

I can give you at least six or seven Thirukkurals mentioning Lakshmi, Vamanan, Thirumal, Indran, etc. But for the time being I will give just 3.

"மடியிலா மன்னவன் எய்தும் அடியளந்தான் தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு."

Who is the one that measured the world with the feet(அடியளந்தான் தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு)? Vamana isn't it?

மடியுளாள் மாமுகடி என்ப மடியிலான் தாளுளான் தாமரையி னாள்.

Who is the Goddess who gives wealth and is also related with Lotus? Lakshmi.

ஐந்தவித்தான் ஆற்றல் அகல்விசும்பு ளார்கோமான் இந்திரனே சாலுங் கரி.

I don't even have to explain which deity is mentioned here, do I?

Care to explain the bold parts I never heard such things in Tolkappium , give some eg if possible.

What you trying to say . See... how you takes meaning is Thirkkural is matters? conveniently handled it in your own way .

"மடியிலா மன்னவன் எய்தும் அடியளந்தான்
தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு."

Meaning:சோம்பல் இல்லாதவர் அடையும் பயன், சோர்வில்லாத ஒரு மன்னன், அவன் சென்ற இடமனைத்தையும் தனது காலடி எல்லைக்குள் கொண்டு வந்ததைப் போன்றதாகும்.
Here nothing to do with god Vishnu/ Thirumaal/ Vamanan

மடியுளாள் மாமுகடி என்ப மடியிலான்
தாளுளான் தாமரையி னாள்.

Meaning: திருமகள், மூதேவி எனப்படும் சொற்கள் முறையே முயற்சியில் ஊக்கமுடையவரையும், முயற்சியில் ஊக்கமற்ற சோம்பேறியையும் சுட்டிக் காட்டிப் பயன்படுவனவாகும்.


ஐந்தவித்தான் ஆற்றல் அகல்விசும்பு ளார்கோமான்
இந்திரனே சாலுங் கரி.

Meaning:புலன்களை அடக்க முடியாமல் வழிதவறிச் சென்றிடும் மனிதனுக்குச் சான்றாக இந்திரன் (bad example)விளங்கி, ஐம்புலன்களால் ஏற்படும்ஆசைகளைக் கட்டுப்படுத்தியதால் வான்புகழ் கொண்டவர்களின் ஆற்றலை எடுத்துக் காட்டுகிறான்.

 

[Josef K]

I agreed those things were said in Ramayana. I talked about your false god and glorification and the stance of pandyas. Predominatly Pandyas were shivaites see most of south tamilnadu temples buit by Pandyas and cholas. During ages of Kalabras Jains/Buddists religion flourished. That time five perungkappiyum were written.

Few research strongly believed that IVC was dravidian civilization and they found evidences like black dancing girl statue , layout of city construction same thing you can observe in Madurai today ,some drawings of proto-Murugan etc. IVC people were farmers they worshipped god Pasupathi ( in tamil Pasu means cow pathi means king/head/leader). Pasupathi is incarnation shiva or other way around even in our villages still people worshipping peedam.



Care to explain the bold parts I never heard such things in Tolkappium , give some eg if possible.

What you trying to say . See... how you takes meaning is Thirkkural is matters? conveniently handled it in your own way .

"மடியிலா மன்னவன் எய்தும் அடியளந்தான்
தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு."

Meaning:சோம்பல் இல்லாதவர் அடையும் பயன், சோர்வில்லாத ஒரு மன்னன், அவன் சென்ற இடமனைத்தையும் தனது காலடி எல்லைக்குள் கொண்டு வந்ததைப் போன்றதாகும்.
Here nothing to do with god Vishnu/ Thirumaal/ Vamanan

மடியுளாள் மாமுகடி என்ப மடியிலான்
தாளுளான் தாமரையி னாள்.

Meaning: திருமகள், மூதேவி எனப்படும் சொற்கள் முறையே முயற்சியில் ஊக்கமுடையவரையும், முயற்சியில் ஊக்கமற்ற சோம்பேறியையும் சுட்டிக் காட்டிப் பயன்படுவனவாகும்.


ஐந்தவித்தான் ஆற்றல் அகல்விசும்பு ளார்கோமான்
இந்திரனே சாலுங் கரி.

Meaning:புலன்களை அடக்க முடியாமல் வழிதவறிச் சென்றிடும் மனிதனுக்குச் சான்றாக இந்திரன் (bad example)விளங்கி, ஐம்புலன்களால் ஏற்படும்ஆசைகளைக் கட்டுப்படுத்தியதால் வான்புகழ் கொண்டவர்களின் ஆற்றலை எடுத்துக் காட்டுகிறான்.

Read again the translation you've given for Kural 610. I mean no offense, but it will not make sense.

மன்னவன் எய்தும் - The king will attain.
அடியளந்தான் - The one who measured with his feet (this is not referring to the king, because this is a separate noun)
தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு - All of that strode.

To read it with correct syntax, "The king who is not lazy (மடியிலா மன்னவன்) will attain (எய்தும்) all that was strode by (தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு ), the one who measured with the foot (அடியளந்தான்).

So, it is not saying that the King will bring everything that he walks upon under his feet, but instead saying that he will bring everything that was strode by the one who measured with his feet.
In fact this is from MuVa urai: Thirukkural no 610 | English Translation | Tamil | Meaning in English | Transliteration Tamil and English | Parimelazhagar Urai - thirukkural.eegai.com

As for the Kural 617, again from MuVa: Thirukkural no 617 | English Translation | Tamil | Meaning in English | Transliteration Tamil and English | Parimelazhagar Urai - thirukkural.eegai.com

It says, ஒருவனுடைய சோம்பலில் கரிய மூதேவி வாழ்கின்றாள், சோம்பல் இல்லாதவனுடைய முயற்சியிலே திருமகள் வாழ்கின்றாள்.

Even then, isn't that a direct reference to Lakshmi? Is there a separate Tamil deity called Thirumagal. And more importantly, does she relate to the lotus flower (thaamarayinaal)?

For the kural about Indra, of course it's a bad example. Even in Sanskrit texts Indra is shown as a bad example. Even in Ramayana and Mahabharata he is shown as someone who is decadent. Still, what matters is Thirukkural makes a reference to Hindu deities. Is that correct or not?

Regarding Tolkappiyam, I don't have the text with me. But I can quote something from this wiki link: Religion in ancient Tamil country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Tolkappiyam, mentions that each of these thinai had an associated deity such Seyyon in Kurinji-the hills, Thirumaal in Mullai-the forests, and Kotravai in Marutham-the plains, and Wanji-ko in the Neithal-the coasts and the seas"

 

[Josef K]

Still i say hindutvadis ensured that jallikattu not took place in madurai, by supporting the ban. Even their minister supported the ban in an open press meet. I am not contradicting like u did, read your posts again.

Why don't you read your posts again?

I was wrong on a technicality. I wrongly said that the 30 day notice period was part of the SC verdict on May 7, 2014, while in reality it was in fact based on the precedence set by the SC previously. However, I was still right because, both the ban as well as the 30 day notice period were the outcome of the proceedings in the SC.

But you have been proven wrong again and again and you still come back with even more lame arguments. Let me recap here.

You said that the ban was because of Hindutvawadis, while I proved it to you that the SC gave the ban. You tried to shift the goalpost by saying, the SC can be influenced by the Centre. I showed to you that the ban came out on May 7, 2014 when a non-Hindutvawadi govt. was in power. You should have admitted that you were wrong at least there. But you instead tried to blame NDA again for not revoking the ban. I showed you very clearly, that the NDA at least made some effort to remove bull from the performing animals list whereas TN govt. was slow to appeal to the Centre and SC. Then lastly you have said, Maneka Gandhi wanted the ban. I have clearly showed you the minister for the ministry in charge of removing the bulls from the animals list, Prakash Javadekar himself is saying he is making amendments to by-pass the law.

If you are such a source of misinformation and if you keep shifting the goalposts everytime you get caught in a lie, what is the point in calling yourself a maravan? You are an embarrassment to that name and clan. Maravans at least admit when they are wrong instead of lying. How many times have lied here?

I am not telling it's a geetha press book. That ramayanam book was published by geeta press gorakpur. Now don't tell me you need to study from original valmiki manu script. I will try to find that page and will post here when i get time.

Show me and then we can talk. And prove to me that the Pandyan kings were allies of Ravana.

In the current absence of proof from your side, can we agree that the ancient Tamil religion was Hinduism, based on Tamil texts? After all, why would you want some reference from a Sanskrit text, whereas even our Tolkappiyar and Valluvar have clearly talked about Hindu deities? And not to forget the Saiva Siddhanta which is the same as Advaita. The only Tamil origin metaphysical philosophy itself is Hindu, isn't it?

 

[Neuro]

Read again the translation you've given for Kural 610. I mean no offense, but it will not make sense.

மன்னவன் எய்தும் - The king will attain.
அடியளந்தான் - The one who measured with his feet (this is not referring to the king, because this is a separate noun)
தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு - All of that strode.

To read it with correct syntax, "The king who is not lazy (மடியிலா மன்னவன்) will attain (எய்தும்) all that was strode by (தாஅய தெல்லாம் ஒருங்கு ), the one who measured with the foot (அடியளந்தான்).

So, it is not saying that the King will bring everything that he walks upon under his feet, but instead saying that he will bring everything that was strode by the one who measured with his feet.
In fact this is from MuVa urai: Thirukkural no 610 | English Translation | Tamil | Meaning in English | Transliteration Tamil and English | Parimelazhagar Urai - thirukkural.eegai.com

As for the Kural 617, again from MuVa: Thirukkural no 617 | English Translation | Tamil | Meaning in English | Transliteration Tamil and English | Parimelazhagar Urai - thirukkural.eegai.com

It says, ஒருவனுடைய சோம்பலில் கரிய மூதேவி வாழ்கின்றாள், சோம்பல் இல்லாதவனுடைய முயற்சியிலே திருமகள் வாழ்கின்றாள்.

Even then, isn't that a direct reference to Lakshmi? Is there a separate Tamil deity called Thirumagal. And more importantly, does she relate to the lotus flower (thaamarayinaal)?

For the kural about Indra, of course it's a bad example. Even in Sanskrit texts Indra is shown as a bad example. Even in Ramayana and Mahabharata he is shown as someone who is decadent. Still, what matters is Thirukkural makes a reference to Hindu deities. Is that correct or not?

Regarding Tolkappiyam, I don't have the text with me. But I can quote something from this wiki link: Religion in ancient Tamil country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Tolkappiyam, mentions that each of these thinai had an associated deity such Seyyon in Kurinji-the hills, Thirumaal in Mullai-the forests, and Kotravai in Marutham-the plains, and Wanji-ko in the Neithal-the coasts and the seas"

1)That explanation is not given by me for your info. Source from: MUVA ,Parimelaalazhar , Karunaithi. So don't blame me for that ..... Initially you told in 610 it refers Thirumaal but there is no such things.

I given explanation for 610 kural from Karunanithi urai.

2) There is no goddess as Lakshmi in sangam ages as far I know they used to call Thirumagal , Malaimagal , Alaimagal . Thiru endral menmai enbathu porul , thirumagal endral selvam mikkaval enbathu porul. Lakshmi enbathu vada eluthu or Sanskrit.

3) திருக்குறளில் தெய்வங்கள் பாடு பொருளாக இல்லை . ஆனால் சில இடங்களில் இலை மறை காய்யாக குறிக்கபட்டுள்ளது நிதர்சனம்.

Tolkappium : Point taken...... I am wrong thank for your post.

Here songs:
குறிஞ்சி
கூதிர் யாமம் என்மனார் புலவர்
பனி எதிர் பருவமும் உரித்து என மொழிப
வைகறை விடியல் மருதம்.

Tholkāppiyam, Akathinai Iyal verse 7 & 8

Link: தொல்காப்பியம் | Learn Sangam Tamil

 

[Josef K]

1)That explanation is not given by me for your info. Source from: MUVA ,Parimelaalazhar , Karunaithi. So don't blame me for that ..... Initially you told in 610 it refers Thirumaal but there is no such things.

I given explanation for 610 kural from Karunanithi urai.

Now that changes everything doesn't it? Trust me. When I saw that translation from you I was 100% sure it was from Karunanidhi urai. Any one with the slightest interest in the Tamil language can recognize the twisted translation of Thirukkural and identify it's source.

The translations I provided were from MuVa or Parimelazhagar.

MuKa had an agenda, whereas MuVa had none. Truth be told, most Tamil scholars(real ones. not the DMK court poets) do not consider the "secularized" version of Tirukkural translated by Karunanidhi as something worthy of recognition. Sadly though, during his tenure as CM, the TN textbooks carry his writings on Kural. If this weren't an international forum, I'd utter some choicest words for him.

2) There is no goddess as Lakshmi in sangam ages as far I know they used to call Thirumagal , Malaimagal , Alaimagal . Thiru endral menmai enbathu porul , thirumagal endral selvam mikkaval enbathu porul. Lakshmi enbathu vada eluthu or Sanskrit.

Ok. But is this goddess Thirumagal related to the lotus flower. In fact, in that kural she is not called Thirumagal, but as "Thaamrayinaal" (the one belonging to lotus). Also, find out why Thirumagal is also called Alaimagal. You'll find something very interesting.

3) திருக்குறளில் தெய்வங்கள் பாடு பொருளாக இல்லை . ஆனால் சில இடங்களில் இலை மறை காய்யாக குறிக்கபட்டுள்ளது நிதர்சனம்.

Yes. The idea of making Thirukkural secular first came up during the Dravidian movement. The kurals that clearly denoted Hindu deities were either obfuscated or intentionally mistranslated by people like MuKa. Unfortunately for them Valluvar added kadavaul vaazhththu. Else they would have declared Kural as atheistic.

Tolkappium : Point taken...... I am wrong thank for your post.

Actually I'm thankful that you reminded me of that song. Learned it for Tamil grammar when I was in school.

 

[BDforever]

Indians are always like this, specially its media thinks India owns everything, latest example: PM Modi is going to meet Salman khan (educator), to describe his ethnicity it is how discribed:
Not that he's doesn't like money. Who doesn't when you have a young family and a mortgage? But cashing in his MBA cachet right off the bat wasn't a priority to a young man whose parents came from the poorest parts of India -- Bengal.

Modi to meet Salman Khan, the educator not the movie star - The Times of India

But In reality, His father from Barishal, Bangladesh and Mother from India

 

[Neuro]

Now that changes everything doesn't it? Trust me. When I saw that translation from you I was 100% sure it was from Karunanidhi urai. Any one with the slightest interest in the Tamil language can recognize the twisted translation of Thirukkural and identify it's source.

The translations I provided were from MuVa or Parimelazhagar.

MuKa had an agenda, whereas MuVa had none. Truth be told, most Tamil scholars(real ones. not the DMK court poets) do not consider the "secularized" version of Tirukkural translated by Karunanidhi as something worthy of recognition. Sadly though, during his tenure as CM, the TN textbooks carry his writings on Kural. If this weren't an international forum, I'd utter some choicest words for him.



Ok. But is this goddess Thirumagal related to the lotus flower. In fact, in that kural she is not called Thirumagal, but as "Thaamrayinaal" (the one belonging to lotus). Also, find out why Thirumagal is also called Alaimagal. You'll find something very interesting.



Yes. The idea of making Thirukkural secular first came up during the Dravidian movement. The kurals that clearly denoted Hindu deities were either obfuscated or intentionally mistranslated by people like MuKa. Unfortunately for them Valluvar added kadavaul vaazhththu. Else they would have declared Kural as atheistic.


Actually I'm thankful that you reminded me of that song. Learned it for Tamil grammar when I was in school.

Yeah you are ryt....even I am not a fan of Karunanithi and his works. In an argument you should win at any cost not matter what...so back his source . In personal I like Parimelazhagar urai. Totally agree with above bold parts.

In school?? I never encountered that song in my curriculum may be you done ur schooling long back .

 

[Josef K]

In school?? I never encountered that song in my curriculum may be you done ur schooling long back

I came out of school 12-13 years back. Don't tell me they've removed such an important poem from curriculum already. What are they teaching kids these days?

 

[asad71]

Shabash Nepal!! Shabash! Ayo Gurkhali! We might find the Gurkha troops breaking out any day. IA officers aren't British.