Nearly 400 Muslim candidates crack IIT-JEE, largest number ever

[Mech]

I always thought that U have Better thought about all these matter But u have the Same Congressi Mentality ...

The Brahmins in Tamil Nadu Constitutes Just 3% of the Population & the Poverty is as much Rampant among them as among the other Tamils ... Since there population is Low which means No use for Vote bank Politics ... there is no party to Support there Community

I am From a Forward caste Community of Kerala called as Nair caste which Once Constituted of 30% of Kerala population now less then 12 % is remaining in Kerala... Most Nairs have left Kerala as they dont have any Job or educational Opportunities ...My ancestors were the one who Fought against Both british & Mughal invasion & Protected Kerala from being Plundered by the invaders ...

Look at what is our condition now in Kerala... we r Poorer then Minority like Muslims & Christians... there is No voice for us... heart broken we have left our land ... Now we have no stake in our Land... ur laws r Forcing Us to migrate from Kerala which was once Ruled by Us...

U can Take Kerala out of Nairs History But u cant Take Nairs out of Kerala History ... Ur doing the same thing what Pakistan Did to its Hindu population ...

Did Our Ancestors Gave their Blood for this Land so that there Grand Children would be Discriminated on the Basis of caste ...
What Did independent India Give Us Our Land where Seized By Government in the Name of land reforms ... Our Right as Ruler was taken away ... U Pushed us to the verge of Starvation, now we have to leave this very Land for our Survival ... in 1971 the Government recognized the Mappila Rioters as Freedom Fighters & Started giving them Pension this were the Same people who Killed raped or forced 100000 Nairs to leave there Homeland ...

Kerala is a State where Muslims r Richer than Hindus still they Get reservation that too 12%

U have Erased the History to Make us Look like a Villain in that part of Time... Kerala will be a Cursed Land which Disowned US... When Blood was needed for the Freedom of the Land Nairs Blood was First in the Line we Gave the Blood of our Children , Women Now u r Systematically Deporting US...

What a RIDICULOUS post !

we r Poorer then Minority like Muslims & Christians... there is No voice for us... heart broken we have left our land ... Now we have no stake in our Land... ur laws r Forcing Us to migrate from Kerala which was once Ruled by Us...

Seriously dude?! I've heard of drama queens , but you take the cake.

U Pushed us to the verge of Starvation, now we have to leave this very Land for our Survival

Oh god...please just kill me now...-.-

 

[Nair saab]

What a RIDICULOUS post !



Seriously dude?! I've heard of drama queens , but you take the cake.



Oh god...please just kill me now...-.-

Well i expected a Similar reaction from a Rich Minority ...

 

[KS]

There is nothing like caste system in Islam ..

Correct - so why are Muslims accepting the benefits of reservation which according to our contitution is caste based ?

That is my confusion.

As far as I know some Muslims are part of OBC too so Muslim reservation actually goes above 4.5% and Hindus go below 45.5%

Dont you contradict yourself - saying there is no casteism in Islam and them saying some Muslims are part of OBC

 

[roshangjha]

Yes, but if the biggest recipients of quota benefits are low caste Hindus, then it is disingenuous to use Muslims as the public face of quotas.

I hate all quota, whether its for Muslims , Hindus or others but I completely support quota based on economic situation

. If there are poor Muslims , like the TV mechanic's son as mentioned in the article there are also poor Hindus even Brahmins who survive on the brink of starvation.



Don't know about other states but the whole of Muslims in Kerala is OBC and thus entitled for reservation.

There is no caste system in Muslims. So, I do not know what you base your conclusions on.

Economic status should be the only criteria. Reservations based on caste, religion, etc. will not do anything to help them.
Instead, reservations will marginalize them.

Sounds like the Muslims who are 20% Indian Population have to share 4.5% quota with Sikhs, Christians and Scheduled Castes. does not sound too fair...

Get your facts correct buddy. Muslims are 14% of Indian population, not 20%. And no, they do not have to share it with scheduled castes. The Christian and Sikh population is much much smaller.

Hindus who are 78% of the Indian population have to share 0% reservation. Does that sound fair to you?

Hindus were more than 80.5% of the Indian population according to the last census. The minimum it will go this time would be 79.5% of the Indian population and this is mainly due to the higher birth rates amongst Muslim couples.

We cannot just divide the entire quota based on population and some quota should be left only to merit. Supreme court said that number should be 50%.



SC/ST and OBC are Hindus if you forgot.

. Reservation without reforms is bad. Imagine a dalit doctor or IAS officer's son get to use the SC quota instead of a Dalit village laborer's son? Even within the quota these two will fight for the seats and guess who will win due to better schooling etc.

I have seen this happening first hand throughout my life as a student. The ones who actually get to benefit from reservations are actually the ones who deserve it the least. Only a very small part of the benefit of the reservation goes to the ones who deserve it.
Luckily, initiatives are being taken now to keep reservation on the basis of income. At least in Maharashtra, schools have been told to keep 25% seats reserved for economically poor students. Finally, a good initiative by the government.

Dont you contradict yourself - saying there is no casteism in Islam and them saying some Muslims are part of OBC

According to me, the point made by that post is that even the muslims are making use of the OBC reservation and not that they should.

 

[Zeeshan360]

Correct - so why are Muslims accepting the benefits of reservation which according to our contitution is caste based ?

That is my confusion.

Dont you contradict yourself - saying there is no casteism in Islam and them saying some Muslims are part of OBC

OBC doesn't purely means about Caste ..

Muslims in OBC are choosen by type of family jobs .
For eg . I stay on sea coast .. Here Muslims belonging to fishing community are represented in OBC

And about your 1st question .. Muslim reservation 4.5% is based on religion and not on caste
Those who earn more than a specific income are in Creamy layer which arent included in reservation

There is reservations for handicaps , army .. So Muslims shouldn't accept those reservations too ??

 

[rubyjackass]

With news articles like this, every Muslim student will be looked at with suspicion and derision.

Did he/she earn it, or are they simply here because of quota?

Indian secularism just took a punch in the stomach.

They are other quota categories(50%) which face the same suspicion and derision. So there is no harm for secularism. :wink: We discriminate all religions equally In fact the targets of derision(quota guys), given their numbers, can counter-discriminate in India. I can't believe India is losing something slowly and surely - it is definitely not socialism, secularism or democracy. May be it is common sense.

The only problem is with the HRD trying to fix things that work(IITs) and claiming them as achievements. Since 1984 or so, IITs have been the 'achievement' of every government and every HRD minister. And almost every time useless fellows like Arjun Singh and Kapil Sibal are given this important post.
Since I got some wisdom, I have been seeing human resources ministries tweaking the IITs, NITs, IIMs and AIIMS. But they never cared about the human resources being created for India in the local colleges. They never cared about the school level education which feeds into the IITs.

So as far as they are concerned, their job is done if 400 Muslims enter IIT. They forget that if Muslims were really uplifted, each of the 400 Muslim IITians should have 10,00,000 in good schools. We are entirely to blame ourselves for this twisted compromise. They do this, because we accept it.

 

[KS]

OBC doesn't purely means about Caste ..

....

Ofcourse it means purely caste. Other Backward Castes. Mate what are you on about ?

And about your 1st question .. Muslim reservation 4.5% is based on religion and not on caste

There is reservations for handicaps , army .. So Muslims shouldn't accept those reservations too ??

Reservation based on religion is unconstitutional - today Andhra High court scrapped the reservation based on religion on the grounds it is unconstitutional. In India, constitutionally, reservation is extended only based on caste and if Islam doesn't have caste system then Muslims must not accept reservation based on caste.

 

[Anish1]

Wonderfull news. Now in next 2-3 years half will be working for SIMI/PFI.
Last thing we need is to train terrorists.

 

[neutral_person]

Wonderfull news. Now in next 2-3 years half will be working for SIMI/PFI.
Last thing we need is to train terrorists.

F u c k off. They are Indian Muslims and you have no right to speak to them this way.

 

[Zeeshan360]

Ofcourse it means purely caste. Other Backward Castes. Mate what are you on about ?

Reservation based on religion is unconstitutional - today Andhra High court scrapped the reservation based on religion on the grounds it is unconstitutional. In India, constitutionally, reservation is extended only based on caste and if Islam doesn't have caste system then Muslims must not accept reservation based on caste.

I don't care if it's unconstitutional or not ..

Hell to our constitution who gives almost 50% reservation to Hindus based on caste and says 4.5% reservation to Muslims is unconstitutional

 

[EjazR]

First of all the 4.5% reservation is for ALL minorities, not just Muslims.

It was stupid way of giving reservation because effectively that brings Muslim share down to 3%. And that is what Muslims already get throught he General category without any reservation support.

And the AP court judgment about no reservation on the basis of religion is very dubious as its judgement in the past on this. STates like Karnataka, Kerela, TN and Bihar as well have all had notified a subquota for Muslim caste groups on the basis of Ecoomically Backward status without any issue. Most of the southern states cover 70-80% of their Muslim populations comparable to their Hindu couterparts.

The SC reservation for example is explicitly based on religioun were the religiouns are specifed just as it was specfied in the 4.5% sub quota.

The SC reservation basically is restricted to Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Jains

The 4.5% subquota was restricted to Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Parsis and Jains

If the 4.5% is struck down, then SC reservation on the basis of religion should also be struck down so that just because you go out of the listed religions, you don't loose the reservation benefits based only on your religious affiliation. I would agree with this decision as it makes the most logical sense.

At present 70-80% of Hindus are covered in one or the other form of reservation under SC/ST/OBC quota
For Muslims, only about 20-25% are covered under the OBC quota with no corresponding SC benefit. While there are many Christian STs who can take benefit of the ST quota. The rest of the Muslim have to compete in the general category and are lagging in education resources as compared to Forward Castes, Christians and Sikhs in the general category.
This discperancy particularly in the northern states must be corrected so that there is equitable oppurtunity for all rather than a discrimnatory quota system at present.

I think the title is misleading. 400 Muslim candidates was selected under the 4.5% quota minority quota. There may be more amongthe 24,112 shortlisted.

With news articles like this, every Muslim student will be looked at with suspicion and derision.

Did he/she earn it, or are they simply here because of quota?

Indian secularism just took a punch in the stomach.

About 200 muslims students were from general category

Around 390 were under the 4.5% quota, there is no proof that ALL of these are Muslims as the article says. Only an assumption. These could also unclude Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains

Besides, getting INTO IIT might be helped via a quota. There is no quota in PASSING out from IIT. That is sheer hardwork. You don't get a quota stamp on your graduation certificate. It all depends on how you perform and your mark sheet.

 

[cricketrulez]

I don't care if it's unconstitutional or not ..

Hell to our constitution who gives almost 50% reservation to Hindus based on caste and says 4.5% reservation to Muslims is unconstitutional

Hell to our constitution? You sound like pak dictators!

 

[KS]

I don't care if it's unconstitutional or not ..

Hell to our constitution who gives almost 50% reservation to Hindus based on caste and says 4.5% reservation to Muslims is unconstitutional

Seriously ? Hell to our constitution..

Anyway that is because reservation in India is only based on caste - the architects of our constitution meant it that way and not based on religion. You may not like it. But that is how it is. Today Andhra HC scrapped down minority quota reservation in AP, saying it is unconstitutional. Reservation based on religion goes against secularism.

And reservation is not there only for Hindus - but also for Buddhists and Sikhs. Also dont forget that not all Hindus benefit from reservation. Only the backward castes, SC and ST. I am a Hindu and I dont enjoy reservation. lol

 

[Rig Vedic]

I don't care if it's unconstitutional or not ..

Hell to our constitution who gives almost 50% reservation to Hindus based on caste and says 4.5% reservation to Muslims is unconstitutional

The rationale for that was that Muslims were a politically privileged group for a long time.

Now it may be true that the vast majority of Muslims were converts who received minimal privileges.

The solution would be to have quotas based on socio-economic factors alone: income, education level of parents, access to basic necessities like housing, water and electricity. These are the factors that can actually impact an otherwise talented student. The divisive caste and religion based quotas should be abolished altogether.

 

[EjazR]

The 4.5% reservation WAS based on economically backward classes. So rich Muslim OBC would not be a part of the quota. Neither would poor Forward caste Muslims. For those who have read the MO it mentions a creamy layer criteria were Muslim OBCs would be income tested as well.

The entire decision of the court is based on article 15 and 16. Any lay person's reading of these articles is clear that affirmative action BASED on economically and socially backward classes is allowed. That is why we have SC/ST/OBC reservations. THat is why other states from Bihar in the north to Tamil NAdu in the south have provided reservations to backward muslim classes as well.

Here is the operative parts of the articles


15. Prohibition of discrimination on grounds of religion, race, caste, sex or place of birth
(1) The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them
(2) No citizen shall, on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them, be subject to any disability, liability, restriction or condition with regard to
(a) access to shops, public restaurants, hotels and palaces of public entertainment; or
(b) the use of wells, tanks, bathing ghats, roads and places of public resort maintained wholly or partly out of State funds or dedicated to the use of the general public
(3) Nothing in this article shall prevent the State from making any special provision for women and children
(4) Nothing in this article or in clause ( 2 ) of Article 29 shall prevent the State from making any special provision for the advancement of any socially and educationally backward classes of citizens or for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes


16. Equality of opportunity in matters of public employment
(1) There shall be equality of opportunity for all citizens in matters relating to employment or appointment to any office under the State
(2) No citizen shall, on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, descent, place of birth, residence or any of them, be ineligible for, or discriminated against in respect or, any employment or office under the State
(3) Nothing in this article shall prevent Parliament from making any law prescribing, in regard to a class or classes of employment or appointment to an office under the Government of, or any local or other authority within, a State or Union territory, any requirement as to residence within that State or Union territory prior to such employment or appointment
(4) Nothing in this article shall prevent the State from making any provision for the reservation of appointments or posts in favor of any backward class of citizens which, in the opinion of the State, is not adequately represented in the services under the State
(5) Nothing in this article shall affect the operation of any law which provides that the incumbent of an office in connection with the affairs of any religious or denominational institution or any member of the governing body thereof shall be a person professing a particular religion or belonging to a particular denomination