Naxals killed 18 policemen

[deckingraj]

In that case, the entire Chattisgarh government should be on trial. They are no better than the Naxals. Actually, as they were elected by us, they are probably worse.

Well it might sound silly but why not. If entire Chattisgarh government is responsible for depriving its millions to such an extent then yes they should be put on trial but we cannot and should not go after a mob as mob has no face. we need to pin point individuals who did not let the relief and policy benefits reach to the masses. To me they are even more heinous and dangerous than the Naxals who have taken up arms. Wht u think?

 

[IBRIS]

Assam June 25(ANI): Twenty six militants of United Liberation Front of Asom or ULFA surrendered to the Indian Army in Assam on Tuesday. ULFA rebels surrendered to General Chander Prakash at a surrender ceremony.

Assam CM gave ultimatum to Black Widow Group, Which led them to surrender in large numbers in September

 

[paritosh]

Soft corner...yes Sir my heart goes out for these poor/deprived people who are being sandwithced between power hungry corrupt people(Govt and their own leaders)




Again i agree with you conceptually. I will choose democracy over socialism any day and you have very beautifully mentioned the reasons above. However the point where i disagree with you is your earlier comment where you suggested that "we are the most successful democracy in south asia". With lot of pain i have to say we are a flawed democracy in various aspects and its been 62 years which by no means can be consider a small time frame. Where i see from India lacks a real leader... a visionery one who can bring us back to what should a true democracy. Please don't get me wrong i have lot of respect for Mr. Manmohan Singh but then he is not a politician..

the only reason i call us the most successful democracy in south asia is because..we have somehow not crumbled under duress...we survived and functioned as a majorly workable democracy...you and i know how big a blunder handing the power to the people who were primarily uneducated could have been specially in an over-populated country having a great diversity.unity in diversity hasn't been easy and we've compromised a lot...but somehow the 5 year elections have occurred every time.earlier in this thread in one of my post I quoted what Sri Sri...i forgot his name....the "art of Living" guy said about the naxals...he called them "people who find it difficult connecting with their spirit"
it's actually true...from the state's perspective...corruption is not god-sent....we are responsible for it...all of us..it's an over-stressed country...
the Naxals believed that living in one of the most resource rich area( the chhotanagpur plateau has immense natural resources)...they had the first right to it's bounties...the usage of these resources by the state wasn't tolerated...
in short they gave up waiting for the change and took up arms...
you are either part of the solution or the problem...the Naxals din't want to be a part of the problem so they created a new one.

I know its difficult to see the fruits of democracy in your lifetime but not impossible and we do have the potential for that. I guess time to buckle up for so called elite india to bring our own people from the so called dark world of india and show them her sunny side and immense growth potential that she have for them

these Naxals have taken a path which will lead to violence and their destruction.
the govt. has constructed almost a 100 schools in a year in the Naxal belt....and almost half of them have been destroyed by these Naxals...and I am pretty sure that they don't pay their taxes...they have no right to call themselves the citizens of India...I support their cause but not their way...burning trains worth crores costs the nation...and is counter-productive.

 

[deckingraj]

the only reason i call us the most successful democracy in south asia is because..we have somehow not crumbled under duress...we survived and functioned as a majorly workable democracy...you and i know how big a blunder handing the power to the people who were primarily uneducated could have been specially in an over-populated country having a great diversity.unity in diversity hasn't been easy and we've compromised a lot...but somehow the 5 year elections have occurred every time.earlier in this thread in one of my post I quoted what Sri Sri...i forgot his name....the "art of Living" guy said about the naxals...he called them "people who find it difficult connecting with their spirit"
it's actually true...from the state's perspective...corruption is not god-sent....we are responsible for it...all of us..it's an over-stressed country...
the Naxals believed that living in one of the most resource rich area( the chhotanagpur plateau has immense natural resources)...they had the first right to it's bounties...the usage of these resources by the state wasn't tolerated...
in short they gave up waiting for the change and took up arms...
you are either part of the solution or the problem...the Naxals din't want to be a part of the problem so they created a new one.

Got your point. Thanks for the clarification and you know what i really liked the way you put your point. Hopefully will learn from you in our future discussions..

these Naxals have taken a path which will lead to violence and their destruction.
the govt. has constructed almost a 100 schools in a year in the Naxal belt....and almost half of them have been destroyed by these Naxals...and I am pretty sure that they don't pay their taxes...they have no right to call themselves the citizens of India...I support their cause but not their way...burning trains worth crores costs the nation...and is counter-productive.

Hmmm...I agree to the larger point but may i ask when you say Naxals whom are u referring too? People who are like minded or the people who have taken up arms and are actually creating a menace?? If former than we disagree but if later i am with you on that. Yes those naxals who have taken arms will eventually be destroyed but i am more worried about the people who will get sandwitched between the state and armed naxals conflict. GOI needs to be extra careful in dealing with them(recent gestures do give an inklination that GOI is sensitive about it) and ensure that a parallel political process is fast tracked to reach to the masses. Kill the support from the masses and you are all set...

 

[Gabbar]

Anti-Naxal offensive to begin in 11 places​

India’s bloody battles against the Maoists will be fought in eleven theatres along borders of Naxal-infested states like Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand besides smaller, simultaneous operations through the vast swathe of dense jungles that the Maoists call the Red Corridor.

India has 2.5 million people living under the shadow of the about 5,600 well-trained and equally well armed Naxals. “This is their fighting core besides thousands of militia,” a senior security officer said.
The government expects to wipe out the military component of the Naxals between 12 to 36 months. Already, there are reports of the Maoists moving deeper into jungles — and their leaders into strongholds like the Ambujmarh jungles of Chhattisgarh — in anticipation of the onslaught.

The anti-naxal surge cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) on Thursday plans to clear the forests of the heavily armed naxal cadre and deliver a heavy dose of development that will bring schools, health services, police stations and road building exercises.

“We hope that literally within 30 days of security forces moving in and dominating the area, we should be able to restore civil administration there,” Home Secretary G K Pillai declared on Friday.

But this exercise could be painfully slow and cost hundreds of lives. India has 223 districts under naxal influence, only half of them witness naxal violence.

The government has a Rs 7,300 crore infrastructure development plan for naxal-affected areas under various schemes. Pillai expects to spend nearly Rs 1,000 crore on the naxal-infested regions this year.

Senior government sources told HT that the home ministry had received support from the CCS on taking the naxal battle to the next level, into naxal strongholds like the forests of Bastar where the naxal writ runs.

While state police forces assisted by the central forces would carry out operations in their respective areas, the home ministry has drawn up a heavy plans to dominate the eleven tri-junctions and bi-junctions - inter-state borders between two or three states like Chhattisgarh and Maharashtra.

To begin with, six districts of four states — Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and Maharashtra — have been selected to implement the action plan.

Over the next few weeks, the government hopes to raise the additional strength of central security forces to 35,000 personnel who would clear out territory and hand them back to a mix of paramilitary and state armed police personnel.

 

[paritosh]

Got your point. Thanks for the clarification and you know what i really liked the way you put your point. Hopefully will learn from you in our future discussions..

well I liked your posts as well...glad to have you on the forum

Hmmm...I agree to the larger point but may i ask when you say Naxals whom are u referring too? People who are like minded or the people who have taken up arms and are actually creating a menace?? If former than we disagree but if later i am with you on that.

i meant the latter...cus I am somewhat of a sympathizer myself.
Basically whenever a behavioral study of two test subjects is done...while describing one's behavior...that of the other is considered to adhere to the ideal expected behavior.
in this case...while we try to figure out the Govt.'s wrongdoings...we consider the Naxal demands as being just.
When you take up arms....9/10 times you don't go soft.
This the same case with CPI(M)...they took up arms...when waiting paid no returns...they got the govt.'s attention...the govt. hastened the allocation of funds and speedy development...as has been the case in the recent past...the Naxals...decided to go forward in their revolution and decided that now instead of just control of their area and it's development they want the whole country to go the red way...that is what their manifesto reads...now.
they cry fowl when the govt. steps up to face them and deter their moves...when the GoI decides to take things one notch higher...it's going against the citizens of India...the usage of the airforce, etc are seen as depicting the ulterior motifs of the rich.
When you take up arms you should be ready to face the recoil that comes with it.
I support their cause but not the weight of their knapsacks.

Yes those naxals who have taken arms will eventually be destroyed but i am more worried about the people who will get sandwitched between the state and armed naxals conflict. GOI needs to be extra careful in dealing with them(recent gestures do give an inklination that GOI is sensitive about it) and ensure that a parallel political process is fast tracked to reach to the masses. Kill the support from the masses and you are all set...

that is what makes it too complicated...we might have to face a problem similar to what Pakistan had to face when the PA attacked the areas under TTP control...their might be an exodus to other areas...even the armed option is not easy.

 

[Renegade]

Oh you mean you are still sadened over killing of LTTE terrorists?

and please spare us of this civil talk because India is the only country in the world that had used airpower against own people in Mezoram many decades back.

Show me one credible news source that substantiates your accusations about the use of airpower in Mizoram??

 

[Gabbar]

Originally Posted by Jana
Oh you mean you are still sadened over killing of LTTE terrorists?

and please spare us of this civil talk because India is the only country in the world that had used airpower against own people in Mezoram many decades back.

So Pakistan is not using F-16s agains tribal people (Taliban)? Or do you not consider them fellow country men?

 

[Spring Onion]

So Pakistan is not using F-16s agains tribal people (Taliban)? Or do you not consider them fellow country men?

I have no objection to Indian use of airforce against "terrorists" or whoever creates problem for you.


My reply was in statment by an Indian who was saying Pakistan is using force against own people while India is toooooooo much civilized and dont use forces against its own people.

We all know about Mezoram. and now after too much patience India is also resorting to use of airpower against Naxals.

So in such a situation silly statments from Indians should not be there.

Do you agree ?

 

[Spring Onion]

Breaking News:

Indian Air Force all set for govt nod to open fire during anti-Naxal fight
PTI 10 October 2009, 09:14pm IST
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NEW DELHI: With government approving a Home Ministry offensive against Maoists, Defence Minister A K Antony on Saturday said the IAF too was all set
to get permission to open fire in self-defence during anti-Naxal operations after laying down safeguards and procedures.

However, he reiterated that the government would not involve them in a combat role in the anti-Naxal operations, which was the primary responsibility of the State government and central paramilitary forces.

"After carefully preparing safeguards and operational details, for self defence only, we will give the operational clearance. When we give permission, we will first inform the Air Force," Antony told reporters here on the sidelines of an international flight safety conference organised by the IAF.

"There is no proposal to deploy the armed forces in anti- Naxal operations. The IAF will have a limited role to transport the paramilitary forces and casualty evacuation. There is no proposal to engage the IAF in a combat role in the operations," he said.

The Defence Minister said the government was "very clear that we will avoid deployment of armed forces to maximum extent in internal security situation".

Antony said internal security was "purely the primary duty" of state governments and paramilitary forces and that the Centre would extend all help to them.

IAF chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik had a fortnight ago sought Defence Ministry permission to defend air force helicopters and crew members operating in Naxal-hit areas.

The Defence Ministry's stated position is not to use armed forces in internal security role and that the IAF proposal would have to be considered by a higher authority such as the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) to permit the IAF to use force to defend itself when attacked by Maoists.

If permitted, the IAF would deploy its Garud special force commando to man the guns to be mounted on the helicopters operating in the Maoist-hit areas for transporting paramilitary personnel and for casualty evacuation.

Meanwhile, the CCS had a couple of days ago given its approval to a Home Ministry plan to go on the offensive in selected districts of the states infested by Maoists.

The CCS decision against the backdrop of the Left extremists beheading a Jharkhand police inspector after kidnapping him and killing 17 policemen in Gadchiroli in Maharashtra in an ambush.

Indian Air Force all set for govt nod to open fire during anti-Naxal fight - India - The Times of India

 

[third eye]

I have no objection to Indian use of airforce against "terrorists" or whoever creates problem for you.


My reply was in statment by an Indian who was saying Pakistan is using force against own people while India is toooooooo much civilized and dont use forces against its own people.

We all know about Mezoram. and now after too much patience India is also resorting to use of airpower against Naxals.

So in such a situation silly statments from Indians should not be there.


Do you agree ?

Are u referring to Mizoram ? Where is the connection & what is the prob there ?

Also, the IAF shall not be used in an offensive role. Since the Para Mil forces do not have an air arm save for logistic purposes ( as the BSF has) aerial reconnaissance etc will possibly the task for the IAF, No attack helicopters here.

 

[Spring Onion]

Are u referring to Mizoram ? Where is the connection & what is the prob there ?

Also, the IAF shall not be used in an offensive role. Since the Para Mil forces do not have an air arm save for logistic purposes ( as the BSF has) aerial reconnaissance etc will possibly the task for the IAF, No attack helicopters here.

Hey if you have some connections in Indian armed foces do get some first hand information about Mizoram some decades back you will get my point that there India uses airforce.


About your last para well its up to India whether use IAF for offensive or defensive role in NE. I have no problem with that.

 

[third eye]

Hey if you have some connections in Indian armed foces do get some first hand information about Mizoram some decades back you will get my point that there India uses airforce.


About your last para well its up to India whether use IAF for offensive or defensive role in NE. I have no problem with that.

Was there ' some decades back'. My work takes me there ever so often..

Mizoram is a hill state bordering B' desh..AF in the hills ?

 

[Spring Onion]

Was there ' some decades back'. My work takes me there ever so often..

Mizoram is a hill state bordering B' desh..AF in the hills ?

I saved the data in my computer lets see if i succeed in finding that from the massive data

yes it was some decades back. The airforce was used in Mizoram. Though Indians say that as the sepratists were in jungles so not much damage done but the facts are somewhate different.

There was some complete thread about use of IAF In mizoram on an Indian forum too but i am afraid they have removed that last year.

But i would say try to talk to forces people they will tell you the story.

 

[cherryerror]

I have sympathy for those Naxal, the guerrilla guided by maoism. Because I know they are the poorest indian people in India. you indian's ruling class is the exploiting class and the Naxal belongs to the exploited class, so the uprising is only natural. yes, I know your democracy is fake.

Where there is oppression, there is revolt. This saying proved to be true in past china and it will go for today's India as well.