Nawaz Sharif to leave for Saudi Arabia

[he-man]

 

[Luftwaffe]

Again, you demonstrate your mediocre knowledge of Islam.
First of all, let me inform you that I am not a huge supporter of Imran Khan.
On topic:
You say that it's Un-Islamic to risk people's lives and threaten public safety to achieve your own goals?
Do you understand the concept of peaceful protest? PEACEFUL. The only threat that PTI's workers are facing are from the goons of the government, as demonstrated in the Model Town Massacre. And the workers are gathering there are doing so willingly. You can't take away the right of protest, for whatever cause the protest may have.
Violence? It's ****ing peaceful protest. The only violence ever demonstrated in response to any anti-government protest is by the government itself. About the spending money to help the IDP's, It's the official responsibility and obligation of the FEDERAL government to provide funds for the IDP's. The money for the protests come's out of PTI's own pocket and not the Federal or Provincial treasuries. You don't have the right to tell anyone how to spend their own money. Committing adultery? Please provide proof. And what are you suggesting? That a leader be completely perfect, bathe in milk each morning, and have not done anything wrong, EVER?
Delusional man, I suggest you clear your head of this one-sided crap, and start using what you call common sense. Judge the issue neutrally, after getting your facts straight. Your entire argument is based on rumors you expect to hear of Facebook.
I have reasons for not supporting Nawaz Sharif. He is a coward. A leader stays in his country in times of crisis, and does not run away to perform non obligatory prayer. You were the one who brought whatever little knowledge you have of Islam into this, I corrected you. It's up to you to accept that.

Wow now they want IK/PTI to sacrifice and Fix Pakistan's problems lol blame blame blame for anything on IK this just gets stupid. So yeah hand over Gov, I shall give example to Mr. Orangzaib how many PMs have resigned in Japan and Thailand and a few more Nations in span of 12-24 months when even a little incident like Model Town or corruption is proved yet in Pakistan these idiots hang on till the end suck the blood of Pakistan. How about democratically walk away from PMship in best interests of Pakistan No?. Protest is a liberal democracy this is not martial law to stop people from speaking for the rights of Pakistan, protest is vital for thriving democracy we do not want civil martial law admin to suppress people/voices.

 

[mave]

beta, memes se kuch nai honay wala, sai bat kro.

Uncle are you also corrupt ?

 

[Pak_Track]

Don't bring Islam into this topic. I hate to say it, but you don't have basic knowledge of Islam. You couldn't answer ONE question with Islamic / Quranic details from my prior post.

Btw, if you knew about Islam, the one I've read about along with Christianity and Judaism, you wouldn't be supporting violence. Violence, terrorism and extremeism come from the mentality that you have in Pakistan. The SAME mentality that IK is showing by getting people ready for a violent march to gain power, in this process, what will happen? Everyone knows, innocent poor people will get killed when he and his rich buddies will be sitting behind Bullet proof cars with police escorts. That you call Islamic? Getting people's lives at risk to gain power? Go read up on your OWN Islam and see how it differs from the Islam that was sent to you. Shame on you, don't bring up Islam as you don't know it well. Yet, you are using it to justify wrong and risking people's lives, like Taliban's do. No wonder we think of IK as Taliban Khan, this violence based mentality comes from that.

Next: Peaceful protest.....is that what he's calling for? He's issues threats to the government that no one will come back from Islamabad, we'll gain the power, this is the last draw and we'll win with whatever force we have......THAT sounds peaceful to you??? Do you think people like me are total idiots who don't know jack about anything? There is NO peaceful march when you try to seize a capital of a country, people going in to gain power will clash with the security and shots will be fired. People will get killed from both ends. Then, the government will be destabilized, the investors will say fu*ck off to Pakistan for the last time and you'll hit bankruptcy in the next 12 months, no one will extend you loans anymore, your growth projects will stop. The West will pull out of everything, and the power outages will go to 20+ hours or more. The economy will crash and the country will be stripped into pieces. You can print this post and keep it for your records. If the system is destabilized, your country will go back by 20-30 years, both economically and militarily. Next, you'll be forced to give up your nukes or they will be taken away by force. No one wants a radical government having nukes, a government who's taliban friendly and came through violence instead of a democratic process. So GOOD LUCK!!! Justify the fu*cking up of 200 people's future by Islam when you remember my post.

And if a leader needs to stay in the country in the "time of crises", another leader needs to help the system to DEAL with the crises, not spread violence to destabilize the system. Reread this statement three times and it might click with your head. Seems like it fogged up a lot.

Last, proofs of Mr. Khan's infidelity, I have PERSONALLY seen him many times in London with British girls, his Ex-Wife was a girlfriend of his, he's an alcoholic and he gambles, he has a daughter that he abandoned in the US and there is DNA evidence and cases against him where he was considered guilty. His current girlfriend is some rich guy of Kalabagh's niece. What more do you want me to tell you??? Google his past, you'll see. But something tells me, you won't want to accept it. So go ahead, show the world your country runs on extremism and those are your core values. Do these crazy marches, get people killed and see the results for yourself. When you get to "oh SH*IT" moment in the next few years after this situation, think of this post. At that point, you may not have anything else but regret to what an idiot like IK did to its 200 million poor citizens when they deserved a system.



No its not. What's strange is people like you who are supporting an idiots violent agenda that going to fu*ck over your country and its 200 million people who finally have a chance at a better future. So instead of wondering about how black or white I may look, wonder about how you can avoid violence, still manage to do safe protest and LEARN to stand in the line. When you guys come to America, you guys stand in the line as you know there is a system. But you won't build that system in your own country for your own future generation's sake!



I hate your politicians and have no respect for them. The ONLY allegiance I have, is to the constitution of the United States of America. A country with a system that ensures safety, growth, peace and stability for its citizens.

The only reason you see me here trying to correct you guys, is because I see you are digging your own grave. The world is not interested in having a country like Pakistan run by extremist mentality people like IK who's immature as hell. If he comes in power and does weird crap like supporting the violence against the current system, your country will be destroyed.

One of my ethics professor used to tell us, you can judge a leader's character by how how acts for his agenda. Using extreme views and trying to get people killed so he use dead bodies to get into power is the worst form of humanity and leadership. This is considered treason in majority of the countries than politics. Your next door neighbor India is an example, where change comes in a positive way. But what do you guys know about patience, system and democracy!

My point of view is simple: Do not destroy 200 million people's future that is being set right now. They deserved a better lifestyle and will all the investments coming in, these poor people and a poor country finally has a chance to grow. Don't ruin this opportunity because some immature leader wants power through violence.
Next: let a system develop and work its kinks out, learn to stand in the line and for your turn. Good change is always a change that's positive like in India, Malaysia, or the US or other democratic countries.

This is the type of answer I'd expect from someone who sits in the US and learns about Islam, from CNN.
Let me share with you a translation of Hazrat Abu Bakr's(RA) speech after election as the first Khalifa of Islam.
"I have been elected your Ameer, although I am not better than you. Help me, if I am right; set me right if I am wrong; obey me as long as I obey Allah and His Prophet(PBUH); when I disobey Him and His Prophet, then obey me not"

Pay close attention that speech.
For some strange reason, you are the one who starts the argument, then Backtrack's when you can't defend it, saying that the adversary shouldn't start the argument. Typical. Islam makes it a duty of the Muslims to overthrow their rulers, should they disobey or abandon the principals of Islam.
Secondly, you say that Imran Khan is threatening the government. Look at the scoreboard, the government has killed civilians. How many has IK?
What benefit it to the 200 million people if the investment money most likely ends up in the hands of the politicians. Pakistan would be much better of NOT depending on foreign aid and crappy rulers if it has a LEADER. Don't get the taliban into this either. The Taliban and government of Pakistan don't mix. Do you think the army would stand by and allow IK, Nawaz's or anyone else's government be pro-taliban. It's about time you played the Nuke card. Tell me, how many time's have Nuclear Weapons been used in action, and who used them? The country that did this, destroyed quite a lot of futures.

You say:
"And if a leader needs to stay in the country in the "time of crises", another leader needs to help the system to DEAL with the crises, not spread violence to destabilize the system. Reread this statement three times and it might click with your head. Seems like it fogged up a lot."

^that, is complete crap. If the PM leaves the country in time's of crisis, other leaders have to step up, and set the system right. If you have to fix a television set, you have to take it off the wall first my dear.

About IK's infidelity, you still haven't provided any proof to me.
And you saying, "His current girlfriend is some rich guy."
^THAT, is just wrong on so many different levels.

You say that you hate all of our politicians and have no respect for them. Try to get anybody from Pakistan to support yours bro.

The world is interested only in seeing a country that plays the the United State's interests. Not to it's own.

I agree with what your ethics professor has to say. Please stress that he uses the word, ACTS and not SAYS. Nawaz sharif's action were demonstrated in the model town massacre. Your point will only be valid if there is any IK lead violence on the 14th.

I believe in democracy and so does Islam. Just not rulers doing whatever they want and saying that it's democratic.
You have to stand in line to get what you want. But if someone breaks the line and heads to the front, you have every right to stop them

Have a nice day.

Uncle are you also corrupt ?

Uncle keh kr zulm kyun kr rhay ho bhai?

 

[mave]

This is the type of answer I'd expect from someone who sits in the US and learns about Islam, from CNN.
Let me share with you a translation of Hazrat Abu Bakr's(RA) speech after election as the first Khalifa of Islam.
"I have been elected your Ameer, although I am not better than you. Help me, if I am right; set me right if I am wrong; obey me as long as I obey Allah and His Prophet(PBUH); when I disobey Him and His Prophet, then obey me not"

Pay close attention that speech.
For some strange reason, you are the one who starts the argument, then Backtrack's when you can't defend it, saying that the adversary shouldn't start the argument. Typical. Islam makes it a duty of the Muslims to overthrow their rulers, should they disobey or abandon the principals of Islam.
Secondly, you say that Imran Khan is threatening the government. Look at the scoreboard, the government has killed civilians. How many has IK?
What benefit it to the 200 million people if the investment money most likely ends up in the hands of the politicians. Pakistan would be much better of NOT depending on foreign aid and crappy rulers if it has a LEADER. Don't get the taliban into this either. The Taliban and government of Pakistan don't mix. Do you think the army would stand by and allow IK, Nawaz's or anyone else's government be pro-taliban. It's about time you played the Nuke card. Tell me, how many time's have Nuclear Weapons been used in action, and who used them? The country that did this, destroyed quite a lot of futures.

You say:
"And if a leader needs to stay in the country in the "time of crises", another leader needs to help the system to DEAL with the crises, not spread violence to destabilize the system. Reread this statement three times and it might click with your head. Seems like it fogged up a lot."

^that, is complete crap. If the PM leaves the country in time's of crisis, other leaders have to step up, and set the system right. If you have to fix a television set, you have to take it off the wall first my dear.

About IK's infidelity, you still haven't provided any proof to me.
And you saying, "His current girlfriend is some rich guy."
^THAT, is just wrong on so many different levels.

You say that you hate all of our politicians and have no respect for them. Try to get anybody from Pakistan to support yours bro.

The world is interested only in seeing a country that plays the the United State's interests. Not to it's own.

I agree with what your ethics professor has to say. Please stress that he uses the word, ACTS and not SAYS. Nawaz sharif's action were demonstrated in the model town massacre. Your point will only be valid if there is any IK lead violence on the 14th.

I believe in democracy and so does Islam. Just not rulers doing whatever they want and saying that it's democratic.
You have to stand in line to get what you want. But if someone breaks the line and heads to the front, you have every right to stop them

Have a nice day.


Uncle keh kr zulm kyun kr rhay ho bhai?

This is not the right answer to my post

 

[Pak_Track]

This is not the right answer to my post

I guess so. No as long as I know I am not corrupt. I'm not perfect either.

 

[mave]

I guess so. No as long as I know I am not corrupt. I'm not perfect either.

So get rid of these corrupt people for the sake of future generation otherwise your and my children will be ruled by ( bilawal, humza and maryam nawaz) and do you want that ?

 

[Viper0011.]

Logic mate logic its not about pro or not its about who is right we have also criticized IK but it turns blasphemous to question pml-n entirely and zardari. He is sitting in US for who knows how long read about blogs about politicians and GFs and than comes believing where as Media has all the evidences against many politicians the funny part is entire Media says pml-n/ppp are corrupt but only Geo accuses Army and IK and paints those GFs and love affairs and illegal child stories.

None of the rant makes sense. SHOW me ONE proof of where any one of you "CRITICIZED" IK for destabilizing a country and calling for violent protests, issuing threats to the gov't and its institutions. I'd love to see it, show me where ANYONE of you crazy IK fans ever criticized that it's not ethical, religious or acceptable to an educated society to be risking people's lives through violent protests.......please show me the proof.
Majority of you live in the Western world and enjoy peace and stability, while supporting an egoistic idiot who doesn't have basics of leadership and democratic values down, but yet, he wants the power and he's so hungry after it that he is wanting to risk ordinary poor people's lives in protests. While he sits back in a bullet proof sedan protected by a layer of police and other security officers.
Yea, so I'd love to see some proof of what you are saying, show it to the world where you guys called IK's extreme, intolerant politics out and said that he should follow a peaceful democratic system instead of risking people's lives and issuing threats against the elected gov't.

 

[Viper0011.]

Now he is delusional what did he say forcefully, violently? destabilize? non has been committed by IK/PTI but yes we saw that in Model Town. So here is to him and below but sadly blind man.

What happened in the tragic indecent of Model Town wasn't done by the current gov't. I'd like to see proof of where someone can say the orders were given by the CM or the PM, or their staff. Trust me, when someone's about to get death penalty .....they'll speak up. Having NO proof and all talk means you guys want to cash the tragic incident for politicizing.
Why the heck would you vote and support another idiot who sits his lazy as* in Canada and come in to create "revolution". When people get killed like this and his as* will be in a legal sling, he'll cal Uncle Sam in the Canadian embassy to save his sorry as* as he is a Canadian citizen who went their for "ASYLUM" meaning his life was in danger by the Pakistani gov't when he did that.
Plus, just a few years ago, this mullah idiot used to say how he "owed" his life to Shariff family as they took care of him while he was sick and took him overseas for medical help. So they saved his life and he is issuing threats against the same people who saved his life.....while he sits his sorry as* in Canada.
WOW guys, I am SO impressed with Pakistani people's common sense. You are ready to sacrifice your lives for some mullah who sits 5000 miles away from you and has nothing to do with your country. But he comes in looking for power. Tell him to fly emirates again, they'll put him in jail and will file for terrorism and hi-jacking charges because he stopped a plane for his own agenda for hours at Lahore airport.
Such impressive record between this mullah and IK. Two self serving, egoistic ideal personalities you guys have chosen for "revolution". Try it and you'll see how your country goes back to 1980's. One has foreign citizenship, the other has family in another foreign country. When shi*t hits the fan, they'll be escorted back to these safe places and ordinary people will be getting killed in violence.
Democracy is the best revenge, peaceful change is always welcome and whatever change the vote brings. Whether IK or someone else. Change through violence and extremism should never be welcomed!

 

[Viper0011.]

This is the type of answer I'd expect from someone who sits in the US and learns about Islam, from CNN.
Let me share with you a translation of Hazrat Abu Bakr's(RA) speech after election as the first Khalifa of Islam.
"I have been elected your Ameer, although I am not better than you. Help me, if I am right; set me right if I am wrong; obey me as long as I obey Allah and His Prophet(PBUH); when I disobey Him and His Prophet, then obey me not"

Wow, did you just add more religion to it? Is IK (alcoholic, womanizer and a gambler) allowed in your religion to run your country?? I thought you guys adhere to strict Islamic rules.....so all of the above, makes him not even IN the list of leaders as he doesn't meet your religious and state's requirements to run for the office......???
Next: You are going in circles and wasting everyone's time. Here, so you can focus, answer my questions through Islamic point of view so my CNN based "Islamic Knowledge" can expand (actually, I think I can expand your knowledge of Islam by a large margin but let's try it for fun):

1) Tell me where does Islam allow you to threaten the current gov't, an Islamic state and lives of many ordinary citizens?
2) Tell me where Islam says support the people that have a really nasty past and present, gambling, women, alcohol, then turning super religious and supporting Taliban??? (this RIGHT here is such a strange shift it decides the whole argument right here if you think about it)?
3) Does Islam then support intolerance and extremism? So the west is right about it which you guy vehemently deny? But if I see your comments, supporting someone who wants people to go topple the government to fulfill his greed through violence, bloodshed and extremism, its all legal in Islam.
4) Is ignoring Public's welfare Islamic? Because when you try to destabilize a running system that's producing economic results, you are going to destroy the economy, which will take away millions of jobs created recently along with millions more due to increase in power outages, lack of international business, etc, etc.

So tell me the above 4 things from an Islamic standpoint. Unfortunately, people like you and your extreme views similar to IK's and mullah politics are the one's that make your religion and country look like its full of extremism ideology and that your religion promotes extremism. I don't think that's the case but Pakistanis keep proving it, just like in this debate!

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

No its not. What's strange is people like you who are supporting an idiots violent agenda that going to fu*ck over your country and its 200 million people who finally have a chance at a better future. So instead of wondering about how black or white I may look, wonder about how you can avoid violence, still manage to do safe protest and LEARN to stand in the line. When you guys come to America, you guys stand in the line as you know there is a system. But you won't build that system in your own country for your own future generation's sake!



I hate your politicians and have no respect for them. The ONLY allegiance I have, is to the constitution of the United States of America. A country with a system that ensures safety, growth, peace and stability for its citizens.

The only reason you see me here trying to correct you guys, is because I see you are digging your own grave. The world is not interested in having a country like Pakistan run by extremist mentality people like IK who's immature as hell. If he comes in power and does weird crap like supporting the violence against the current system, your country will be destroyed.

One of my ethics professor used to tell us, you can judge a leader's character by how how acts for his agenda. Using extreme views and trying to get people killed so he use dead bodies to get into power is the worst form of humanity and leadership. This is considered treason in majority of the countries than politics. Your next door neighbor India is an example, where change comes in a positive way. But what do you guys know about patience, system and democracy!

People like me? Did you even read my posts about PTI/ IK protest/jalsa/dharna/long marches here before starting your rants about me. I did thanks many of your posts because you were exactly saying same things which i was talking about here . yea i felt strange that African-American is taking interest in our politicians because we never seen it before that any african american interest in political affairs of Pakistan and giving such long lectures to correct us lol

 

[Sedqal]

Wow, did you just add more religion to it? Is IK (alcoholic, womanizer and a gambler) allowed in your religion to run your country?? I thought you guys adhere to strict Islamic rules.....so all of the above, makes him not even IN the list of leaders as he doesn't meet your religious and state's requirements to run for the office......???
Next: You are going in circles and wasting everyone's time. Here, so you can focus, answer my questions through Islamic point of view so my CNN based "Islamic Knowledge" can expand (actually, I think I can expand your knowledge of Islam by a large margin but let's try it for fun):

1) Tell me where does Islam allow you to threaten the current gov't, an Islamic state and lives of many ordinary citizens?
2) Tell me where Islam says support the people that have a really nasty past and present, gambling, women, alcohol, then turning super religious and supporting Taliban??? (this RIGHT here is such a strange shift it decides the whole argument right here if you think about it)?
3) Does Islam then support intolerance and extremism? So the west is right about it which you guy vehemently deny? But if I see your comments, supporting someone who wants people to go topple the government to fulfill his greed through violence, bloodshed and extremism, its all legal in Islam.
4) Is ignoring Public's welfare Islamic? Because when you try to destabilize a running system that's producing economic results, you are going to destroy the economy, which will take away millions of jobs created recently along with millions more due to increase in power outages, lack of international business, etc, etc.

So tell me the above 4 things from an Islamic standpoint. Unfortunately, people like you and your extreme views similar to IK's and mullah politics are the one's that make your religion and country look like its full of extremism ideology and that your religion promotes extremism. I don't think that's the case but Pakistanis keep proving it, just like in this debate!

Spot on dude, Pakistan is the last thing these guys care about. Even the rigging accusations are cooked up with many PTI members going to courts and taking stay orders (so cases linger on for a while). Over 70% cases have already been decided the only reason PTI is going for these dharna politics is because IK is getting desperate for PMship and knows full well that this govt will deliver if it is allowed to operate.

 

[Khalidr]

My point of view is simple: Do not destroy 200 million people's future that is being set right now. They deserved a better lifestyle and will all the investments coming in, these poor people and a poor country finally has a chance to grow. Don't ruin this opportunity because some immature leader wants power through violence.
Next: let a system develop and work its kinks out, learn to stand in the line and for your turn. Good change is always a change that's positive like in India, Malaysia, or the US or other democratic countries.

better life style while having nawaz, and 200 million future which u think is right now and in this current state of nation with no economic reforms,
life style, hmmmm, where there is no electricity, even in Punjab which was ruled by same party for 26 years, you made me laugh when u said ur turn, typical ignorant mentality, we cannot stand now for a wrong and incompetent government, this is not a time to waste, its useless even to argue with people who don't even have a sense of right and wrong, have fun in America,
Thx for suggesting to wait for our turn, hahaha, please think before or may be its josh e khitabat, lol

 

[Viper0011.]

better life style while having nawaz, and 200 million future which u think is right now and in this current state of nation with no economic reforms,
life style, hmmmm, where there is no electricity, even in Punjab which was ruled by same party for 26 years

Talk to me with facts, not rants. 200 million people's future is ruined by a year worth of government? And the violent marches have to go on now because you guys hate the current gov? Makes no sense. The people that are doing the work, should complete their work for their elected term. If they don't perform well, people should NEVER vote for them as happened for the PPP in last elections. There should be NO LOSS OF HUMAN LIFE to bring down the elected government to fulfill a playboy's last wish in his late age to be a PM of a country. No politics should be allowed that risk people's lives or a country's stability.
You comment about no electricity.....well if you LET these guys finish their term, it'll all be fixed in the next 5 years. Knowing many projects and monitoring some of them, I can say that with certainty.
I think you guys issue is that you KNOW how much work is being done and that IK and the likes won't have a chance in the future as people will judge the current team for the work they've put in. And you guys would rather bring down the gov't then letting it complete its course and show people what they've done in 5 years.
For the first time in the history of your country, there is electricity generation being planned up to the need until 2050. Your electric generation would've double by 2018 compare to what it has been since the past 70 years. All in 5 years. So give credit to where its deserved and don't pull legs. Leave a better and safer future for your own kids vs. becoming a part of an evil campaign that wants to change a democratically run gov't with violence, intolerance and extremism based ideology

 

[Khalidr]

Talk to me with facts, not rants. 200 million people's future is ruined by a year worth of government? And the violent marches have to go on now because you guys hate the current gov? Makes no sense. The people that are doing the work, should complete their work for their elected term. If they don't perform well, people should NEVER vote for them as happened for the PPP in last elections. There should be NO LOSS OF HUMAN LIFE to bring down the elected government to fulfill a playboy's last wish in his late age to be a PM for a country. No politics should be allowed that risk people's lives or a country's stability.
You comment about no electricity.....well if you LET these guys finish their term, it'll all be fixed in the next 5 years. Knowing the project and monitoring some of them, I can say that with certainty.
I think you guys issue is that you KNOW how much work is being done and that IK and the likes won't have a chance in the future as people will judge the current team for the work they've put in. And you guys would rather bring down the gov't then letting it complete its course and show people what they've done in 5 years. For the first time in the history of your country, there is electricity generation being planned up to the need until 2050. Your electric generation would've double by 2018 compare to what it has been since the past 70 years. All in 5 years. So give credit to where its deserved and don't pull legs. Leave a better and safer future for your own kids vs. becoming a part of an evil campaign that wants to change a democratically run gov't with violence, intolerance and extremism based ideology

Yaar what facts, where r u living, you made me smile, u need facts lets talk about it,

Human loss - Model town incident done by PMLN not by PTi, PTI let history biggest Jalsas in Paksitan but even not a small irregularity is reported
Electricity - example is Nandipur power plant completed but still not functional, cost is doubled to complete
Election - Rigged, they were not voted by humans may be by you
Term of completion - the same people ruled punjab for more than two decade and still we all know whats in there except lahore metro, and 3rd time PM, what u need more
Democracy - Article 245 in Islamabad from 1st August which shows the government failure.
ECP - Avoiding reforms and not open to scrutiny

Please wake up, and next time come with some concrete evidence and with argument to support ur ranting.
and if you know some facts and realities please do share,