Fawadqasim1
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This is not a kidnapping case - its an overblown accusation like throwing accusations of “assault” for pushing someone over. No FIR was filed by the police for “Kidnapping”. Police IG would at-least know how to file an FIR of his own kidnapping at-least. The sagga is about Rangers overstepping their authority and made the Sindh IG log an FIR - some intimidation and roughing up may have taken place which is the norm as per the “Thana” culture prevalent in our police stations (isnt this how the police treat general public anyway? Not justifying the behavior but still - as you sow, so shall you reap). The rona dhona of Kidnapping, breaking into bedroom of a woman etc. are all theatrics for political purposes.What do you think it is the chief was investigating, and what are these other officers being reprimanded for, if not for this kidnapping saga?
Never said they have the authority to kidnap IG Sindh. I only explained their presence in Sindh and the mandate they have in Karachi. The context is important for every matter. Your issue is that you want to look at things in isolation so maximum political milage can be given to a certain party. For an impartial and objective opinion you need to consider the context and the environment.A) The rangers are answerable to the federal government, they have no legal authority or right to arrest/abduct/kidnap IG police.
Isn’t the OP itself a personal opinion, the one ‘rejecting’ the report? An opinion of a person who is now a proven absconder and liar as per our courts? And aren’t you also doing the same thing your self - providing personal opinions on the matter and how “ridiculous” ISPR statement was. I consider it some what hypocritical.B) Irrelevant, your personal opinion here is not the subject. Also let's not get into whataboutery. We're talking about this incident, not what about x,y,z injustice. Whatever you think of Sindh police, kidnapping of IG is illegal and abhorrent. Period.
I never said Rangers have authority to “kidnap” IG Sindh. I said that as per the law, COAS has the right to discipline personnel under his command - and relevant actions have been taken. If you think Bilawal Bhutto has the right or the Ex PM has that authority to discipline then please cite the specific laws. You can be dissatisfied with it, just like ex pm is in his tweet. But isn’t this the most that even CMs and IGs do for personnel under their own command - transfers or suspensions at the most even for gross criminal activities? I am pretty sure somewhere in the constitution it was illegal for Punjab police to massacre openly in model town, but so far I know, not a single officer was reprimanded under PM NS leadership - who is seen here taking a very hypocritical stance for law and order. Mind you I consider a single innocent life more precious then the so called honor of a dishonorable police force - thats just my personal opinion of-course.C) No it absolutely does not, let's see a citation for your claim that the army/rangers have the authority to do this? In the past illegal detention has been attempted to be justified by using the vague and draconian protection ordinance, that won't fly here.
I'm no legal expert but here's my take. Last I recall Rangers were only given very limited legal cover for arrest and detention in Sindh under Article 147 of the Constitution a few years ago. This ability was solely limited to provisions related to the Anti-terror Act. That was limited scope and for a limited time.
As for arrests the Pakistan Criminal Procedure Code: Chapter V (Of arrest, escape and retaking), B. Section 54 (Arrest without warrant) clearly applies to police officers who see a "cognizable offence" (Definition (f) ), or against a person for whom they have reasonable/credible suspicion or complaint. Not even Section 155 applies here.
This is a case of Army officials deployed in Karachi in support of civilian law enforcement agencies and the civilian government acting outside their mandate, and the first set of disciplinary actions is for the military to remove them from their post.What report? All we got so far is a ridiculous statement from ISPR excusing or attempting to explain an illegal kidnapping carried out by multiple armed forces personnel. The explanations and rationale given for these actions within that statement are both astonishing and absurd.
The rona dhona of Kidnapping, breaking into bedroom of a woman etc. are all theatrics for political purposes.
This is not a kidnapping case - its an overblown accusation like throwing accusations of “assault” for pushing someone over. No FIR was filed by the police for “Kidnapping”. Police IG would at-least know how to file an FIR of his own kidnapping at-least. The sagga is about Rangers overstepping their authority and made the Sindh IG log an FIR - some intimidation and roughing up may have taken place which is the norm as per the “Thana” culture prevalent in our police stations (isnt this how the police treat general public anyway? Not justifying the behavior but still - as you sow, so shall you reap).
Never said they have the authority to kidnap IG Sindh. I only explained their presence in Sindh and the mandate they have in Karachi.
The context is important for every matter.
Your issue is that you want to look at things in isolation so maximum political milage can be given to a certain party. For an impartial and objective opinion you need to consider the context and the environment.
Isn’t the OP itself a personal opinion, the one ‘rejecting’ the report? An opinion of a person who is now a proven absconder and liar as per our courts? And aren’t you also doing the same thing your self - providing personal opinions on the matter and how “ridiculous” ISPR statement was. I consider it some what hypocritical.
And the fact that thousands of people have died under the patronage of Sindh police and govt is not just a personal opinion. Injustices are the actual cause of all conflicts - if we deal with them properly on time then a lot of fitnas can be avoided - again not a personal opinion but general wisdom that should be applied here.
I never said Rangers have authority to “kidnap” IG Sindh. I said that as per the law, COAS has the right to discipline personnel under his command - and relevant actions have been taken.
If you think Bilawal Bhutto has the right or the Ex PM has that authority to discipline then please cite the specific laws. You can be dissatisfied with it, just like ex pm is in his tweet. But isn’t this the most that even CMs and IGs do for personnel under their own command - transfers or suspensions at the most even for gross criminal activities?
I am pretty sure somewhere in the constitution it was illegal for Punjab police to massacre openly in model town, but so far I know, not a single officer was reprimanded under PM NS leadership - who is seen here taking a very hypocritical stance for law and order. Mind you I consider a single innocent life more precious then the so called honor of a dishonorable police force - thats just my personal opinion of-course.
In the broader context, its about time Karachi enters into 21st century where the civil police is solely responsible for law and order of the city. With ten plus years in Sindh govt, PPP should have figured out how to govern Karachi by now - just like other provinces have. Having army involved in civil duties will always result in unnecessary issues like this - as armed forces DNA is completely different. This is not a personal opinion - this is common political sense.
if not for this kidnapping saga?
kidnapping of IG is illegal and abhorrent.
Some mates here are soooo that... they forget to use common sense