NATO will never win Afghan war

[Zarvan]

When americans will run away? after 2024
You even couldnt control GHQ attack 2 times,remember mehran attack ..attackers ran away even..u couldnt catch them even



its ur myth that taliban getting stronger.They are merely in tribal areas mostly and cover 3% of A-stan.(Talk to afgans,as i talked).

We have signed fact with afgns earlier.Its u who are begging for the role in a-stan now..even begged for chicago summit..for what?isolation...

so dont fart more..u r not making sense..think abt present scenarios and happening

Sir we took only 8 hours to take them out not 3 days like your sick Commandos and we had the minimal losses than to you Indians and also America is already running away some pull out has already started and they have given the date 2014 and they will run away earlier than that and it is not a myth the whole world knows that Taliban now control most of Afghanistan and the day America leaves it will be matter of few days and than Mullah Omar will be again leader of Afghanistan

 

[Zarvan]

When americans will run away? after 2024
You even couldnt control GHQ attack 2 times,remember mehran attack ..attackers ran away even..u couldnt catch them even



its ur myth that taliban getting stronger.They are merely in tribal areas mostly and cover 3% of A-stan.(Talk to afgans,as i talked).

We have signed fact with afgns earlier.Its u who are begging for the role in a-stan now..even begged for chicago summit..for what?isolation...

so dont fart more..u r not making sense..think abt present scenarios and happening

We didn't begged for Chicago summit they invited us but what else do we expect from Indians who are now entering slavery of America have a nice day with Americans

 

[joekrish]

Mate I think Americans & NATO have had a fair chance after 10 years they are no nearer to peace or a solution. The time is arrived where maybe SCO should take a stab

I don't know if the SCO can make a difference but I'm sure Pakistan has a huge part to play for the peace of Afghan people.

 

[lem34]

America and NATO have already won.

Relate that comment to the OP. Demonstrate how and where it is wrong in your opinion rather than just a glib statement without any reasoning

Please don't club India with you. Not on this count at least. A country that has cordial relations with both Iran and Israel; Saudi Arab and Iran; US and Iran; Russia and US deserves far better than being clubbed with Pakistan. Pakistanis don't know how to conduct foreign policy. You know why? Because most of the time your foreign policy is made by cocky Generals and ours by scheming politicians. Generals' job is to make war plans, not foreign policy.

Hence the difference.

India in my opinion plays the role of an American proxy and have not changed their strategy since the fall of the Soviets. Soon they will have too choose between SCO or America

 

[King Solomon]

Relate that comment to the OP. Demonstrate how and where it is wrong in your opinion rather than just a glib statement without any reasoning

Let us analyse the Afghan war objectively:

The following objectives were defined for war on terror: (source: President Bush Releases National Strategy for Combating Terrorism)

- Defeat terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and destroy their organizations ---> Success as the terrorists and their hideouts were destroyed. Afghanistan is now ruled by a democratic (albeit corrupt) government not Taliban.

- Identify, locate and destroy terrorists along with their organizations ---> Success in Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen but failure in Libya and Syria where Al-Qaida has earned power.

- Deny sponsorship, support and sanctuary to terrorists ---> Success. Saudi authorities are now clamping down on terror funding themselves. No longer is Saudi Arabia a terror funder anymore.

- Diminish the underlying conditions that terrorists seek to exploit ---> Failure. Radicalism and fanaticism is increasing and becoming more widespread. Anti Americanism is increasing day by day in Islamic world.

- Defend US citizens and interests at home and abroad ---> At abroad, US interests were well defended. US military remains the dominant power in Persian gulf to ensure non-stop oil supply to the world market. At home, it is uncertain because we do not know how many more 9/11s or other terrorist attacks would have taken place in US had it not been for War on Terror. Many people will say about the economy. However, War on Terror has actually helped the economy and businesses in other ways.

 

[laiqs@mi]

Let us analyse the Afghan war objectively:

The following objectives were defined for war on terror: (source: President Bush Releases National Strategy for Combating Terrorism)

- Defeat terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and destroy their organizations ---> Success as the terrorists and their hideouts were destroyed. Afghanistan is now ruled by a democratic (albeit corrupt) government not Taliban.

- Identify, locate and destroy terrorists along with their organizations ---> Success in Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen but failure in Libya and Syria where Al-Qaida has earned power.

- Deny sponsorship, support and sanctuary to terrorists ---> Success. Saudi authorities are now clamping down on terror funding themselves. No longer is Saudi Arabia a terror funder anymore.

- Diminish the underlying conditions that terrorists seek to exploit ---> Failure. Radicalism and fanaticism is increasing and becoming more widespread. Anti Americanism is increasing day by day in Islamic world.

- Defend US citizens and interests at home and abroad ---> At abroad, US interests were well defended. US military remains the dominant power in Persian gulf to ensure non-stop oil supply to the world market. At home, it is uncertain because we do not know how many more 9/11s or other terrorist attacks would have taken place in US had it not been for War on Terror. Many people will say about the economy. However, War on Terror has actually helped the economy and businesses in other ways.

Ohhhh was it that simple???
what jews thought would tell you ???
we all know jews are controlling america today. and this is not just world trade centre or the fear of attacks on america or eu but it is war against islam . few documents came to media GOD knows only what is cooking behind the seens.

 

[PakShah]

Relate that comment to the OP. Demonstrate how and where it is wrong in your opinion rather than just a glib statement without any reasoning



India in my opinion plays the role of an American proxy and have not changed their strategy since the fall of the Soviets. Soon they will have too choose between SCO or America

It already seems India has already chosen USA.

India is supposed to be part of some "India-Japan-Phillipines-Australia-USA" axis, in order to counter China.

Ofcourse Aryan-b bhai, India is a pawn state of USA. Thats why USA did the nuclear deal with India.

It wasn't a hidden secret.

 

[Secur]

Let us analyse the Afghan war objectively:

Just answer one question ?

Who comes to the negotiation table ? The victor ?

 

[PakShah]

Just answer one question ?

Who comes to the negotiation table ? The victor ?

This whole War on Terrorism was nonsense from the beginning.

How can anyone declare a War on Terrorism, when terrorism is a tactic and not an enemy?

 

[Black Widow]

No super power has ever won war in Afghanistan instead Super Powers have been buried here from Alexander to British to Russia and now Nato + America now in Afghanistan people as joke say that we have heard that China is next superpower

I don't know the fate of superpowers but i know how sikh empire handled afghans. They beat afghans black and blue. Soviet union was on back foot coz of charlie wilson and petro dollars.

pakistani regular and pakistani misled youths fought against soviet.

Americans have achieved there objectives , they killed OBL. Americans were not against talibans, they were in negotiation with taliban to tap oil.

they requested taliban and asked pakistan to arrange negotiation, to give obl. Pakistan played double game, they thought to trap americans in afghan and reap blood money. Americans are clever, they fulfill there objectives, now they are moving on.


the americans are leaving warring state for pakistan. if taliban emerge again, they will first take revange with pakistan then they will look somehwere else.

It already seems India has already chosen USA.

India is supposed to be part of some "India-Japan-Phillipines-Australia-USA" axis, in order to counter China.

Ofcourse Aryan-b bhai, India is a pawn state of USA. Thats why USA did the nuclear deal with India.

It wasn't a hidden secret.

full of sh!t, india is not part of any such alliance we gracefully denied australian offer of any such alliance. India is pioneer of non alignment movement. how can we make alliance? why don't ppl go back and take some history lesson.

 

[lightoftruth]

what do ppl mean about winning this war? they are controlling this regions activity for over a decade wat else u need?

 

[Black Widow]

what do ppl mean about winning this war? they are controlling this regions activity for over a decade wat else u need?

ppl want total dustruction, means killing every living thing, cummon ee can not make these guys understand.

 

[PakShah]

I don't know the fate of superpowers but i know how sikh empire handled afghans. They beat afghans black and blue. Soviet union was on back foot coz of charlie wilson and petro dollars.

pakistani regular and pakistani misled youths fought against soviet.

Americans have achieved there objectives , they killed OBL. Americans were not against talibans, they were in negotiation with taliban to tap oil.

they requested taliban and asked pakistan to arrange negotiation, to give obl. Pakistan played double game, they thought to trap americans in afghan and reap blood money. Americans are clever, they fulfill there objectives, now they are moving on.


the americans are leaving warring state for pakistan. if taliban emerge again, they will first take revange with pakistan then they will look somehwere else.







full of sh!t, india is not part of any such alliance we gracefully denied australian offer of any such alliance. India is pioneer of non alignment movement. how can we make alliance? why don't ppl go back and take some history lesson.

Instead of uttering trashy profanities counter me with arguements.

India's non-alignment policy is just an illusion.

During the Cold War India was on the side of the USSR, even though India claimed to be non-aligned.

 

[Black Widow]

Instead of uttering trashy profanities counter me with arguements.

India's non-alignment policy is just an illusion.

During the Cold War India was on the side of the USSR, even though India claimed to be non-aligned.

we befriended russia coz we need them, our relation was professional. our door was open to americans, its only Americans didn't knock at our door. Our good relation with russia never was a problem in way of non alignment.

i have given argument, you just need to comprihend it. all american wanted was AQ, and world know how pakistan double cross them for blood money.

Hillary clinton openly said this fact, BBC has documented it on video. Americans were betrayed, Taliban were betrayed, what do you think, won't they take revenge? they se waiting for chance.


if american loose, taliban will take there revenge, if taliban loose,:!americans will.

 

[Secur]

who begged for chicago summit? who wanted role in a-stan and begged U.S to do so?
Who still want relations with U.s? who doesnt want isolation from international community??

its u ..see mirror..


its ur myth that taliban getting stronger.They are merely in tribal areas mostly and cover 3% of A-stan.(Talk to afgans,as i talked).

Begged for Chicago summit ? Are you smoking crack ? ...
US didn't invite us at first then thought hey what will they do except enjoying an all expense paid trip there without Pakistan since without us they do jack **** in that country whether you admit it or not ... So they invited us afterwards unconditionally ! Pakistan didn't even pay heed at first ... It was all set to be another failure like Bonn conference !
Let the Czechs decide all they want , Let the French think their next strategy , Let the Australians think of something to miraculously put that country in order , Let the Americans dream of remaining after 2014 there but without Pakistan , you cant do nothing !

Those Yanks cant even negotiate with Taliban without us , cant get supplies to that landlocked mess , cant negate our influence , ask Govt of Pakistan every other day for co operation and you are thinking we need someone to give us a role ?

Indians are desperate for a role there at the moment signing major agreements with Mayor of Kabul which wont be worth toilet paper the day Karzai flees Kabul ... Even if he doesn't , you cant do nothing because of the damn geography ! Interesting , huh ?

For the record , Zardari said a straight " NO " to Obama and made no promises regarding anything ... The coverage of the summit is available for everyone wishing to activate his grey matter , why dont you try too ?

Check again , they wont be Afghans since

Taliban Control 72% of Afghanistan, Surround Kabul


The International Council on Security and Development, which has fulltime offices in Afghanistan, said in a report that Taliban fighters have advanced out of their bases in the south and east and are infiltrating Kabul at will.

“The Taliban are now dictating terms in Afghanistan, both politically and militarily,” Paul Burton, ICOS Director of Policy, said. “There is a real danger the Taliban will simply overrun Afghanistan.”

“While the international community’s prospects in Afghanistan have never been bleaker, the Taliban has been experiencing a renaissance that has gained momentum since 2005,” ICOS said. The presence of the Islamist group in Afghanistan has increased from 54 to 72 percent over the past year, according to the report.

i have given argument, you just need to comprihend it. all american wanted was AQ, and world know how pakistan double cross them for blood money.

Yeah US spent trillions and lost thousands of troops just to kill a guy called Osama You believe so ? Really ?

Didn't they want to destroy Taliban and AQ completely and bring stability to Afghanistan ? None of which has been done yet ... The most advanced army in the world cant even defend Kabul properly let alone other Afghan cities , according to international reports more than 60% of the area is still controlled by Taliban ... Definition of victory ? Is it ?