NATO jet fighters fly on the Pak Afghan border

[humanfirst]

UK arms its submarines with US made Trident II Nuclear capable ICBM's.......why cannot Pakistan use imported technology to develop its own or even use imported ICBM's?

Such a capability would deter US from even thinking of incidents like the one happened in salala..

 

[SQ8]

Such a capability would deter US from even thinking of incidents like the one happened in salala..

Or attacking Pakistan before such a capability becomes operational.

 

[Windjammer]

Or attacking Pakistan before such a capability becomes operational.

Now you have confused him.

 

[SQ8]

Now you have confused him.

Yeah, the idea that a Pakistani can be not gung ho is confusing to some.

 

[junaid1]

who care's .as long as army will allow the drone attacks this will happen for sure . i have zero respect for army .they are assisting drone attack then what can we expect from this gutless army

 

[mylovepakistan]

who care's .as long as army will allow the drone attacks this will happen for sure . i have zero respect for army .they are assisting drone attack then what can we expect from this gutless army

sorry i differ a little with you,
if we learn to make correct use of our vote then i think drones will be stopped for sure...

so its our nation actually that is permitting drones to attack...

as for the GUTS...
i doubt you remember any of the heroes of afghan war like flight lft. hameed qadri and many more...

 

[batmannow]

Yeah, the idea that a Pakistani can be not gung ho is confusing to some.

Malik warns of secret op in Afghanistan - thenews.com.pk

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...hanistan-against-fazlullah.html#ixzz2ECacdyRA
no confusion at all?

 

[humanfirst]

Or attacking Pakistan before such a capability becomes operational.

What do you mean..?

 

[SQ8]

Malik warns of secret op in Afghanistan - thenews.com.pk

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...hanistan-against-fazlullah.html#ixzz2ECacdyRA
no confusion at all?

I would not trust his words anyday. It is just plain.. what we call "seena taani" (chest thumping).

This is not happening in real life.

 

[batmannow]

I would not trust his words anyday. It is just plain.. what we call "seena taani" (chest thumping).

This is not happening in real life.

you belive, or not but they NATO belived him, thats why they are in the air!

 

[SQ8]

you belive, or not but they NATO belived him, thats why they are in the air!

I dont think that's the case..
They fly regular support sorties..and in this case.. have simply become more bold in airspace violation as there exists a de-facto detente on that border.. as much as the "meetings" would have us believe otherwise.

GoP only needs a phone call for it to cower down.. and its pretty predictable that it was left explaining this account in the most apologetic manner possible to the US diplomats half an hour after this statement. And the response was then conveyed to the other institution who would then decide on the effectiveness of the "Sabre-rattling" and whether it actually got them anything.

 

[batmannow]

I dont think that's the case..
They fly regular support sorties..and in this case.. have simply become more bold in airspace violation as there exists a de-facto detente on that border.. as much as the "meetings" would have us believe otherwise.

GoP only needs a phone call for it to cower down.. and its pretty predictable that it was left explaining this account in the most apologetic manner possible to the US diplomats half an hour after this statement. And the response was then conveyed to the other institution who would then decide on the effectiveness of the "Sabre-rattling" and whether it actually got them anything.

Who is gona make tht dam phone call?
ZARDARI memocase, abottabad incident, that article he wrote after?
Thts the problem here, we can't jst take the phone & tell them to do what we want?
Its them telling us like allways, even after salala attack?
We despertly need change of commmand in the highest level of army right now, on the name of WOT we hve been the agressor & the victim?
Why their birds are flyin there?
Talis doesn't hve any airpower & its not the dam russian border, even if they wana check the infiltration of the fighters from pakistan against them ground forces with gunships far more better option?
I guss they r protecting their BW assests on grounds & thiebasr camps from possible PAK attack!

I dont think that's the case..
They fly regular support sorties..and in this case.. have simply become more bold in airspace violation as there exists a de-facto detente on that border.. as much as the "meetings" would have us believe otherwise.

GoP only needs a phone call for it to cower down.. and its pretty predictable that it was left explaining this account in the most apologetic manner possible to the US diplomats half an hour after this statement. And the response was then conveyed to the other institution who would then decide on the effectiveness of the "Sabre-rattling" and whether it actually got them anything.

Who is gona make tht dam phone call?
ZARDARI memocase, abottabad incident, that article he wrote after?
Thts the problem here, we can't jst take the phone & tell them to do what we want?
Its them telling us like allways, even after salala attack?
We despertly need change of commmand in the highest level of army right now, on the name of WOT we hve been the agressor & the victim?
Why their birds are flyin there?
Talis doesn't hve any airpower & its not the dam russian border, even if they wana check the infiltration of the fighters from pakistan against them ground forces with gunships far more better option?
I guss they r protecting their BW assests on grounds & their base camps from possible PAK attack!

 

[SQ8]

Who is gona make tht dam phone call?
ZARDARI memocase, abottabad incident, that article he wrote after?
Thts the problem here, we can't jst take the phone & tell them to do what we want?
Its them telling us like allways, even after salala attack?
We despertly need change of commmand in the highest level of army right now, on the name of WOT we hve been the agressor & the victim?
Why their birds are flyin there?
Talis doesn't hve any airpower & its not the dam russian border, even if they wana check the infiltration of the fighters from pakistan against them ground forces with gunships far more better option?
I guss they r protecting their BW assests on grounds & thiebasr camps from possible PAK attack!

because all of them ..and I mean all of them that inhabit that section of the Potowhar Plateu, are now thoroughly convinced that Pakistan is a lost cause.. and the best thing to do now..is to make as many apples as you can out of the withering forest.. before the earthquake strikes.

 

[batmannow]

Or attacking Pakistan before such a capability becomes operational.

Yes we saw them , what they hve done to us after the nucklear detonation we did?
Kid is right,its nt the we r the frist ones china , india, north korea hve it, & US hvnt done anything like u r suggesting & making kid affraid?
Wht they can possibly do to samsh sanctions & thts it?
For that with geo-politicaly agresive envirment here their supplies going to be affected & they will going to beg us their underwears down in afghanistan?
Bt all we need a ironman commanding our forces, which we don't hve unluckly?

 

[SQ8]

Yes we saw them , what they hve done to us after the nucklear detonation we did?
Kid is right,its nt the we r the frist ones china , india, north korea hve it, & US hvnt done anything like u r suggesting & making kid affraid?
Wht they can possibly do to samsh sanctions & thts it?
For that with geo-politicaly agresive envirment here their supplies going to be affected & they will going to beg us their underwears down in afghanistan?
Bt all we need a ironman commanding our forces, which we don't hve unluckly?

You seem to forget this...since you are only observing in one dimension.
After your nuclear tests, you were isolated from the world. Your products boycotted, your economy overburdened with loans.. and heading down the drain. Your military hardware sanctioned, the Nuclear weapons became your only(and mistakenly) assets to protect Pakistan.

Smash sanctions is easier said than done.. to you , who have not actually experienced the effect of sanctions.. the many people whose businesses fail because their items can no longer be sold.. or to those Military planners whose most potent hardware is left useless.
In even more extreme cases, where certain chemicals which are essential to life saving meds are banned.. people die and suffer.
Easy to comment.. not so easy to actually understand.. being gung ho is easy.. standing in the middle of the boxing ring shouting brave statements is easy.. taking punches not so..

A nuclear test was directed at India.. and the fact that India exists to counter Pakistan suited the US, even though the Nuclear capability dented their perfect equation. Since at any time, Pakistan was never a direct threat to the US.
An ICBM.. has nothing to do with India.. it is a direct statement to the US.
North Korea.. for all its squeaking has not been able to test any actual semblance of a deliverable nuclear warhead.. and with AQ Khan(and the associated Brass and Civil servants) no longer active.. the ability to extract knowledge is scarce.
China is not going to give them a weapon..
Iran in all its squaking has no capability other than semi-reliable rockets that work and dont work.
The simple fact is, a strike on Iran is up to the US..
After all, when they wanted to hit Iraq.. they made it up out of thin air..
what makes you think they cant do the same to you.
Once they have turned you into Iraq that is through sanctions, internal rebellion.. a devastated national integration.. etc

The supplies action that we took, had its toll on them.. until they used it to force restructuring and use other routes.. thereby reducing their dependence on us and now are even bolder in pushing us. .. Barking only works till the bigger dog decides to bark back.

An iron man commanding our forces will have little effect when all he has is land to defend and no nation in it.
Iron men may be able to hold out each nation..but if they arent interested in working together..
All that will occur is each iron man and their nations having their own states..
Isnt that what is expected of Pakistan anyway nowadays?

Attacking Pakistan or Iran.. is fairly easy for the US.. but it has two key objectives.
First, protect Israel from any retaliation. Second, if the "battle" can be won without the use of military resources, without a prolongued and hard fought conflict.. that it is preferable.

A concentrated attack.. on say.. Pakistan's Nukes ..would take resources and be expensive today.
However, say five years down the line, if Pakistan continues to become a fragmented state with the military occupied with tackling multiple rebellions and a complete failure of instituitions.
With paid personnel within the Military that would be prepared to leak plans and sabotage equipment in return for a chance to live the American dream.
With multiple independence and religious warlord groups..
it would be fairly easy to target nuclear command and control,production and assembly facilities.
And hope to take out as many of Pakistan's nuclear assets.. in the guise of protecting the people of the country from terrorist possession of the Nukes.
And the people, especially the ruling elite that would be leading the masses.. would not make much noise... and eventually after a hue and cry..
The sheep would return to getting busy grazing as much of whatever is left.. and fighting over the remaining fodder.