Nato helicopters violate Pakistan’s border limits (Again)

[mjnaushad]

If thsi news is indeed correct(dawn is pretty respectable in pak, no??) then it would be intersting to see the views of many Pakistani members who were arguing that deployment of SAMS is not for internal consumption and enough warning have been given. If NATO helicopters violate air-space then they would be shot down by SAM deployed after the sorry incident of soldiers death......I belive lot of indian members were marked as trolls for marking Pak action as "internal consumption"

Its 600 Meter only. With such terrain you never know you are in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

 

[Safriz]

Its 600 Meter only. With such terrain you never know you are in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Still it doesn't justify their multiple and regular violation of Pakistan Airspace...The good thing is that Pakistan is monitoring them.

 

[Ahmad]

Why dont Pakistan shoot down one or two of their gunships? Whats stopping PAF?

they probably cant, i am sure it wont be without consequences. dont you think kyani havent considered that? if you are concerned about sovernghty of the country, then that sovergnty(spelling?) have already been violated by the Afghans(remeber good taliban?--->haqani network) and al qaeda in terms of ground control.

 

[karan.1970]

Why dont Pakistan shoot down one or two of their gunships? Whats stopping PAF?

The same thing that prevented a lot of wars.. Political will and common sense.. Jingoism aside, does Pakistan really want to risk a confrontation with the US for a 600 meter intrusion in an area where the border is so porous and sometimes not well defined.

I think Pakistani internet warriors are overly sensitive on this issue. These mistakes are common in a war zone. Thankfully GoP has enough sense and maturity to treat an incident as an incident and not catastrophe..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

ít's a demarcated border, it was probably an accident.....it was loitering within those 600 meters for about 10 minutes; probably somebody radio'd them and told them to vacate the zone

hot pursuit convention does apply, but in this case no hostile engagement was taking place

therefore it was either a mistake, or as some suggest, it was a 'test' of some sort; I personally don't think that it was intentional, simply because Pakistan already showed that it is willing to close the border in the event of 'unfriendly' behaviour and failure to abide by rules -- it wont make the NATO look very efficient or accurate if they are not keeping track of their coordinates and location.


something needs to be done to better marcate the border, though this is pretty much close to IMPOSSIBLE task

 

[deckingraj]

Its 600 Meter only. With such terrain you never know you are in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Are you serious about what you said??? If that is the case then how did Pak got to know that they violated air-space.??? Is terrain different for NATO and PAF or is PAF better equipped than NATO to find out exact boundary of Air-space??? If we go by article then it says they stayed there for about 10 min....i hop you have considered all this before hitting the reply button...if yes, then may be you can throw some more light on questions asked....

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

shooting down a NATO aircraft intentionally would obviously be seen as a hostile activity and would not be very productive in the end; it would isolate Pakistan, though domestically there are many who would celebrate such muscle-flexing movements

when push comes to shove, nobody would benefit; unless of course war were imposed on Pakistan for whatever reason in which case alternate options and approach would be employed

 

[deckingraj]

ít's a demarcated border, it was probably an accident.....it was loitering within those 600 meters for about 10 minutes; probably somebody radio'd them and told them to vacate the zone

hot pursuit convention does apply, but in this case no hostile engagement was taking place

therefore it was either a mistake, or as some suggest, it was a 'test' of some sort; I personally don't think that it was intentional, simply because Pakistan already showed that it is willing to close the border in the event of 'unfriendly' behaviour and failure to abide by rules -- it wont make the NATO look very efficient or accurate if they are not keeping track of their coordinates and location.


something needs to be done to better marcate the border, though this is pretty much close to IMPOSSIBLE task

May be what you are saying is correct....may be this was a genuine mistake(which i doubt) or may be some sort of test....However one thing is certain which is they violated the Air-space.....Now what i am interested to find out is if there is an official response to this....Can someone here help???

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Are you serious about what you said??? If that is the case then how did Pak got to know that they violated air-space.???

are you really going to ask a silly question like that?

Is terrain different for NATO and PAF or is PAF better equipped than NATO to find out exact boundary of Air-space???

in many ways, yes......even a local tribesman could, because of familiarity with the geography, and landmarks

many people criss-cross every day. NATO's only been around for less than a decade in foreign territory. We know these lands like back of our hand, as it is our backyard

If we go by article then it says they stayed there for about 10 min....i hop you have considered all this before hitting the reply button...if yes, then may be you can throw some more light on questions asked....

10 minutes does seem awfully long....hopefully more information would come out soon. Until then, all this discussion is mere speculation


most professional approach is to wait for information before reaching any conclusions

 

[mjnaushad]

Are you serious about what you said??? If that is the case then how did Pak got to know that they violated air-space.??? Is terrain different for NATO and PAF or is PAF better equipped than NATO to find out exact boundary of Air-space??? If we go by article then it says they stayed there for about 10 min....i hop you have considered all this before hitting the reply button...if yes, then may be you can throw some more light on questions asked....

Dude. When flying sometimes you don't know where exactly your position is. The mountains look same. No boundry wall. So its hard to tell from up there where are we. On the other hand The outpost on the ground knows which hill is in Pakistani Territory and which in Afghanistan territory.

Get some basic knowledge then comeback.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Now what i am interested to find out is if there is an official response to this....Can someone here help???

the usual; i dont think anything major will be made out of this --unlike last time because services personnel were martyred, and there was much public anger.

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

I dont care what the world will think. Pakistan must take a very strong action against these cross border infiltration. They have already martyred 6 of our soldiers which we will not tolerate !!!

 

[mjnaushad]

 

[Tshering22]

If we shoot one down, highly possible it wont happen again.

If they're intentionally doing this and still refuting this as deliberate with some empty sorries, then do you think that they could raise voice that the helos that you (might have) shoot were on their side.

And at the current situation it is very difficult for international press ot verify the truth whichever side is speaking. Any SAM or AAA deployment will only spark an invasion and border conflict.

 

[karan.1970]

Dude. When flying sometimes you don't know where exactly your position is. The mountains look same. No boundry wall. So its hard to tell from up there where are we. On the other hand The outpost on the ground knows which hill is in Pakistani Territory and which in Afghanistan territory.

Get some basic knowledge then comeback.

Wont a GPS give you your position within 4 meters of accuracy? And a military one within 1 meter?