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NATO Forces Kill 13 Pak FC's out of a total of 27!

The video we are talking about. Is it EVEN RELATED??

No idea really.

But the US has released it as a clarification. See this article:
US coalition releases video of Pakistan air strikes - Breaking News - World - Breaking News

The way the narration is conducted, it appears to be an attempt to counter the claim that any structures (check post, or village) were in the vicinity - something which the USAF statements and images from the area clearly show to be false.

Also the fact that the confirmed casualties on camera are far lower than the total casualties, both those admitted by the Taliban, local villagers, and the FC. In fact the casualties on camera only equal the casualties admitted to by the Taliban.

Given the number of operations that were being carried out around that time, that video could have been of any of them.



Seven insurgents does not equal 11 FC men plus the other 15 or so wounded, and the dozen or so casualties of the Taliban.

This doesn't add up at the moment.

Well spotted. 30 or so casualties didn't just happen. The fighting went on for 3 hours, the US should've released a full 3 hour length video. I bet the fighting moved from place to place.
 
Pakistan's under officials should need to start whinning and start doing media releases for "U.S. forces not doing enough".

When this was happening during musharraf era I didn't hear this from you, I think the US and Nato take pride in killing Pakistanis in tribal areas after all that is what Musharraf war led us to.

The Foreign minister of Pakistan has been sent to put things straight.
 
Pak Army denounces coalition forces’ attack: Pak Army
Updated at: 1827 PST, Wednesday, June 11, 2008
MOHMAND AGENCY: As many as eleven security forces personnel including one officer embraced Shahadat when a border check post of Frontier Corps at Gora Prai in Mohmand Agency was destroyed by coalition Forces in Afghanistan through aerial attack.

According to a spokesman of ISPR on night 10/11 June, Frontier Corps border check post at Gora Prai in Mohmand Agency was destroyed by coalition Forces in Afghanistan through aerial attackin result of which eleven security forces personnel including oneofficer embraced Shahadat.

The spokesman condemned this completely unprovoked and cowardly action the FC post and regretted the loss of precious lives of our soldiers.

He also informed that a strong protest has been launched by the Pakistan Army and we reserve the right to protect our citizens and soldiers against aggression.

Pak Army denounces coalition forces’ attack: Pak Army - GEO.tv

I thought this should be added.

There will be a strong reaction, where is Kiyani anyways?
 
The video we are talking about. Is it EVEN RELATED??

US coalition releases video of Pakistan air strikes
Updated at: 1534 PST, Thursday, June 12, 2008
KABUL: The US-led coalition in Afghanistan on Thursday released video footage, which it says shows its forces targeting insurgents.

The video footage, taken by an unmanned drone, shows a first strike targeted at men hiding behind a rock, and three subsequent attacks on men seeking cover in a ravine. "It is clear there are no structures or Pakistani outposts in the impact area," a voice says off-camera.

Pakistani security officials say 11 security officials were killed in yesterday’s attack.

US coalition releases video of Pakistan air strikes - GEO.tv


The video is related to their **** appeal.
 
When this was happening during musharraf era I didn't hear this from you, I think the US and Nato take pride in killing Pakistanis in tribal areas after all that is what Musharraf war led us to.

The Foreign minister of Pakistan has been sent to put things straight.
Don't be ridiculous. There is no pride associated with "killing Pakistanis". This is a conflict that is taking place in some of the harshest terrain known to man with multiple participants.
 
When this was happening during musharraf era I didn't hear this from you, I think the US and Nato take pride in killing Pakistanis in tribal areas after all that is what Musharraf war led us to.

The Foreign minister of Pakistan has been sent to put things straight.
On the contrary Musharraf drew some flak from his supporters as well whenever a bombing went unjustified.

The difference between this and the bajaur agency attack for example is that Pakistanis were directly attacked for defending their territory against Afghan expansionist act of war. This wasn't an attack on Taliban and a missile missed its target and hit PA. Americans are saying all of their bombs hit the intended target. Hence PA was the intended target.

More importantly there is no talk of collateral damage. PA was simply the anti-Afghan force and the Afghan force was the anti-Pakistan force.

To sum this situation up:

#1 America supported the encroachment onto our territory
#2 America awarded the anti-Pakistan forces by coming to their aid when repelled by PA
#3 America killed defenders of Pakistan who died protecting their territory
 
So if both sides consider it a contest, then there will be casualties.

Yes absolutely. The point is should the US be involved in territorial disputes between Pakistan and Afghanistan? I think not.
 
So if both sides consider it a contest, then there will be casualties.

Yes, considered a contest between Pakistan and Afghanistan only, not USA.

I'm getting news that the attack was ordered from Kabul inorder to capture the peaks, if this is true the curtain falls....US's unveiled herself as not an ally of Pakistan.
 
The point here is that it is the US that is fighting the Taliban and the Afghans are merely adding to the strength.

In the conduct of operations, it is hardly feasible that Kabul calls the shots.

I just saw the news and the Pentagon is quite vociferously defending the action.
 
Air strike damages trust in Pakistan-U.S. alliance

By Zeeshan Haider - Analysis

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The United States and Pakistan will have to work harder to stop their alliance from souring after an air attack by U.S.-led forces killed 11 Pakistani soldiers at a border post, analysts said on Thursday.

There have been sporadic breakdowns in co-ordination between forces on both sides of the Afghan border in the past, but Tuesday's attack by U.S.-led coalition forces had by far the deadliest consequences and could affect future cooperation.

"They may try to do some damage control, but I think the troops on both sides may not trust each other and cooperate," Rahimullah Yousafzai, a newspaper editor and expert on Afghan and tribal affairs said.

Eleven Pakistani Frontier Corps (FC) soldiers, including a major, were killed in the air strike in the Mohmand tribal region, which abuts Afghanistan's Kunar province.

The attack came amidst growing frustration among Pakistan's western allies over efforts by the new government to negotiate pacts to end militant violence on its side of the border.

NATO says such deals lead to more violence in Afghanistan as they provide opportunity to militants to orchestrate and launch cross-border attacks from their sanctuaries on Pakistani soil.

From a Pakistani perspective, peace talks at least provided a respite from a wave of suicide attacks which began in mid-2007.

Well over 1,000 people have been killed in militant-related violence in Pakistan since then.


While Pakistan is unlikely to weaken its cooperation with the United States in the battle against al Qaeda and the Taliban, analysts say the Mohmand incident has intensified pressure on Pakistan's two-month-old civilian government to draw a line.

Previously the United States had a direct relationship with President Pervez Musharraf, the general who came to power in a coup in 1999 and became Washington's close ally in the war on terrorism after the al Qaeda attacks in 2001.

But the new government has asserted itself and U.S. diplomats and military commanders now have to deal with politicians who have to answer to the people, many of whom believe it is America's war, not theirs.

HARDENING OPPOSITION

Critics say the attack will harden opposition to drone aircraft missile attacks inside Pakistani territory which have become a feature of U.S. operations in the region.

"It will definitely have an impact on the relationship and cooperation," said Mahmood Shah, a former head of security for Pakistan's seven tribal regions on the Afghan border, known as Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA).

"There is a strong feeling among the people, the FC and army against such attacks," Shah said.

The Frontier Corps is a paramilitary force recruited from the Pashtun tribes in FATA. Aside from sharing kinship with militants drawn from the same tribes, the Frontier Corps soldiers are poorly paid and ill-equipped.

There are plenty of anecdotes about soldiers failing to intercept bands of militants moving across the border, usually told with scant regard for the thought those soldiers might be outgunned and doubt whether the effort is worth dying for.

Think-tanks in Washington have raised doubts about the resolve and questioned the loyalties of these troops, just as they often accuse members of Pakistani intelligence of playing a double game.

Soldiers on the front line bridle at suggestions Pakistan is tough fighting al Qaeda but soft when it comes to the Taliban.

"Do they understand the situation on the ground?" a stunned Pakistan Army Brigadier Ali Abbas asked Reuters last month in South Waziristan, where he'd lost several men in an offensive against Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud's fighters.

Hundreds of Frontier Corps have been victims of gunbattles, roadside bombs, suicide attacks, kidnappings and beheadings.

More than 1,000 Pakistani soldiers have died fighting in FATA alone. The militants have killed many more outside the tribal region in their asymmetrical war against the state.

Yet, the Bush administration is meeting opposition in the Senate against its plan to spend $750 million in FATA in coming years, much of it earmarked for bolstering the Frontier Corps.

Pakistan summoned U.S. Ambassador Anne Patterson to the foreign ministry on Wednesday to lodge a strong protest about this week's incident.

The U.S. embassy later issued a statement of regret that Pakistani soldiers had been killed, though the Pentagon defended the action of U.S. forces, saying initial indications pointed to a "legitimate strike" carried out in self-defense.

(Editing by Simon Cameron-Moore and Jerry Norton)

Air strike damages trust in Pakistan-U.S. alliance | Special Coverage | Reuters
 
Yes, considered a contest between Pakistan and Afghanistan only, not USA.

I'm getting news that the attack was ordered from Kabul inorder to capture the peaks, if this is true the curtain falls....US's unveiled herself as not an ally of Pakistan.

NO you thinks so. We were used under the dictatorship it is too late to bother budging and making new head way. Pakistan has to live with them for the next many years. Lets look at the options of restoring peace in our troubled tribal areas, fighting the US is stupid, the best return of immediate relieve to Pakistan is peace in the tribal areas, and then it would be better to challenge our allies' on their grounds in terms of diplomacy and supremacy.
 
The point here is that it is the US that is fighting the Taliban and the Afghans are merely adding to the strength,

The US can fight the Taliban without engaging in actions that hit at a very sensitive issue in Afghan-Pakistan relations.

This isn't an issue to be taken lightly - under the US umbrella Karzai and others in his government have made some strong expansionist and irredentist claims. There are many in the Pakistani establishment who view this with a lot of concern, especially given the historical hostility between Afghan and Pakistani governments.

Within this historical background and hostility, for the US to involve itself, fighting the Taliban or otherwise, in this issue was extremely stupid and wrong.

Perhaps some more time studying the regional dynamics should be in order for the US military.
 
NO you thinks so. We were used under the dictatorship it is too late to bother budging and making new head way. Pakistan has to live with them for the next many years. Lets look at the options of restoring peace in our troubled tribal areas, fighting the US is stupid, the best return of immediate relieve to Pakistan is peace in the tribal areas, and then it would be better to challenge our allies' on their grounds in terms of diplomacy and supremacy.

We should follow "Pakistan come first" policy, rethink and renegotiate our cooperation in WoT and dictate the therms and role for our support. NO FOREIGN TROOPS OR DRONES ON OUR SOIL OR AEROSPACE, period!

There will be no peace in FATA with continued US/Nato air attacks, the way we're heading will lead us directly towards a civil war.
 

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