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Nation's missile programme is not derived from our space launch vehicles


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Are our missiles riding into space on launch vehicles developed for satellites? Western think tanks have long suspected that the Indian space and guided missile programmes are intertwined. But such an assumption - often fuelled by security concerns about proliferation of ballistic missiles - seems far off the trajectory when one considers the relative success of our space programme and the not-so-good record of the country's missile development programmes.

The talk of convergence between the two programmes is based on the logic that both satellite launch vehicles and missiles deploy similar launch technology. "The basic technology may be same. However, a satellite is sent into space while a missile reaches outer space and then re-enters the earth's atmosphere, after which it has to engage the target correctly," pointed out Dr Ajey Lele, strategic expert at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis (IDSA).

Small fraction

Dr Dinshaw Mistry of the University of Cincinnati, who has examined the extent of links between ballistic missile and space rocket programmes in regional powers, said that missiles were derived from existing space launchers in just a small fraction of cases.

"In the 1980s and early 1990s there was some convergence between the two programmes because a 9-tonne, solid-fuel rocket was used for both India's lightweight space rocket, SLV-3, and for its Agni-I and Agni-II missiles," Mistry said.

Since then, he said, there has been considerable divergence. The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has built Agni-III systems that use 30 to 40-tonne solid-fuel systems, while the state agency has built the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) with 130 to 140-tonne engines.

PSLV, which last month had its 22nd successive successful flight from Sriharikota, has emerged as the workhorse launcher of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO). PSLV also launched India's first spacecraft mission to moon, Chandrayaan-I, in 2008, and is slated to launch the country's first interplanetary mission to the Mars later this year.

Mistry said "the space programme has been successful because it focused on one main system - PSLV - and has conducted over 20 launches of this system. The missile programme has spread its attention over more than five different missiles and, therefore, repeatedly switches time and resources among systems".

"Traditionally, India has had space and missile development as two independent and separate programmes. We have enough technical and scientific manpower who work independently on these programmes. The talk of convergence is Western propaganda to push technology denial," pointed out Lele.

In fact, space scientists said, ISRO's launch programme has developed constantly under technology-denial regimes after the first nuclear explosion at Pokhran. Though there are no formal links between the DRDO and ISRO, the movement of scientists between the two organisations and informal exchange of notes is not ruled out.

ISRO success

ISRO attributes its success to its multi-disciplinary technology development teams, setting up of appropriate research and development labs, establishing critical manufacturing capability in industry, development of elaborate quality assurance protocols, test and evaluation procedures and well-equipped launchpads.

Key technologies developed by the agency include solid-propellant motors, earth-storable liquid propellant engines, avionics and navigation systems. For the GSLV, it has developed a cryogenic propulsion system, which was initially imported from Russia. It is also working on air-breathing propulsion and technologies related to reusable launch vehicles.
 
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Isro: Does the job and achieves most of its national objectives.
DRDO: Does a shitty job and never meets the national objectives.

Its clear both are not related :bounce:
 
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If we had done that, then we'd have been testing 12,000 km ICBMs now.

Buddy, You can't completely rule out the links b/w our Space Program & our missile Program, in fact no country has complete independent programs.

Apollo (space) rockets were based on German V-2 rocket (military) tech.

While in our case, Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam has been the head of ASLV program as well as the head of IGMDP program, there is no way that these two are completely independent of each other.

But yes, ISRO has maintained a great distance with DRDO since it is a civilian space program body.
 
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We should had done that, it's pointless to separate two parallel programs.The former Soviet union converted its LV to ICBMS and vice-verse.
IMO ISRO may not transfer key technologies (Conformal radar,FADS) to AMCA programme.
 
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We should had done that, it's pointless to separate two parallel programs.The former Soviet union converted its LV to ICBMS and vice-verse.
IMO ISRO may not transfer key technologies (Conformal radar,FADS) to AMCA programme.

Nothing is POINTLESS.

India has played a MASTERSTROKE by separating the two (Symbolically though to a large extent).

We don't have capability to become a key space faring nation without active support from nations like Russia, US, EU, etc.

But these nations will not give us any space tech. if they see that it can be diverted to our military projects.

Space Technology is Dual Use tech.

That is why ISRO was in the blacklist of America & it forced Russia to stop supply for cryogenic engines to India, infact it was ready to supply us the tech. of cry engines also.

But we have been successful in convincing the International community that the two program are completely separate & now every nation is excited to be part of our space program including NASA.

But that haven't stopped us from launching dual use sats such as RISAT-1&2, TES, CARTOSAT series, etc.

Also there is a huge exchange of scientists from ISRO to DRDO & vice versa.

Our missile program do have imprints of our space launch vehicle program. As i said earlier, Dr. Kalam was both head of ASLV program as well as IGMDP not to mention he was also the head of DRDO.
 
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Nothing is POINTLESS.

India has played a MASTERSTROKE by separating the two (Symbolically though to a large extent).

We don't have capability to become a key space faring nation without active support from nations like Russia, US, EU, etc.

But these nations will not give us any space tech. if they see that it can be diverted to our military projects.

Space Technology is Dual Use tech.

That is why ISRO was in the blacklist of America & it forced Russia to stop supply for cryogenic engines to India, infact it was ready to supply us the tech. of cry engines also.

But we have been successful in convincing the International community that the two program are completely separate & now every nation is excited to be part of our space program including NASA.

But that haven't stopped us from launching dual use sats such as RISAT-1&2, TES, CARTOSAT series, etc.

Also there is a huge exchange of scientists from ISRO to DRDO & vice versa.

Our missile program do have imprints of our space launch vehicle program. As i said earlier, Dr. Kalam was both head of ASLV program as well as IGMDP not to mention he was also the head of DRDO.

Well I have also heard about this


Our missile program do have imprints of our space launch vehicle program.

True. One hint is use of truss between stages and practice of igniting upper stage first before separation, up to A 3
 
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India's ICBM of 12,000 KM is just screw drivers away (American acknowledged fact). The technology exists, but the political will does not.

really? ?any link..
 
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really? ?any link..

Look at the PSLV, india's workhorse that reaches the space many times a year flawlessly.
Instead of satellites put yr fav warhead.
Successful satellite launching countries like France, Russia, US, China all have such technology.
The main thing is re-entry tech, which india has mastered, so nothing more is hindering India on this tech, which is just a screwdriver away.
thats yr link.

India turned the process around, adapt ing a space launch vehicle as a ballistic missile. In the 1980s, India adapted a space launch vehicle, the SLV-3, to become the Agni medium-range ballistic missile. In keeping with India’s practice of describing nuclear and missile programs as civilian until their military character cannot be denied, India originally claimed that the Agni was a “technology demonstrator.”

Reports generally agree that the Surya program will result in several different missiles with ranges from 5,000 to 20,000 kilo meters.[5] It is widely claimed that the Surya will have the option of a nuclear payload, and sometimes the claim is made that the payload will consist of multiple nuclear warheads.

Reports also generally agree that the Surya will be a three-stage missile with the first two stages derived from the PSLV’s solid-fuel rockets. India obtained the solid-fuel tech nology for the SLV-3 and the PSLV from the United States in the 1960s.[6] India is said to be planning for the third Surya stage to use liquid fuel and to be derived either from the Viking rocket technology supplied by France in the 1980s (called Vikas when India manu factured PSLV stages with the technology) or from a more powerful, Russian-supplied cryogenic upper stage for the Geosynchro nous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV), which is an adaptation of the PSLV.
If the Surya uses PSLV rocket motors, as is most frequently reported, it will be an enor mous rocket with solid-fuel stages 2.8 me ters (about nine feet) in diameter and a total weight of up to 275 metric tons. This would make it by far the largest ICBM in the world, with a launch weight about three times that of the largest U.S. or Russian ICBMs.

U.S. Space Aid to India: On a "Glide Path" to ICBM Trouble? | Arms Control Association

An 8,000-to-12,000-kilometer Surya-2 would be excessive for use against China, although the distance from New Delhi to London is 6,800 kilometers; to Madrid, 7,400 kilometers; to Seattle, 11,500 kilometers; and to Washington, D.C., 12,000 kilometers. In 1997, an article based on information from officials in India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) or higher levels of India’s defense establishment stated flatly, “Surya’s targets will be Europe and the U.S

John Wilson, “ India’s Missile Might,” The Pioneer, July 13, 1997, p. 1.
 
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India's ICBM of 12,000 KM is just screw drivers away (American acknowledged fact). The technology exists, but the political will does not.



Anything to bakc up such claims. Would be intersting to know... Oh nvm just saw the other post Thank you
 
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Anything to bakc up such claims. Would be intersting to know...

It's simple, both PSLV & GSLV are capable to launch any satellite in the GTO (Geostationary/Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit) which is 36000+ Kms away. If we have the capability to launch a payload that distance away with a rocket, building an ICBM with 12k Kms distance is not such a big deal.
 
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India's ICBM of 12,000 KM is just screw drivers away (American acknowledged fact). The technology exists, but the political will does not.

Actually we don't need an ICBM with such a large range that it can circle whole Earth & than hit us back again :lol:

It's a waste of precious resources, our rivals are in our immediate neighborhood & A-6 is the answer for them, not any Surya. A lot of money is wasted in building these ICBM, testing them & than storing them, just praying not to be used anytime in the future.

We have to master the A-6 missile, ICBM is not our concern in current situation, just a waste of money for the sake of BOASTING.

So It's not about Political WILL but using your BRAIN.
 
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Isro: Does the job and achieves most of its national objectives.
DRDO: Does a shitty job and never meets the national objectives.

Its clear both are not related :bounce:

Also...
ISRO - works more talks less.
DRDO - talks talks talks talks talks and sometimes works

:P

Nothing is POINTLESS.

India has played a MASTERSTROKE by separating the two (Symbolically though to a large extent).

We don't have capability to become a key space faring nation without active support from nations like Russia, US, EU, etc.

But these nations will not give us any space tech. if they see that it can be diverted to our military projects.

Space Technology is Dual Use tech.

That is why ISRO was in the blacklist of America & it forced Russia to stop supply for cryogenic engines to India, infact it was ready to supply us the tech. of cry engines also.

But we have been successful in convincing the International community that the two program are completely separate & now every nation is excited to be part of our space program including NASA.

But that haven't stopped us from launching dual use sats such as RISAT-1&2, TES, CARTOSAT series, etc.

Also there is a huge exchange of scientists from ISRO to DRDO & vice versa.

Our missile program do have imprints of our space launch vehicle program. As i said earlier, Dr. Kalam was both head of ASLV program as well as IGMDP not to mention he was also the head of DRDO.

Buddy but they still didn't give us the cryogenic engine technology :undecided:
 
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