National Air Defense Command (NADCOM) - Updates & Discussions.

[The SC]

Very doubtful China will gift Pakistan a military satellite. Would have happened by now.

Make it in cooperation with Pakistan and sell it to the latter.. where did you see "gifted"

I am unable to understand this part. How can one launcher have 8 vehicles ?




This information indicates that each company consists of 3 systems.


I believe each company has one IBIS-150 air defense surveillance radar which provides search info to the C&C vehicle. The info is then forwarded to the tracking and guidance radar vehicle (which has its own radar that is not to be purchased separately but is included with every system). This makes me conclude that Pakistan has already purchased target searching radars for 8 companies of LY-80.


The following picture (edited by me) explains the details given by Haris Khan about each company of LY-80. It does not appear correct to me.

@Horus @Major Sam @Windjammer @The SC @Path-Finder @fatman17 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

\i think that the original icture in post # 1 is correct.. it has 3 systems

 

[Gryphon]

so yeah one company will have 64 missiles.

Each LY-80 company has 3 systems/batteries. Haris Khan's info about each launcher having 8 missile tubes appears to be wrong (Read my previous post). No HQ-16 has been seen with 8 missile tubes till date.

This will make it 12 x 6 = 72 missile tubes in one company.

 

[volatile]

Correct me if im wrong ,I think Naval Surface to Air Missile launches are also part of integrated network with push buttons given to Air Defence Units of PAF

 

[X-2.]

Pakistan has short budget so they invest according to there urgent requirement so good move and they are heading up,
Even Russian air defence is in talks
Just give Pakistan 5/10 years and you will see Pakistan as hub of Asia
ASIAN TIGER

 

[Basel]

Any Chance of getting Aster 30?? We should Also get some of these (East & West Combo)

Aster-30 block-1 is what Pakistan need to add now and block-2 after 2020 giving BMD capability to Pakistani air defence.

Edit.

Although block-1 have BDM capability but block-2 will allow to intercept longer range BDM allowing better interception of SLBMs.

http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Ballistic-Missiles/Aster-Block-1_a001130003.aspx

 

[notorious_eagle]

15 systems like in the last picture means 10 launch vehicles with 6 missiles each, that makes it 60 missiles per system, multiplied by 15 makes 900 missiles..add another 15 systems and it is 1800 air-defense missiles.. something I was wishing for Pakistan; a massive integrated air-defense network, which will be completed by the HQ-9 and other systems..This forms a (air-defense) deterrent on its own

What happened to the HQ-9 and FT2000 batteries that were acquired by PAF in 2000's? I am talking about the batteries that were deployed Post Mumbai Attacks in Lahore and Kashmir sector. Were they leased? Did we return them back?

 

[Ultima Thule]

What happened to the HQ-9 and FT2000 batteries that were acquired by PAF in 2000's? I am talking about the batteries that were deployed Post Mumbai Attacks in Lahore and Kashmir sector. Were they leased? Did we return them back?

just a rumors nothing else their is no confirmation from ISPR or PAF in the past

 

[YeBeWarned]

Very well put.

It is far better, for Pakistan, to have in-depth anti-aircraft defences than to struggle to keep up with buying big, shiny toys that burn up a hundred years of maintenance for thousands of poor and starving families.

Your point about not having intentions to attack India is also very relevant, in a back-handed kind of way. If you invest in these safeguards, and not in F-16s, your defensive intentions become very clear, and there is bound to be an immediate lessening of the tension in Air Force circles in India. If the trend continues, expect to see a massive shift of resources towards the more powerful menace that India has.

I only wish the Pakistan Army would do something similar. In terms of policy and strategic interpretation of that policy, I mean.

my point about not attacking India is that, PAF will not do preemptive strikes against IA or IAF .. so unless they are attacked or feel threatened they will try to avoid escalation .. but what i believe that PAF will be closely monitoring the situation even in the war times to find a Opportunity to launch a Offensive strike , i have mentioned it before and again that every Air Force or Armed forces in General have some Loopholes or weakness where the enemy take advantage of .. with existing fleet and potent LR/MR SAM's coverage they can pregnate into Indian space to launch some strikes .. but lets just keep this as a Hypothetical Scenario ..

as for F-16's they are mostly used for COIN Operations with Mirages and now joining the JF into WOT .. but JF will take more time to get some Experience points to completely replace F-16's for these Bombing the TTP mission ... i am very impatiently waiting for Targeting Pods from Turkey which PAF bought .. this will take away some load from our F-16's ..and for future buying , i am skeptical about more F-16's .. at least not until the New President takes the office

I am talking about the batteries that were deployed Post Mumbai Attacks in Lahore and Kashmir sector. Were they leased? Did we return them back?

really we did bought or lease some HQ-9 after Mumbai Attacks ?

 

[TOPGUN]

This is great news long awaited .

 

[graphican]

This is great news long awaited .

I think Pakistan is following Chinese model on that.

 

[TOPGUN]

I think Pakistan is following Chinese model on that.

Perhaps, whatever the case this was much needed so its being handled good move.

 

[notorious_eagle]

really we did bought or lease some HQ-9 after Mumbai Attacks ?

We did acquire them for sure but not sure if they were leased or purchased. In fact, the presence of these batteries was disclosed here on PDF which lead to some serious repercussions.

 

[Gryphon]

Why don't Pakistan have Sam beyond 40 km range. Or do they have any?

Pakistan has no SAM which can hit targets beyond 40 km range.

The newer ones delivered have 75km range.

HQ-16B was tested last month. No HQ-16B system has been ordered by Pakistan (yet).

Am I right in saying that a ground based CIWS is in the works as well? of Chinese origin!

Yes

Asked some people they said these are the ones we got. I think Quwa also mentioned it somewhere on that thread
http://quwa.org/2016/09/07/china-reveals-70km-version-hq-16-surface-air-missile-system/

LY-80 (HQ-16A) systems were ordered, not HQ-16B. It is not available for export yet.

I think if we go the HQ9 path as well then PAF will wait till a 5th gen option becomes available and only rely on more JF17's and old F16's if available.

SAMs are just a stop gap... they are no alternative to 4.5 gen fighter aircraft.

The best thing for Pakistan is to strengthen its air defence in every possible way, no air space should be left unchecked. If Pakistan can acquire Tor m1 air defence from Russia, (as it is already offered to Pakistan) this will add a strong punch in our air defence.

Pakistan Army purchased FM-90 (HQ-7B) instead of Tor M2KM and Pantsir S1.

Buk M2 was also offered to PA in 2014. But there is no news since then.

 

[monitor]

I am unable to understand this part. How can one launcher have 8 vehicles ?




This information indicates that each company consists of 3 systems.


I believe each company has one IBIS-150 air defense surveillance radar which provides search info to the C&C vehicle. The info is then forwarded to the tracking and guidance radar vehicle (which has its own radar that is not to be purchased separately but is included with every system). This makes me conclude that Pakistan has already purchased target searching radars for 8 companies of LY-80.


The following picture (edited by me) explains the details given by Haris Khan about each company of LY-80. It does not appear correct to me.

@Horus @Major Sam @Windjammer @The SC @Path-Finder @fatman17 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[Falcon26]

Make it in cooperation with Pakistan and sell it to the latter.. where did you see "gifted"


\i think that the original icture in post # 1 is correct.. it has 3 systems

Beg to differ but carry on.