National Air Defense Command (NADCOM) - Updates & Discussions.

[Ultima Thule]

Calm down sonny, don't blow a gasket.

so you don't have a answer for me, why you are assuming that pakistan has FD-2000, it's a wishful thinking

 

[Rafi]

so you don't have a answer for me, why you are assuming that pakistan has FD-2000, it's a wishful thinking

You are free to believe whatever you want, eh pal.

 

[MilSpec]

I see them here, I see them their, I see them everywhere, is it a bird - is it a plane, it's our Sam.

May be you forgot your meds.... Check your left drawer...

 

[Rafi]

May be you forgot your meds.... Check your left drawer...

You're the one who forget his meds - you pilagen.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You are free to believe whatever you want, eh pal.

so you don't have any info, just your wishful thinking, if i am wrong give me a prove

 

[Zarvan]

We need to go for 40 to 60 batteries of 3 to 4 medium and long range Air Defence systems in next 5 years

 

[MilSpec]

You're the one who forget his meds - you pilagen.

whoa, what a grown up comeback..... Bravo!

 

[Ultima Thule]

May be you forgot your meds.... Check your left drawer...

what a retard,baseless and wishful thinking argument, i am going to report mod to spread your false thought on PDF

 

[A2Z]

We need medium and long range SAM systems and in numbers.
Can anyone tell where Pakistan's integrated SAM network stand from 1 to 10? 10 being the highest.

 

[Wolfhound]

We need medium and long range SAM systems and in numbers.
Can anyone tell where Pakistan's integrated SAM network stand from 1 to 10? 10 being the highest.

4 because we only have short to medium range sams and those also in small numbers

 

[Viper0011.]

We need medium and long range SAM systems and in numbers.
Can anyone tell where Pakistan's integrated SAM network stand from 1 to 10? 10 being the highest.

I have NEVER understood that. To me, this is a HUGE failure in PAF's strategy. I can understand that Pakistan was under sanctions and all and add bad to almost default economy in the mix. BUT.....it would've been much easier to procure SAM tot from someone even in late 90's or early 2000's or even around or after 2010. Pakistan has a lot of expertise in the missile related tech, so by now, you could've added much more teeth to that 90's tech or whatever.

But as the IAF increased its numbers and PAF was going through the "lost decade", it could've procured SAMs in numbers and put in tiers of SAMS. Pakistan is long and not too much width so you could easily put multiple rings covering multiple zones or sectors.

Any invading force would have heartburn knowing they can be targeted from multiple sides as the layers / rings would over lap. That would give Pakistan a huge strategic advantage and would to some degree make up for the shortages in jets or bvr jets.

 

[انگریز]

4 units of HQ-9/FD-2000 were stated to be in Pakistan's arsenal by former Air cheif Rao Qamar. These are deployed to protect our Nuclear assets.

The another at least 3 HQ-16A were confirmed by an official document issued by Pakistan Ministry of defense.

 

[A2Z]

BUT.....it would've been much easier to procure SAM tot from someone even in late 90's or early 2000's or even around or after 2010. Pakistan has a lot of expertise in the missile related tech, so by now, you could've added much more teeth to that 90's tech or whatever.

I agree with you that Pakistan has not invested a lot in SAM networks but its not like that they have done nothing. Due to the sanctions a lot of setbacks were faced but as soon as they were lifted Pakistan did whatever was possible considering the economic conditions, SPADA 2000 was bought in 2010. As far as domestic work is considered PA focused on indigenous Anza (short range MANPAD) apart from this it is always said Pakistan posses FT-2000.
Even FM-90 was reveled during 23rd March Parade and before that no one knew Pakistan had them.

So to conclude I would agree that yes more should have and should be done regarding SAM networks but some advancements have been made. We should not forget that PA and PAF do not reveal the air defense systems they posses and if they do, exact quantity is never told.

 

[Basel]

Pakistan should also look into these type of systems as they can be good force multiplier and can fill gaps where needed.

 

[vizier]

Sam is to protect airbases and nuclear sites for surprise attacks for a short period of time. Planes on the ground will be no good if the runways or even plane hangars are destroyed.

That being said considering the S300 system it can be said that its range is unmatched but future potential buyers need to be concerned about its field performance. S300 was breached many times by israel before and S400 once today by israel. After India purchase israel as a close ally will find every glitch in S400 as well and transfer to nato. For India who is good with israel and usa it does not seem to be a problem but for other potential buyers need to be concerned more with Chinese systems which seem to be better for example Pakistans quick reaction point airbase defence needs to replace old hq2 sams.

A 100-150km range high altitude system(HQ9 or similar) will be enough to protect airbases and nuclear sites from a quick surprise high altitude boming(like israel does in Syria often taking out strategic targets and airforce cannot respond to the quick attacks). There are alrady low altitude systems to take out low flying cruise missile long range attacks like HQ16.

There are lpi measures like frequency hopping, scan pattern and modulation, beamforming but these measures hiding the radar from enemy recievers is debatable. Maybe there are confidential ones as well since there is this vulnurability issue of radars or emitters.

For harms or position detection for a gps bomb attack a cheap mechanical decoy system perhaps will do the job that transmits same radar signals towards targets mechanically turning their dishes towards targets guided by the real radar. Targets will see many radars tracking them instead of one that would highly complicate the situation for the enemy.

Laser can also protect sam radars from close but several batteries are needed to protect single radar as each of them recharges after each shot considering a saturation attack.