NASR Opens New Chapter in India-Pakistan Arms Race.

[Bang Galore]

Except the Smerch is just a projectile..nothing more..
You can escape getting hit bad from a smerch strike.. not a missile that can follow you around.. with a small tactical nuke.

Well maybe. This argument of using a small tactical nuke doesn't convince me much ( even if used inside Pakistani territory). Why on earth would you go nuclear & not deliver an overwhelming first strike and then hope for the best rather than actually be blamed for a first use & then hope that India would not follow her doctrine to the fullest. The worst of all possible outcomes - an relatively ineffectual first strike which opens you up for massive retaliation and pretty much no sympathy from anyone since you started it.

 

[SQ8]

I know but just wanted to show that this is not worth the hype this is receiving.

And please not this 'Tactical' stuff again. There is no such thing as far as our NFU doctrine is concerned.

If there ever was tactics involved in the "cold start" strategy..
There would never be "tactical" needs for a strategic force.

 

[KS]

If there ever was tactics involved in the "cold start" strategy..
There would never be "tactical" needs for a strategic force.

Yaar there is no such definite thing as Cold Start strategy.

After the 2002 stand-off the IA just wanted to reduce the troop mobilization time from the unacceptable time those days to about half of that time (which would/should have been the objective of any Army). The steps taken for that was given a mythical name - Cold Start - along with some media additions spun around the core concept.

 

[SQ8]

Yaar there is no such definite thing as Cold Start strategy.

After the 2002 stand-off the IA just wanted to reduce the troop mobilization time from the unacceptable time those days to about half of that time (which would/should have been the objective of any Army). The steps taken for that was given a mythical name - Cold Start - along with some media additions spun around the core concept.

Hence the pun if you understood it.

 

[KS]

Hence the pun if you understood it.

Sorry, I have not fully understood what is in your mind. Please elaborate a bit.

 

[ares]

Except the Smerch is just a projectile..nothing more..
You can escape getting hit bad from a smerch strike.. not a missile that can follow you around.. with a small tactical nuke.

So is ballistic missile..they both are projectiles..except ballistic missile follows a fixed parabolic path and has fixed flight trajectory.

Unlike cruise missile, ballistic missiles have a very limited maneuvering capability and they can not follow you around but only hit fixed land targets.

Difference between a rocket and a ballistic missile is .. ballistic missiles are powered only during first phase of its flight(ie boost phase), whereas rockets (and cruise missile too) are powered during their entire flight.

Advantages that a ballistic missile has over a unguided/guided rocket or cruise missile is that they can carry higher payload and have longer range(though that is not the case here.)

 

[rudrakx]

So which nuclear weapon Pakistan would use first ? tactical first or strategic first ?

 

[SQ8]

Ah.. but here is the difference..
The Nasr is powered all the way, so shall it be called a ballistic missile??.. incorporates something the Chinese have been working on for their DF-21D..
being able to pull off double digit G maneuvers to change course.. specifically involving moving targets..

the closest I can come up with to what the NASR is ...
Iskander / SS-26

 

[ares]

Ah.. but here is the difference..
The Nasr is powered all the way, so shall it be called a ballistic missile??.. incorporates something the Chinese have been working on for their DF-21D..
being able to pull off double digit G maneuvers to change course.. specifically involving moving targets..

the closest I can come up with to what the NASR is ...
Iskander / SS-26

If its powered all the way ..that means it is hybrid missile like Shaurya
Broadsword: Shaurya surfaces as India’s underwater nuclear missile: New “hybrid” technology more advanced than China’s or Pakistan’s
Though it does not have its range, payload or speed.

Even Df-21 missiles are not powered through their entire flight but only boost phase but rely on maneuverable reentry vehicle to land to achieve low CEP on a moving target..which is not possible on NASR, as it has non separable warhead.

ISKANDER- M is a theatre ballistic missile whereas NASR is a BRBM .
NASR is similar too Frog-7 or Hatf -1

9K52 Luna-M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Except the Smerch is just a projectile..nothing more..
You can escape getting hit bad from a smerch strike.. not a missile that can follow you around.. with a small tactical nuke.

You can escape one projectile, but not a barrage of projectiles. Smerch has rocket types with submunitions warheads that can cover wide areas with anti-armor or fragmentation munitions, neutralizing concentrations of armor and troops.

Pakistan already has chinease version of smerch that can be used to neutralize a huge area within seconds.

 

[SQ8]

If its powered all the way ..that means it is hybrid missile like Shaurya
Broadsword: Shaurya surfaces as India’s underwater nuclear missile: New “hybrid” technology more advanced than China’s or Pakistan’s
Though it does not have its range, payload or speed.

Even Df-21 missiles are not powered through their entire flight but only boost phase but rely on maneuverable reentry vehicle to land to achieve low CEP on a moving target..which is not possible on NASR, as it has non separable warhead.

ISKANDER- M is a theatre ballistic missile whereas NASR is a BRBM .
NASR is similar too Frog-7 or Hatf -1

9K52 Luna-M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure.. you're the one sitting working long hours in the R&D in Pakistan..
whatever you say man..

 

[RazorMC]

Well maybe. This argument of using a small tactical nuke doesn't convince me much ( even if used inside Pakistani territory). Why on earth would you go nuclear & not deliver an overwhelming first strike and then hope for the best rather than actually be blamed for a first use & then hope that India would not follow her doctrine to the fullest. The worst of all possible outcomes - an relatively ineffectual first strike which opens you up for massive retaliation and pretty much no sympathy from anyone since you started it.

Well, Pakistan is not going to use Nasr alone. Why would we waste an IRBM or MRBM for close-ranges ?
It is more effective to use smaller platforms for tactical strikes in combination with other missiles for deeper strikes.

So there is every possibility for an overwhelming first-strike and ... has Pakistan ever denied second-strike capabilities ?

 

[praveen]

thanks to this test the pakistanis have ensured that they will face an overwelming nuclear strike in the case of the use of a tactical nuke.

 

[praveen]

by the way.If Pakistan tries to use a nuke it means they are ready to burn their babies by indian nuclear fires acc to the burning babies concept so i call this bluff

 

[praveen]

all this tactical nukes mean they no more keep their nukes in component form so easier to locate and destroy pak's nuke doctrine itself is bluff