NASA furious after India missile test risked COLLISION with International Space Station

[El Sidd]

@Joe Shearer will probably come here and blame @I S I that he withheld the information and let it happen.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

I know a few rules that space cannot be armed. Space is a common heritage of humanity. The numbers of satellite slots for each country in geostationary orbit are fixed.

"The Convention on International Liability for Damage Caused by Space Objects", also known as the Space Liability Convention, is a treaty from 1972 that expands on the liability rules created in the Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

States (countries) bear international responsibility for all space objects that are launched within their territory. This means that regardless of who launches the space object, if it was launched from State A's territory, or from State A's facility, or if State A caused the launch to happen, then State A is fully liable for damages that result from that space object.

Claims under the Liability Convention must be brought by the state against a state. The Convention was created to supplement existing and future national laws providing compensation to parties injured by space activities. Whereas under most national legal systems an individual or a corporation may bring a lawsuit against another individual or another corporation, under the Liability Convention claims must be brought on the state level only. This means that if an individual is injured by a space object and wishes to seek compensation under the Liability Convention, the individual must arrange for his or her country to make a claim against the country that launched the space object that caused the damage.

Depends on if anyone wants to take action against India for reckless actions and endangering the ISS.

It increased the risk of small debris hitting the ISS by 44% over the 10 days immediately afterwards.

Of those, 24 went above the ISS at the point furthest from its orbit of the earth.

 

[El Sidd]

"The Convention on International Liability for Damage Caused by Space Objects", also known as the Space Liability Convention, is a treaty from 1972 that expands on the liability rules created in the Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

States (countries) bear international responsibility for all space objects that are launched within their territory. This means that regardless of who launches the space object, if it was launched from State A's territory, or from State A's facility, or if State A caused the launch to happen, then State A is fully liable for damages that result from that space object.

Claims under the Liability Convention must be brought by the state against a state. The Convention was created to supplement existing and future national laws providing compensation to parties injured by space activities. Whereas under most national legal systems an individual or a corporation may bring a lawsuit against another individual or another corporation, under the Liability Convention claims must be brought on the state level only. This means that if an individual is injured by a space object and wishes to seek compensation under the Liability Convention, the individual must arrange for his or her country to make a claim against the country that launched the space object that caused the damage.

Depends on if anyone wants to take action against India for reckless actions and endangering the ISS.

It can happen again and again and again.

India is a risk that the world has to live with i guess.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

It can happen again and again and again.

India is a risk that the world has to live with i guess.

NASA is not stupid, they have much more experience and knowledge than India, and if they are saying that India is putting the ISS at risk then that must mean something.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

DAWN also reported this and Indians are triggered in the comment section, hit a raw nerve here.



Nasa chief terms India's destruction of one of its satellites a 'terrible thing'


The head of NASA has branded India's destruction of one of its satellites — that created 400 pieces of orbital debris and led to new dangers for astronauts aboard the International Space Station (ISS) — a “terrible thing”.

Jim Bridenstine was addressing employees of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration on Monday, five days after India shot down a low-orbiting satellite in a missile test to prove it was among the world's advanced space powers.

Not all of the pieces were big enough to track, Bridenstine explained.

“What we are tracking right now, objects big enough to track — we're talking about 10 centimeters [six inches] or bigger — about 60 pieces have been tracked.”

The Indian satellite was destroyed at a relatively low altitude of 180 miles [300 kilometers], well below the ISS and most satellites in orbit. But 24 of the pieces “are going above the apogee of the International Space Station”, said Bridenstine.

“That is a terrible, terrible thing to create an event that sends debris at an apogee that goes above the International Space Station,” he continued, adding: “That kind of activity is not compatible with the future of human spaceflight.”

“It's unacceptable and Nasa needs to be very clear about what its impact to us is.”

The US military tracks objects in space to predict the collision risk for the ISS and for satellites. They are currently tracking 23,000 objects larger than 10 centimeters. That includes about 10,000 pieces of space debris, of which nearly 3,000 were created by a single event: a Chinese anti-satellite test in 2007 at 530 miles from the surface.

As a result of the Indian test, the risk of collision with the ISS has increased by 44 percent over 10 days, Bridenstine said. The risk, however, will dissipate over time as much of the debris will burn up as it enters the atmosphere.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi last week announced that the country had destroyed a low-orbiting satellite in a missile test, becoming the fourth country in the world to have carried out the feat.

"This is a proud moment for India," the prime minister had said in his first televised national address since late 2016.

"India has registered its name in the list of space superpowers. Until now, only three countries had achieved this feat," he said, just weeks before the country goes to the polls.

Pakistan, in a statement through the Foreign Office, had stated it "has been a strong proponent of the prevention of arms race in outer space".

The statement asserted that space is a "common heritage of mankind" and as such responsibility falls on every nation "to avoid actions which can lead to the militarisation of this arena".



https://www.dawn.com/news/1473434/n...ion-of-one-of-its-satellites-a-terrible-thing

 

[El Sidd]

NASA is not stupid, they have much more experience and knowledge than India, and if they are saying that India is putting the ISS at risk then that must mean something.

How do you stop them from trying?

Its not like Trump who is actually building a Alien Fighting Task Force will forbid India and either take over the program or have it sanctioned under duress of trade wars.

Come on man. Be realistic.

 

[Tom M]

Shhhhh.... Is something burning in this thread ??? LOL

 

[manga]

So at least people have moved forward from the dumb argument that there was no asat test.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

How do you stop them from trying?

Its not like Trump who is actually building a Alien Fighting Task Force will forbid India and either take over the program or have it sanctioned under duress of trade wars.

Come on man. Be realistic.

You cant stop anyone from trying, but when it places others at risk then it becomes an issue. I guess when identifying the real risks to space and the human race you would conclude it is humans, not aliens, that present the biggest danger.

 

[El Sidd]

You cant stop anyone from trying, but when it places others at risk then it becomes an issue. I guess when identifying the real risks to space and the human race you would conclude it is humans, not aliens, that present the biggest danger.

I am not interested in humans. If you got some juice on the aliens, tell me.

So if there are rules of space. There will be restrictions too. India is atleast 50 years behind in space technology and should not be allowed such adventures for another 10 years atleast.

You would expect Pakistan to make this point or lobby for it? No. It does not have to. India is on autopilot to implosion. We are just smiling witness.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

So if there are rules of space. There will be restrictions too. India is atleast 50 years behind in space technology and should not be allowed such adventures for another 10 years atleast.

Yes that is what NASA is effectively saying:

"That kind of activity is not compatible with the future of human spaceflight."

"It is not acceptable for us to allow people to create orbital debris fields that put our people at risk.”

India’s satellite missile test a “terrible, terrible thing” that threatens the International Space Station.

 

[hunter_hunted]

NASA should know that India was already exploring space in 6000BCE.

They are just being jealous of Modi and his ambitions.

And Modi waves

 

[El Sidd]

Yes that is what NASA is effectively saying:

I should sue Nasa for being more of a spokesman for them than themselves.

And Modi waves

Who cares?

I blame the damn Americans for letting them sprout so far. Now deal with it

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Shhhhh.... Is something burning in this thread ??? LOL

India is polluting the space just as it has turned its own land into a country with more filth and squalor than any other place in the world.

Space is the final frontier...leave it clean of debris and pollutants. India need not to be in the league of US, Russia and China...can be in a league of its own.

Taj Mahal India

India is polluting the outer space now...

Who's a Blue Boy? Indian Dogs Tinted by Polluted River

Dogs of a different color have been spotted roaming the streets of Navi Mumbai in India, according to news reports.

At least five bright blue dogs have been seen in the industrial area of the city, and a polluted river may be to blame, the Hindustan Times reported on Aug. 12.

Stray dogs often wade into the Kasadi River in search of food, but thanks to the industrial waste that's been released into the water, the dogs emerged with a Smurf-like dye job in addition to any scraps they could fish out.

When the Maharashtra Pollution Control Board (MPCB) investigated, the agency found that a private company was using blue dye in products such as detergents, and the waste from that process made its way into the river. Though the area around the company is cordoned off, "five to six dogs entered the site looking for food and got the blue color on them," Jayavant Hajare, a regional officer at the MPCB, told the Hindustan Times.

Nearly 1,000 pharmaceutical, food and engineering factories that are located in the area release their waste into that river. Testing done by the Navi Mumbai Municipal Corporation found that the water is too polluted to support life, the newspaper reported.


So far, dogs seem to be the only animals affected by the blue dye. But animal rights activists said that other animals, including birds and reptiles, may also be affected.

https://www.livescience.com/60152-blue-dogs-india.html

 

[Tom M]

India is polluting the space just as it has turned its own land into a country with more filth and squalor than any other place in the world.

Space is the final frontier...leave it clean of debris and pollutants. India need not to be in the league of US, Russia and China...can be in a league of its own.

Taj Mahal India

India is polluting the outer space now...

Who's a Blue Boy? Indian Dogs Tinted by Polluted River

Dogs of a different color have been spotted roaming the streets of Navi Mumbai in India, according to news reports.

At least five bright blue dogs have been seen in the industrial area of the city, and a polluted river may be to blame, the Hindustan Times reported on Aug. 12.

Stray dogs often wade into the Kasadi River in search of food, but thanks to the industrial waste that's been released into the water, the dogs emerged with a Smurf-like dye job in addition to any scraps they could fish out.

When the Maharashtra Pollution Control Board (MPCB) investigated, the agency found that a private company was using blue dye in products such as detergents, and the waste from that process made its way into the river. Though the area around the company is cordoned off, "five to six dogs entered the site looking for food and got the blue color on them," Jayavant Hajare, a regional officer at the MPCB, told the Hindustan Times.

Nearly 1,000 pharmaceutical, food and engineering factories that are located in the area release their waste into that river. Testing done by the Navi Mumbai Municipal Corporation found that the water is too polluted to support life, the newspaper reported.


So far, dogs seem to be the only animals affected by the blue dye. But animal rights activists said that other animals, including birds and reptiles, may also be affected.

https://www.livescience.com/60152-blue-dogs-india.html

You indeed seem to prove me right. LOL