Nalanda - World's oldest university recreated

[karan.1970]

Plus : wikipedia stinks .... get elevated , bhartiye

Congratz buddy.. you are one of the few Pakistanis who have got this word right (almost)

 

[ajtr]

Yeah right, it was destroyed cause the uncouth invaders wanted to convert people to islam. Lets not mince words here.

Why not?Whats truth is truth.

 

[Ahmed_Vohra]

@Indians

Not all the rulers wanted to convert masses like some of you think. There were rulers who were hostile to indigenous religions and there were rulers who were very tolerant as well.

North India where Muslim rulers ruled for around 700-800 years, it wouldn't have been hard for them to convert everyone, if Islam spread by sword. Although, I'm not denying that there were no forced conversions.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Give the troll a chinese source

 

[Adnan Faruqi]

In medieval times : Madrassa = University ...

Atleast learn some facts , dumbo...

Other than religion- law-code , arts , history , and "scriptural criticism" was taught in Al-Karaouine ....

Plus : wikipedia stinks .... get elevated , bhartiye

Absolute nonsense. Promoting ones country or heritage is fine but ignoring global facts and false claims are a crime!!

Fes in Moroco has the distinction of having the first university of the world.

Now don't ask for evidence just Google it.

You are ranting about a University which have links backs to a 859 AD madrasa.

Can you tell me which is older??????

a.) 859 AD

B.) 500 AD (Nalanda)


Now tell me who is dumbo?

Nalanda University is 359 years older then what you are talking about

 

[xyxmt]

title oldest university is like "best car in its class"
bachoon ki tarah fight kero, stupidity was given in abundance in subcontinent. every idiot wants to prove he is the biggest one.

 

[ajtr]

@Indians

Not all the rulers wanted to convert masses like some of you think. There were rulers who were hostile to indigenous religions and there were rulers who were very tolerant as well.

North India where Muslim rulers ruled for around 700-800 years, it wouldn't have been hard for them to convert everyone, if Islam spread by sword. Although, I'm not denying that there were no forced conversions.

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“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.” (Al- Quran 2:256 )

title oldest university is like "best car in its class"
bachoon ki tarah fight kero, stupidity was given in abundance in subcontinent. every idiot wants to prove he is the biggest one.

so lets compare bail-gadi with Mercedes.I'm sure Mercedes cant even drive though muddy streets and fields which bail-gadi easily traverse through.

Give the troll a chinese source

Chinese source is Red Book propaganda.

 

[Ahmed_Vohra]

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huh? I'm confused. :$

 

[alok mishra]

Don't derail this thread.Some people here don't like any good news from india so they try their best to derail these thread. So please ignore their comment.

Now on topic:

We should not forget to thank to our president APJ Abdul kalam was the first person who think to re build this university. it is a his dream project of our former president, without his help it'll never be the possible.

 

[Arav_Rana]

Nalanda is oldest university or not, It does not matter..
Important thing is that India, China, Singapore, Japan and other nations will attempt to raise fund to build a new university. And whatever ll come out as Nalanda international university, i am sure it'll be world class

But i don't understand why some people having so much problem here. even they do not have any good university.

 

[asad71]

1.This is our university. Our civilization had existed in the Terai foothills, UP and Bihar from where the inexorable push towards the east has brought us to the Brahmaputra-Gangetic delta. Sidharta was our Prince. In that period the delta's geography was quite different and was a huge dense forest devoid of population except some head-hunters in the Arakan coast. It was built as a Buddhist seminary - much like Christian seminaries of today and somewhat like the qaomi madrassa.

2. Buddhist tradition which is largely confined to Pali language claims that the university was raised to the ground by the resurgent Hinduism. In fact Buddhism was totally uprooted from India forcing Buddhists to emigrate to SL, Burma, Thailand, Cambodi and even eastwards. An excerpt from Wikipedia:

Rise of the Sunga (2nd–1st century BCE)

Further information: Sunga Empire
See also: Pusyamitra Sunga and Decline of Buddhism in India
The Sunga dynasty (185–73 BCE) was established in 185 BCE, about 50 years after Aśoka's death. After assassinating King Brhadrata (last of the Mauryan rulers), military commander-in-chief Pusyamitra Sunga took the throne. Buddhist religious scriptures such as the Aśokāvadāna allege that Pusyamitra (an orthodox Brahmin) was hostile towards Buddhists and persecuted the Buddhist faith. Buddhists wrote that he "destroyed hundreds of monasteries and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Monks":[16] 840,000 Buddhist stupas which had been built by Aśoka were destroyed, and 100 gold coins were offered for the head of each Buddhist monk.[17] In addition, Buddhist sources allege that a large number of Buddhist monasteries (vihāras) were converted to Hindu temples, in places like, but not limited to, Nalanda, Bodhgaya, Sarnath, and Mathura, among many others.
Modern historians, however, dispute this view in the light of literary and archaeological evidence. They opine that following Aśoka's sponsorship of Buddhism, it is possible that Buddhist institutions fell on harder times under the Sungas, but no evidence of active persecution has been noted. Etienne Lamotte observes: "To judge from the documents, Pushyamitra must be acquitted through lack of proof."[18] Another eminent historian, Romila Thapar points to archaeological evidence that "suggests the contrary" to the claim that "Pusyamitra was a fanatical anti-Buddhist" and that he "never actually destroyed 840,000 stupas as claimed by Buddhist works, if any". Thapar stresses that Buddhist accounts are probably hyperbolic renditions of Pusyamitra's attack of the Mauryas, and merely reflect the desperate frustration of the Buddhist religious figures in the face of the possibly irreversible decline in the importance of their religion under the Sungas.[19]
During the period, Buddhist monks deserted the Ganges valley, following either the northern road (uttarapatha) or the southern road (dakṣinapatha).[20] Conversely, Buddhist artistic creation stopped in the old Magadha area, to reposition itself either in the northwest area of Gandhāra and Mathura or in the southeast around Amaravati. Some artistic activity also occurred in central India, as in Bhārhut, to which the Sungas may or may not have contributed.

3. In fact the history of Buddhism as we know today was largly unearthed by a British Indian Army Engineering Corps officer while carrying out archaeological studies. It is no coincidence that the nations funding and assisting the Nalanda project are Buddhist nations.

 

[Jinx1]

@asad71
I agree with you. All the old universities and places of excellence were established by the Buddhists and not Hindus. Shardha University in Neelum Valley, AJ&K, Pakistan was almost 2000 old university established by Buddhists. Even Nalanda was a Buddhist place of excellence.

The problem with Bharti Hindus is that they can't find anything worthwhile to show for their identity in Bharat and therefore claim Buddhist, Muslim and Christian historical places as their own.

Shardha University in Neelum Valley, AJ&K, Pakistan

 

[kingkobra]

1.This is our university. Our civilization had existed in the Terai foothills, UP and Bihar from where the inexorable push towards the east has brought us to the Brahmaputra-Gangetic delta. Sidharta was our Prince. In that period the delta's geography was quite different and was a huge dense forest devoid of population except some head-hunters in the Arakan coast. It was built as a Buddhist seminary - much like Christian seminaries of today and somewhat like the qaomi madrassa.

2. Buddhist tradition which is largely confined to Pali language claims that the university was raised to the ground by the resurgent Hinduism. In fact Buddhism was totally uprooted from India forcing Buddhists to emigrate to SL, Burma, Thailand, Cambodi and even eastwards. An excerpt from Wikipedia:

Rise of the Sunga (2nd–1st century BCE)

Further information: Sunga Empire
See also: Pusyamitra Sunga and Decline of Buddhism in India
The Sunga dynasty (185–73 BCE) was established in 185 BCE, about 50 years after Aśoka's death. After assassinating King Brhadrata (last of the Mauryan rulers), military commander-in-chief Pusyamitra Sunga took the throne. Buddhist religious scriptures such as the Aśokāvadāna allege that Pusyamitra (an orthodox Brahmin) was hostile towards Buddhists and persecuted the Buddhist faith. Buddhists wrote that he "destroyed hundreds of monasteries and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Monks":[16] 840,000 Buddhist stupas which had been built by Aśoka were destroyed, and 100 gold coins were offered for the head of each Buddhist monk.[17] In addition, Buddhist sources allege that a large number of Buddhist monasteries (vihāras) were converted to Hindu temples, in places like, but not limited to, Nalanda, Bodhgaya, Sarnath, and Mathura, among many others.
Modern historians, however, dispute this view in the light of literary and archaeological evidence. They opine that following Aśoka's sponsorship of Buddhism, it is possible that Buddhist institutions fell on harder times under the Sungas, but no evidence of active persecution has been noted. Etienne Lamotte observes: "To judge from the documents, Pushyamitra must be acquitted through lack of proof."[18] Another eminent historian, Romila Thapar points to archaeological evidence that "suggests the contrary" to the claim that "Pusyamitra was a fanatical anti-Buddhist" and that he "never actually destroyed 840,000 stupas as claimed by Buddhist works, if any". Thapar stresses that Buddhist accounts are probably hyperbolic renditions of Pusyamitra's attack of the Mauryas, and merely reflect the desperate frustration of the Buddhist religious figures in the face of the possibly irreversible decline in the importance of their religion under the Sungas.[19]
During the period, Buddhist monks deserted the Ganges valley, following either the northern road (uttarapatha) or the southern road (dakṣinapatha).[20] Conversely, Buddhist artistic creation stopped in the old Magadha area, to reposition itself either in the northwest area of Gandhāra and Mathura or in the southeast around Amaravati. Some artistic activity also occurred in central India, as in Bhārhut, to which the Sungas may or may not have contributed.

3. In fact the history of Buddhism as we know today was largly unearthed by a British Indian Army Engineering Corps officer while carrying out archaeological studies. It is no coincidence that the nations funding and assisting the Nalanda project are Buddhist nations.

there is a reason why pusyamitra sunga destroyed some stupas(they were used by greek invader mininder aka milinda as per budhist books as a hide out to attack mauryan empire) although what he did is not justified but there is no doubt that those budhist monastries where traitors of mauryan empire and bruhdata chose to ignore it..

Ashoka did the same with nirgrantha and ajivikas, he offered gold coins for killing people of this religions which are now extinct from India..

@asad71
I agree with you. All the old universities and places of excellence were established by the Buddhists and not Hindus. Shardha University in Neelum Valley, AJ&K, Pakistan was almost 2000 old university established by Buddhists. Even Nalanda was a Buddhist place of excellence.

The problem with Bharti Hindus is that they can't find anything worthwhile to show for their identity in Bharat and therefore claim Buddhist, Muslim and Christian historical places as their own.

Shardha University in Neelum Valley, AJ&K, Pakistan

Hinduism was not present at that time it was vedic dharma and vedic dharma does not approve of temples...although Takshasila was a major vedic center of knowledge where the likes of chandragupta maurya studied..

 

[buddyboyyash]

@asad71
I agree with you. All the old universities and places of excellence were established by the Buddhists and not Hindus. Shardha University in Neelum Valley, AJ&K, Pakistan was almost 2000 old university established by Buddhists. Even Nalanda was a Buddhist place of excellence.

The problem with Bharti Hindus is that they can't find anything worthwhile to show for their identity in Bharat and therefore claim Buddhist, Muslim and Christian historical places as their own.

Shardha University in Neelum Valley, AJ&K, Pakistan

i dont need a lecture about IDENTITY at least from a PAKISTANI guy...where people are confused whether they are arab descendents or belong to south asia or from afghanistan or from persia...

and most importantly...consider every GOOD ISLAMIC thing as theirs and BAD ISLAMIC thing as something that existed in pre islamic era

 

[INDIC]

@asad71
I agree with you. All the old universities and places of excellence were established by the Buddhists and not Hindus. Shardha University in Neelum Valley, AJ&K, Pakistan was almost 2000 old university established by Buddhists. Even Nalanda was a Buddhist place of excellence.

The problem with Bharti Hindus is that they can't find anything worthwhile to show for their identity in Bharat and therefore claim Buddhist, Muslim and Christian historical places as their own.

Shardha University in Neelum Valley, AJ&K, Pakistan

It was syncretic culture-Hinduism and Buddhism, you know what Nalanda University was founded after patronage of Hindu Gupta Kings. Chandragupta Maurya was a Hindu who become Jain monk in last days of his life. Switching to one ideology to another one was very common in ancient India. And who is telling us, the people who know nothing about history of the subcontinent before Muhammad Bin Qasim.