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Very beautiful, bro. What do the lyrics mean? For what it's worth, Hsinphyushin Min burning down Ayuthaya to the ground 200 years after Bayinnaung was a very shameful act.
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For what it's worth, the people of Myanmar stand with Thailand in opposition to the military junta. Unfortunately our own cronies offer unwavering support for Prayuth.
Myanmar Journalists Call for Thai Junta to Respect Press Freedom
Burmese Journalists Call for Thai Junta to Respect Press Freedom
By THE IRRAWADDY| Wednesday, May 28, 2014 |
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Thai soldiers stand guard during a coup at the Army Club in central Bangkok on May 22, 2014. (Photo: Reuters)
The Myanmar Journalists Networks (MJN) and the Myanmar Journalist Association (MJA) have both issued statements calling for the release of journalists detained in neighboring Thailand following a military coup.
In statements issued on Tuesday and Wednesday, both groups said they were concerned about restrictions on media that have followed the May 22 seizure of power by Thailand’s National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO).
“It is not proper to arrest journalists and suspend some media, the ears and eyes of the nation in such important period, not only for the Thai Media industry, but for the rest of neighboring ASEAN countries,” the MJN said.
“Thus, the Myanmar Journalists Networks strongly demand that the [NCPO] free the arrested journalists as soon as possible and to practice freedom of the press.”
The statements mark a reversal of recent history. In the past, Thailand’s media has enjoyed a high level of freedom, while Burma was for decades under a strict censorship regime, with some media outlets covering the country from Thailand. However, since the government of Thein Sein took power in 2011, censorship has been abandoned and private daily newspapers have been allowed to publish in Burma.
MJA, which has signed a cooperation agreement with the Thai Journalists Association, said Burmese journalists can sympathize with their Thai colleagues since they have experienced “similar restrictions and persecutions under the former governments.”
“Therefore, we would like to appeal earnestly to [the] Thai military government to restore the freedom of the press after lifting the restrictions on Thai journalists and ceasing arbitrary arrests if they are really desirous of bringing about genuine national reconciliation and safeguarding democracy,” MJA said.
France-based organization Reports Without Borders also denounced the Thai military’s actions.
“Two journalists, Thanapol Eawsakul and Pravit Rojanaphruk were detained on 23 and 24 May after being summoned by the military,” a statement on Monday said.
“The army is continuing its efforts to halt the flow of news and information, imposing its editorial line on news organizations and ordering them not to publish anything that might ‘fan the conflict.’”
Reporters Without Borders said 19 editors and publishers had been called in by General Prayuth, head of the Thai junta to discuss their coverage of the country’s situation. TV and radio stations have also been subjected to restrictions and some have been taken off air, the statement said.
Myanmar Journalists Call for Thai Junta to Respect Press Freedom
Burmese Journalists Call for Thai Junta to Respect Press Freedom
By THE IRRAWADDY| Wednesday, May 28, 2014 |
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Thai soldiers stand guard during a coup at the Army Club in central Bangkok on May 22, 2014. (Photo: Reuters)
The Myanmar Journalists Networks (MJN) and the Myanmar Journalist Association (MJA) have both issued statements calling for the release of journalists detained in neighboring Thailand following a military coup.
In statements issued on Tuesday and Wednesday, both groups said they were concerned about restrictions on media that have followed the May 22 seizure of power by Thailand’s National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO).
“It is not proper to arrest journalists and suspend some media, the ears and eyes of the nation in such important period, not only for the Thai Media industry, but for the rest of neighboring ASEAN countries,” the MJN said.
“Thus, the Myanmar Journalists Networks strongly demand that the [NCPO] free the arrested journalists as soon as possible and to practice freedom of the press.”
The statements mark a reversal of recent history. In the past, Thailand’s media has enjoyed a high level of freedom, while Burma was for decades under a strict censorship regime, with some media outlets covering the country from Thailand. However, since the government of Thein Sein took power in 2011, censorship has been abandoned and private daily newspapers have been allowed to publish in Burma.
MJA, which has signed a cooperation agreement with the Thai Journalists Association, said Burmese journalists can sympathize with their Thai colleagues since they have experienced “similar restrictions and persecutions under the former governments.”
“Therefore, we would like to appeal earnestly to [the] Thai military government to restore the freedom of the press after lifting the restrictions on Thai journalists and ceasing arbitrary arrests if they are really desirous of bringing about genuine national reconciliation and safeguarding democracy,” MJA said.
France-based organization Reports Without Borders also denounced the Thai military’s actions.
“Two journalists, Thanapol Eawsakul and Pravit Rojanaphruk were detained on 23 and 24 May after being summoned by the military,” a statement on Monday said.
“The army is continuing its efforts to halt the flow of news and information, imposing its editorial line on news organizations and ordering them not to publish anything that might ‘fan the conflict.’”
Reporters Without Borders said 19 editors and publishers had been called in by General Prayuth, head of the Thai junta to discuss their coverage of the country’s situation. TV and radio stations have also been subjected to restrictions and some have been taken off air, the statement said.
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Its a Thai famous noval based on history of Myanmar. Its about destroying a city (Mon city?) name Plae because his lover was stolen by King of Plae.
Burning Ayuthaya a shameful act -> Sometime we should let the history run its story without classification. Collapse of Ayuthaya created Bangkok and a new stronger Siam. Nature loves the stronger one. For many Thai, perhaps they might feel nationalistic and hate. For me, I think its natural selection. So we should let history be history and look toward future, bro. Our new hero who liberate us from Bamar. Chinese-Thai King Taksin
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Exclusive: Poor and besieged, Myanmar's Rakhine join Rohingya exodus
By Andrew R.C. Marshall
MAUNGDAW, Myanmar Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:42pm EST
People walk between stalls at a market in Maungdaw town in northern Rakhine State November 11, 2014.
Credit: Reuters/Minzayar
(Reuters) - For years, tens of thousands of Rohingya Muslim boat people have fled this remote corner of western Myanmar for nearby countries. But another huge exodus has grabbed far fewer headlines.
Ethnic Rakhine Buddhists, bitter rivals of the Rohingya, are also leaving Rakhine State to seek jobs in Malaysia and Thailand. Small numbers of Rakhine are even following the same smuggling routes plied by the Rohingya and, like them, falling victim to human traffickers.
The exodus reflects a wider economic malaise. Myanmar's quasi-civilian government has launched many reforms since taking power in 2011, but hasn't created enough jobs.
"Go to Rakhine villages and you find only children and old people," said Tun Maung, a prominent businessman in the Rakhine capital Sittwe. "The young people have already gone."
The exodus of both Rohingya and Rakhine accelerated in 2012, after a year of violence between the two communities left hundreds dead and 140,000 homeless - mostly Rohingya.
Many displaced Rohingya now live in squalid camps along the Rakhine coast with easy access to ramshackle human-smuggling ships.
About 100,000 Rohingya boat people have left since the 2012 violence, said the Arakan Project, a Rohingya advocacy group.
The mass departure of Rakhine has been less noticeable because they usually travel by road and air, carrying passports unavailable to the mostly stateless Rohingya.
But Rakhine have also left in greater numbers since 2012, say Myanmar officials, after the unrest crippled a local economy neglected during nearly half a century of military dictatorship.
Millions of Burmese seek work abroad. About two million live in neighboring Thailand alone, said the International Labour Organisation. Many are unlikely to return until Myanmar's economy improves.
"WE DON'T TRUST THEM"
The Rakhine exodus could worsen those economic woes and communal tensions.
In much of Rakhine state, home to 3.2 million people, the Rohingya are a persecuted minority outnumbered two to one by the Rakhine.
But in the Maungdaw area, on the state's northern border with Bangladesh, those figures are reversed. Out of 510,000 people, only 30,000 are Rakhine or non-Muslims, township chief Kyi San told Reuters during a rare visit to Maungdaw by a foreign reporter.
As young people abandon their villages for jobs abroad, the Rakhine who remain feel besieged and vulnerable.
Hla Tun Oo, 30, has just returned to Maw Ya Waddy village after seven years working at a factory in Malaysia. In June 2012, while he was gone, the Rakhine village was burned to the ground by a Rohingya mob.
Maw Ya Waddy was rebuilt with the help of the Myanmar government and international aid agencies. It was also militarized.
Soldiers watch the fields from a hilltop. More soldiers are encamped at a Buddhist monastery between Maw Ya Waddy and the populous Rohingya villages along the coast.
Rakhine villages nearby have a permanent police presence, and all are linked by new, military-built roads which allow Rakhine to avoid Rohingya communities. An 11pm to 4am curfew remains in force.
"I was born here and love my land. I want to protect it," said Hla Tun Oo, explaining why he returned.
But about 100 villagers, including Hla Tun Oo's two brothers, work in Malaysia or elsewhere, leaving Maw Ya Waddy with only 20 or so men of working age.
Relations with Muslim neighbors remain strained. Rakhine farmers no longer hire them as laborers, as they did before 2012. "We don't trust them anymore," said village chief Maung Maung Thein.
Yet the Rakhine have much in common with the Rohingya.
Pyu Tote, 30, a Rakhine with no passport, paid a broker about $600 to smuggle him into Malaysia. Rohingya, who rarely have travel documents, also rely on brokers.
Pyu Tote was driven to southern Myanmar. He crossed into Thailand by boat, then trekked through hilly jungles into Malaysia, a route also plied by thousands of Rohingya.
Thirty people trekked with him. "Most were Rakhine," said Pyu Tote, who worked at a Malaysian factory for a year.
Like Rohingya, the Rakhine are also vulnerable to exploitation. In August the International Organization for Migration arranged the return of 14 Rakhine men who were trafficked onto Thai fishing boats in Indonesian waters earlier this year.
The men were lured by the promise of well-paid jobs in Thailand.
LABOR ISN'T WORKING
Many Rakhine families depend on remittances from overseas. Hla Tun Oo sent home about $200 a month, and had saved another $20,000 after seven years in Malaysia.
But the departure of so many young Rakhine isn't helping a local economy reeling from the 2012 bloodshed.
Rakhine State suffers from chronic poverty. Malnutrition is rife and its infrastructure is shoddy or non-existent, with factories few and far between.
After 2012, the price of vegetables and seafood, largely supplied by Rohingya, soared. So did the cost of labor. Sittwe businesses aren't allowed to hire Rohingya, who were driven from the city and are now confined in distant camps ringed by police checkpoints.
"Violence and segregation have hit the economy hard," said Richard Horsey, an independent Myanmar analyst. "Muslims are stuck in camps, unable to work, and the instability has made it harder to attract vital foreign investment."
Economic growth would encourage Rakhine job-seekers to stay put. Or so hopes Tun Maung, the Sittwe businessman, who runs two restaurants and a hotel.
He has advertised for staff for six months. "Nobody has applied," he said.
(Editing by Dean Yates)
Now that's what I called shooting yourself in the foot. Which dumbasses supported this anyway?
By Andrew R.C. Marshall
MAUNGDAW, Myanmar Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:42pm EST
People walk between stalls at a market in Maungdaw town in northern Rakhine State November 11, 2014.
Credit: Reuters/Minzayar
(Reuters) - For years, tens of thousands of Rohingya Muslim boat people have fled this remote corner of western Myanmar for nearby countries. But another huge exodus has grabbed far fewer headlines.
Ethnic Rakhine Buddhists, bitter rivals of the Rohingya, are also leaving Rakhine State to seek jobs in Malaysia and Thailand. Small numbers of Rakhine are even following the same smuggling routes plied by the Rohingya and, like them, falling victim to human traffickers.
The exodus reflects a wider economic malaise. Myanmar's quasi-civilian government has launched many reforms since taking power in 2011, but hasn't created enough jobs.
"Go to Rakhine villages and you find only children and old people," said Tun Maung, a prominent businessman in the Rakhine capital Sittwe. "The young people have already gone."
The exodus of both Rohingya and Rakhine accelerated in 2012, after a year of violence between the two communities left hundreds dead and 140,000 homeless - mostly Rohingya.
Many displaced Rohingya now live in squalid camps along the Rakhine coast with easy access to ramshackle human-smuggling ships.
About 100,000 Rohingya boat people have left since the 2012 violence, said the Arakan Project, a Rohingya advocacy group.
The mass departure of Rakhine has been less noticeable because they usually travel by road and air, carrying passports unavailable to the mostly stateless Rohingya.
But Rakhine have also left in greater numbers since 2012, say Myanmar officials, after the unrest crippled a local economy neglected during nearly half a century of military dictatorship.
Millions of Burmese seek work abroad. About two million live in neighboring Thailand alone, said the International Labour Organisation. Many are unlikely to return until Myanmar's economy improves.
"WE DON'T TRUST THEM"
The Rakhine exodus could worsen those economic woes and communal tensions.
In much of Rakhine state, home to 3.2 million people, the Rohingya are a persecuted minority outnumbered two to one by the Rakhine.
But in the Maungdaw area, on the state's northern border with Bangladesh, those figures are reversed. Out of 510,000 people, only 30,000 are Rakhine or non-Muslims, township chief Kyi San told Reuters during a rare visit to Maungdaw by a foreign reporter.
As young people abandon their villages for jobs abroad, the Rakhine who remain feel besieged and vulnerable.
Hla Tun Oo, 30, has just returned to Maw Ya Waddy village after seven years working at a factory in Malaysia. In June 2012, while he was gone, the Rakhine village was burned to the ground by a Rohingya mob.
Maw Ya Waddy was rebuilt with the help of the Myanmar government and international aid agencies. It was also militarized.
Soldiers watch the fields from a hilltop. More soldiers are encamped at a Buddhist monastery between Maw Ya Waddy and the populous Rohingya villages along the coast.
Rakhine villages nearby have a permanent police presence, and all are linked by new, military-built roads which allow Rakhine to avoid Rohingya communities. An 11pm to 4am curfew remains in force.
"I was born here and love my land. I want to protect it," said Hla Tun Oo, explaining why he returned.
But about 100 villagers, including Hla Tun Oo's two brothers, work in Malaysia or elsewhere, leaving Maw Ya Waddy with only 20 or so men of working age.
Relations with Muslim neighbors remain strained. Rakhine farmers no longer hire them as laborers, as they did before 2012. "We don't trust them anymore," said village chief Maung Maung Thein.
Yet the Rakhine have much in common with the Rohingya.
Pyu Tote, 30, a Rakhine with no passport, paid a broker about $600 to smuggle him into Malaysia. Rohingya, who rarely have travel documents, also rely on brokers.
Pyu Tote was driven to southern Myanmar. He crossed into Thailand by boat, then trekked through hilly jungles into Malaysia, a route also plied by thousands of Rohingya.
Thirty people trekked with him. "Most were Rakhine," said Pyu Tote, who worked at a Malaysian factory for a year.
Like Rohingya, the Rakhine are also vulnerable to exploitation. In August the International Organization for Migration arranged the return of 14 Rakhine men who were trafficked onto Thai fishing boats in Indonesian waters earlier this year.
The men were lured by the promise of well-paid jobs in Thailand.
LABOR ISN'T WORKING
Many Rakhine families depend on remittances from overseas. Hla Tun Oo sent home about $200 a month, and had saved another $20,000 after seven years in Malaysia.
But the departure of so many young Rakhine isn't helping a local economy reeling from the 2012 bloodshed.
Rakhine State suffers from chronic poverty. Malnutrition is rife and its infrastructure is shoddy or non-existent, with factories few and far between.
After 2012, the price of vegetables and seafood, largely supplied by Rohingya, soared. So did the cost of labor. Sittwe businesses aren't allowed to hire Rohingya, who were driven from the city and are now confined in distant camps ringed by police checkpoints.
"Violence and segregation have hit the economy hard," said Richard Horsey, an independent Myanmar analyst. "Muslims are stuck in camps, unable to work, and the instability has made it harder to attract vital foreign investment."
Economic growth would encourage Rakhine job-seekers to stay put. Or so hopes Tun Maung, the Sittwe businessman, who runs two restaurants and a hotel.
He has advertised for staff for six months. "Nobody has applied," he said.
(Editing by Dean Yates)
Now that's what I called shooting yourself in the foot. Which dumbasses supported this anyway?
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I agree, bro. But we must never forget the lessons of history. And I hope the more nationalist strata of your ruling class don't let their policy towards Burmese be clouded by any residual sentiment about Ayuthaya.
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Wow i like that!
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Bravo !!!! That's the way to fix the problem, no more mr. nice guy to illegal bengalis that came over the border illegally in large numbers, displace the local people and try to impose their systems in the region and even tried to create a separate muslim only state. They can try that in BD.
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Spoken like a simpleton. 800g of people got displaced & you say bravo? Goes to show you how low a human being can get.
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It gets to be much worse if they stay. Ethnic differences in most countries that have a tradition of being tribal don't end up very well as you can see in Iraq and in this particular case, they came to Myanmar uninvited, same as they are doing in India, same story in both countries, BD is way over populated and in the border areas people cross borders in mass and that's not acceptable. Once they are in in high numbers they disrupt the internal order of things (same in both countries) and its just a matter of time until things get very ugly. Myanmar and India don't have to accept that situation. The party at fault is BD that don't want to take them back. You should complain to BD.
Feel free to show how high of a human being you are and invite them to Indonesia.
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When you resort to sophistry to defend an atrocity you already lost the moral high ground. They have links to their land, hundreds of years of history. They have every right to be there.
Nice to hear that the country that responsible for treating them like shit for the last half century is not being held responsible.
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You are not well informed, they came since the 40's. Maybe you are confusing with other muslim communities in MM which indeed had being there for a long time and they HAVE NO PROBLEM at all. I've read very extensibly and in detail about the historical background of that situation, I suggest you do the same if you want to understand the roots of the problem.
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You blind or deaf? The upsurge from the immigration indeed came because of the British, but the Rohingya were already there way before then:
Rohingya people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now even if what you said is true. What the hell did they do to deserve being ethnically cleansed?
Now I know you don't know jack about anything! The Panthays & other Muslims group (that's even one of their main ethnic groups) are also targeted by religious sentiment.
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