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My prediction: SCO will become a military alliance within 10 years

Give me a break. The entire PLA can drive into Mongolia anytime we want.

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How will the Russian Army even reach Mongolia and maintain proper supply lines? Mind showing me a Russian expressway map? Will the Russians teleport into battle like in Star Trek?

The truth is, by the time the Russian Army slowly transports itself to Mongolia via the Trans-Siberian Railway, the PLA invasion of Mongolia will already be complete.
Bro. Low profile:-):china:
 
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thats what they (ISIS) want to get china involved. this gives isis the ability to try recruit chinese muslims. and it would be quiet easy. as terrorists only do such acts as they are poor and un employed. and the western part of china is also one of the poorest. once isis get some foot hold there it woul create chaos. remember neighbouring muslims countries are over run by them uzbekistan is a good example. china is doing it quietly so that isis wont be able to recruiting/influencing there.

In fact, ISIS already begun their recruitment in China, there are estimated high 1000- low 5000 Uyghur fighting in Syria already (According to my source), a surge of some 100 when the Chinese release their figure in 2014, chiefly because of the strong crackdown on Muslim (both moderate and extremist) in china.

The problem is, China have ethnic Muslim (Muslim that were born Chinese, compare to the Muslim majority that were migrated to US or Britain), and until now, they are largely under the scope of these Extremist organisation, but As ISIS call for arms in China for the Chinese Oppression, the problem would have been a lot more complicate for the Chinese, one thing begin, there are no way you can tell the moderate and the extremist because they were all born there.

In most case in the west, ISIS fighter could easily picked out because of their inability to adapt to the western life, but in Chinese case, they can, and it would be a hassle for the Chinese Authority to pick them out from the moderate.

well the sco is made upof mostly ex soviet states in central asia and most of them have no business with the west or the usa. most of their business comes from russia and china. although the cpec corridor will open the world to them. and this is good, as one of the key to create a peacefull world is to make people prosper. once people are prosperous why fall for following mutated views of some thing that claims to be religious.

lol, I should have said my point of view is based at the fact that if SCO would turn into a Military Alliance.

I agree with what you said, the SCO should and work best as a economic pact, the problem between country would be largely due to economic different instead of a political one, hence this is the organisation should work on, it will basically doom this organisation if SCO started to turn Political and Military, better work on economic and let everyone have a full 3 meals a day, then come around and turn neighbour into warzone.
 
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China's and Russia's Peace Missions and Joint Sea Drills

On land, China and Russia have been holding frequent Peace Missions. These involve thousands of troops, aircraft, and heavy artillery (such as main battle tanks and self-propelled howitzers).

At sea, China and Russia are holding constant Joint Sea drills (including an exercise in the Mediterranean Sea).

When you look at the joint military operations between China and Russia in the Peace Missions and Joint Sea exercises, it looks like military coordination between two countries. It lays the ground-work for a military alliance. Hence, my prediction of a Sino-Russian SCO military alliance (with Iran) in the next ten years.

The Peace Missions and Joint Sea exercises will keep growing in scope and participation (after Iran's membership is evaluated after the lifting of UN sanctions in January 2016).

Russia has declared the United States as an enemy. Will China formally join Russia in a military alliance? That is the big question.

Another important question: Are China and Russia already in an undeclared military alliance?
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Putin names United States among threats in new Russian security strategy| Reuters

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References (Peace Mission 2013 and Peace Mission 2014):

"Peace Mission-2013": China-Russia relations in new context | Russia Beyond The Headlines ASIA

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Analyzing Peace Mission 2014: China and Russia Exercise with the Central Asian States | SLDInfo

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Reference (Joint Sea II 2015):

China, Russia Land 400 Marines in First Joint Pacific Amphibious Exercise - USNI News

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Conjectures and structures, my friend, which is most skeptical commentators on this thread fail to realize/discern. Your posts make an excellent contribution to the underlying theory, that is, the ever growing China-Russia strategic partnership.

As you empirically verify, this is the reality on the ground, hence denial won't do much justice to the facts.

When we asses China-Russia relations, we need to employ an entirely different conceptual framework from the traditional (US-led) alliance model. This is where most of the comments lose contact with reality and fall into the trap of ethnocentric theorizing.

Certain points, perhaps, need to be underlined again:

1. The way China and Russia design and define their relations is different from the existing alliance norms. China and Russia are equals (this is without rejecting natural/historical differences in various aspects of national power) in their interaction and every institutional setting these two are in, they interact within the boundaries of the rules and norms set up through consultation and incremental learning.

China and Russia's relationship is more organic than the one between the US and its various allies. That's why the US is what it is today, a reactionary, anti-historical great power. China-Russia is here not to repeat or reform it, but to promote an alternative framework of inter-state relations for the rest of the world to see.

Do people think we never come together with our Russian partners (Track I and Track II (Track II is the level I interact with colleagues from Russia)) and discuss and theorize about the nature of our relations? Do people think it is just by accident that our bilateral relations have improved so comprehensively over the past decade?

Just as what others think about what is the nature of our relationship, so do we. And we have the advantage of actually owning the whole process and therefore upgrading it no matter what outsiders think or feel.

2. Anybody can look at all the public statements, documents, and policy papers that are related to China-Russia relations. These documents reveal that there is no single instance where the two disagrees (at the ideational level) on their conceptualization of the world governance. This is the core of our relations. This is what I call the structure. Structurally, we are aligned. We are perfectly aligned.

3. But, conjectures might push either of us to various policy measures that might not fall perfectly in line with those of the other side -- Such as Russian arms sales to Vietnam or India. But this is just a conjectural issue, and we understand the need to do business with everybody. Because (point 1, above) we are two equal sovereign nations.

In China-Russia relations, the conjectures are micro-managed while structures are macro-managed.

We will observe an ever deepening relationship. The institutional and physical lines of cooperation and communication are still being laid out/set up.

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About the Syrian War, it will become an increasingly European (Western) affair as Russia pulls the strings on the ground.

Europe already has a huge extremism problem with thousands of born-in-Europe and immigrant extremists having all the fun and privilage of establishing underground indoctrination and recruitment centers all across the Europe. Their problems will only grow as ISIS and the likes are being pounded by Russia. Europe still offers a last-retreat option for most radicals.

The US and its Pacific allies are very much saved simply because of distance. So, Europe will have enough time to think over what it has done wrong. This won't be an easy Iraq War 2. 0.

According my resources, there are about 10.000 Uighurs actively engaged in fight in Syria. They are mostly under JN, often fighting the ISIS as well as Syrian Army and the NDF. Not all of them are coming directly from Xinjiang; a considerable number of them are already refugees/citizens nestled in Turkey for years. We know them, and we monitor them. Turkey is a conduit for Chechen extremists because of its very easy/encouriging border and immigration procedures. This enables easy entrance, lodging, equipping and transfer into Syria. There is very little in terms of content and context between Uighur and Chechen terrorists.

Inside China, things are much better compared to Europe (and probably to the US, to a less degree) where things are getting worse. Bribing Turkey with 3million USD won't cut anything. Turkey is still sending over migrants on the boats into Greece's Aegean islands like there is no tomorrow.

If certain Europe and US regimes further oppress these extremist inside their borders, they will turn even more radical. Then we might as well see other Paris or Boston attacks, although no one would like to see that happen.

On all this troubles, Europe has first itself and then the US to blame. Itself, because it followed blindly the US line in Syria. US, because, the US encouraged various regimes near Syrian borders to train, equip and finance anti-Syria militia. There has always been extremist recruitment in the US and Europe, but Syrian situation just made it worse. US political and social culture has never been strong enough to entirely change the hearts and minds of these potential extremists.

Be warned, these extreme capitalist states (such as the US) might easily turn real fascist (exreme right) once they feel their vital (class) interests are challenged/put in danger. This is the story of popular fascisms across Europe in the early-mid 1900s. This time it will be different for the US than the 1950s' Communist hunt because demographic in the US has changed a lot. A WASP supermajority to stand in support of a fascist regime to protect the so-called “middle class values" is no more.

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I can see a Russia led alliance (minus China and India) or a China led alliance (minus Russia and India), but these would have limited member States and a very clearly defined Charter with strong Chinese or Russian leadership.

For Pakistani readers, Pakistani participation in either hypothetical military alliance would be suspect, unless Pakistan can convince China or Russia that Pakistan will not instigate military conflict with India.

Russia already leads a military alliance in Central Asia including with 3 members of SCO

Collective Security Treaty Organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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In fact, ISIS already begun their recruitment in China, there are estimated high 1000- low 5000 Uyghur fighting in Syria already (According to my source), a surge of some 100 when the Chinese release their figure in 2014, chiefly because of the strong crackdown on Muslim (both moderate and extremist) in china.

The problem is, China have ethnic Muslim (Muslim that were born Chinese, compare to the Muslim majority that were migrated to US or Britain), and until now, they are largely under the scope of these Extremist organisation, but As ISIS call for arms in China for the Chinese Oppression, the problem would have been a lot more complicate for the Chinese, one thing begin, there are no way you can tell the moderate and the extremist because they were all born there.

In most case in the west, ISIS fighter could easily picked out because of their inability to adapt to the western life, but in Chinese case, they can, and it would be a hassle for the Chinese Authority to pick them out from the moderate.
i think the chinese authorities figured that out too, hance why why have signed a new law regarding terrorism
Will China's new law tackle terror? - BBC News to be quiet honest i dont know why western muslims would want to join isis. why? you have every thing here and yet you would want to go over there which in short is a shit hole. where the russains and the usa and a few others are picking them of via air strikes

lol, I should have said my point of view is based at the fact that if SCO would turn into a Military Alliance.

I agree with what you said, the SCO should and work best as a economic pact, the problem between country would be largely due to economic different instead of a political one, hence this is the organisation should work on, it will basically doom this organisation if SCO started to turn Political and Military, better work on economic and let everyone have a full 3 meals a day, then come around and turn neighbour into warzone.
yeah you should have made that clearer...... no matter.
im no expert on how a group like the sco would opperate to come out out as. and when i here people talk about how its a threat to nato, or how its not right or how it would opperate.i tend to ignore them as the so called "analyists" talk rubbish. at fisrt i use to read multiple view on a certain topic and it does not come as as said on the analysis. no offence bor, but thats my way of seeing it. i prefer to see what its at right now and see all of the possilbe routes it can take andgo from there.
 
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China and Russia have already announced Joint Sea III 2016

Every year, China and Russia hold massive Peace Mission (ground- and air-based) and/or Joint Sea (sea-based) military exercises. The last Peace Mission had "7,000 servicemen from five SCO member states." Joint Sea II 2015 had "22 warships and support vessels" participating.

For 2016, Joint Sea III has already been announced.

At some point, we will have to call SCO a military alliance in all but name.

China Will Host Joint Naval Drills With Russia in 2016 – Russian Navy

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i think the chinese authorities figured that out too, hance why why have signed a new law regarding terrorism
Will China's new law tackle terror? - BBC News to be quiet honest i dont know why western muslims would want to join isis. why? you have every thing here and yet you would want to go over there which in short is a shit hole. where the russains and the usa and a few others are picking them of via air strikes

Pretty much why people joined the Military of their respective country, for some Muslim, being a part of Jihad is sees as a duty, where one may argue whether or not it was the case, but you cannot denied there are some sort of die hard Muslim sees this as a sort of "Calling" and those are the misguided true believer.

Other part of them never see something exciting, or cared about, it give them a sense of belonging, that's why a lot of lone teenager joined the rank of ISIS, simply those were probably the only exciting thing ever gonna happened within their lifetime.

And then there are people just plain stupid and were not properly and/or adequately educated and think this is actually a good way to defend Muslim.

yeah you should have made that clearer...... no matter.
im no expert on how a group like the sco would opperate to come out out as. and when i here people talk about how its a threat to nato, or how its not right or how it would opperate.i tend to ignore them as the so called "analyists" talk rubbish. at fisrt i use to read multiple view on a certain topic and it does not come as as said on the analysis. no offence bor, but thats my way of seeing it. i prefer to see what its at right now and see all of the possilbe routes it can take andgo from there.

lol, my bad.....

Well, as I said, SCO should stays as a economic pact, it can, of course, allow each individual country to make their own defence pact, but using SCO to form a Military Relation will simply crash and burn in the end. And you are right, those "analyst" talk should be ignored. Not every sort of analysis need to be treated seriously, I can talk about how to conquer Mars or Planet Nebula, and put in a serious analysis on it, that does not make it a good idea or in fact, a doable idea.
 
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Pretty much why people joined the Military of their respective country, for some Muslim, being a part of Jihad is sees as a duty, where one may argue whether or not it was the case, but you cannot denied there are some sort of die hard Muslim sees this as a sort of "Calling" and those are the misguided true believer.

Other part of them never see something exciting, or cared about, it give them a sense of belonging, that's why a lot of lone teenager joined the rank of ISIS, simply those were probably the only exciting thing ever gonna happened within their lifetime.

And then there are people just plain stupid and were not properly and/or adequately educated and think this is actually a good way to defend Muslim.
well thats the power of manipulation at work there. targeting thoses who are lonely and fell they are a drain to society. and then comes a man who gives them chance to be a part of somthing to be more than a nobody. and in the end they go there and te first few week it would be good then they will hate it and try to escape and get killed trying to leave. well not everyone go through that process the really weak ones stay and are mindfucked into thinking they are going it in the name of god (allah).

lets not make this a debate about terrorism
well we agree on the following:
the sco should be more focused on making the sco economically prosperous.
not create a millitary alliance as the chances of a unilateral decision is very unlikely.
having the sco as a millitary alliance will ruin the group

do you agree?
 
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well thats the power of manipulation at work there. targeting thoses who are lonely and fell they are a drain to society. and then comes a man who gives them chance to be a part of somthing to be more than a nobody. and in the end they go there and te first few week it would be good then they will hate it and try to escape and get killed trying to leave. well not everyone go through that process the really weak ones stay and are mindfucked into thinking they are going it in the name of god (allah).

lets not make this a debate about terrorism
well we agree on the following:
the sco should be more focused on making the sco economically prosperous.
not create a millitary alliance as the chances of a unilateral decision is very unlikely.
having the sco as a millitary alliance will ruin the group

do you agree?

Yes, we do agree on the SCO issue, it would ruin the SCO if they were to turn into a Military Alliance.
 
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Yes, we do agree on the SCO issue, it would ruin the SCO if they were to turn into a Military Alliance.
well then thats settled then, nice talking to you jhungary, its good now and again talking to someone sane. till we meet again.
 
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To Many Factors come into Play
For Pakistan to do anything it depends on the economy and geo scenario of that time
So many past problems with each other
Easier said than done
Kashmir issue , sectarian issue , religious issue , past problems, small states

And when you have so many problems your enemy will try to take advantage of this kind of situation in your weakness
I give around 50 more years to see the signs of proper change or else world is at the stage of major catastrophe
 
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Every year, China and Russia hold massive Peace Mission (ground- and air-based) and/or Joint Sea (sea-based) military exercises. The last Peace Mission had "7,000 servicemen from five SCO member states." Joint Sea II 2015 had "22 warships and support vessels" participating.

For 2016, Joint Sea III has already been announced.

At some point, we will have to call SCO a military alliance in all but name.

In fact, Joint Sea (China-Russia) has been the largest naval exercise China had with any country. This proves the significance of China-Russia strategic partnership.

The SCO is a security-oriented organization, it has no economic purpose, although, indirectly, ensuring security will boost development. There is SCO Regional Economic Cooperation forum, but it is just an extension of the main task.

On December 15th, the SCO Heads of Governments (PMs) released the following statement after the meeting (excerpts):

Deeper regional economic interaction has great importance for further improvement of well-being of the peoples of the SCO countries and stable socio-economic development of the SCO member states. Heads of Governments believe that with low restoration rate of the world economy development of regional economic interaction and partnership supports the search for new models of international cooperation and global governance. Gradual progress of this process is a positive factor in the cause of strengthening ties of partnership between states, increasing the volume of investment and consumption, expanding demand and employment, and ultimately securing multi-dimensional, balanced and stable self-sufficient growth. In this regard Heads of Governments reaffirm their support for the initiative of People’s Republic of China to create Silk Road Economic Belt, which is in line with goals of development of the SCO.

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ISIS is a real threat for the West and it will only grow from this point, I am afraid. They should do something about this, perhaps committing more troops and asking the US for further engagement.

IS threatens to invade UK in new execution video - China.org.cn
 
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Two points: first, US will never push any country to the level that she goes to make/join an alliance against US or US led alliance.

Second, this is age of proxies. You never hit your enemy from the front. Such cases are very rare and outdated.


For the world its better to have multi polar system. Let there be three or four or five powerful countries to give stability to tectonic plates.
 
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