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My family fought for Pakistan

You know before I didn't think that, but after actually thinking and interacting with a lot of Pakistanis, I agree we are the same. India does laugh at both Pakistan and Bangladesh because the 1971 is was humiliating for Muslims in general and it was humiliating for Bangladeshis afterwards. India laughs at Pakistan for having her own people fight her and loosing a significant province. India laughs are Bangladesh for no longer being part of the Pakistan Union so they keep Bangladesh from developing since Bangladesh doesn't have the big brother West Pakistan anymore.

Good Luck with that!

I wonder what you mean by "India laughs at Bangladesh".

India has provided B'desh with massive amounts of aid, and provides foodgrains at minimal prices in the interest of Bangladeshis.

Since Zia and the Anti-India brigade had taken over Bangladesh, the muslim reactionary forces work overtime to paint a negative image of India. This is where the relationship soured.

Zia cozied up to the Chinese, and only then did China recognize B'desh as an Independent state!!

You guys shot yourself in your own foot by pissing off the Indian goverment, who have repeatedly assured you guys that there is no threat from India.
I'd suggest that if you are looking for threats, turn your heads north and look at China.

Look at India's relations with Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan. There has been excellent cooperation and mutual trust because the governments have worked towards that. India has helped Bhutan in many ways, and Bhutan supplies india with hyrdoelectric power. Nepal and India share open borders. Sri Lanks acknowledges India's help in fighting the LTTE forces.

Guess what? If Bangladesh made the smallest Indication that she wants better relations with India, India will respond positively.
 
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Look at India's relations with Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan. There has been excellent cooperation and mutual trust because the governments have worked towards that.

Yes, India is a peace loving country that’s why they have seize fire agreements with Pakistan and China and Tamil Tigers have no relations with India.
 
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Yes, India is a peace loving country that’s why they have seize fire agreements with Pakistan and China and Tamil Tigers have no relations with India.

?? What relations do Tamil Tigers have with the Government of India? Please do tell me.
 
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LTTE's main supporters are tamils ouside india. only a few fanatics in tamil nadu support them. by and large indians, even tamilians, hate LTTE.

Remember IPKF? why would we send troops to fight LTTE if we were supporting them?

You didn’t send troops to fight LTTE but to support their cause.

Any ways stick to the topic.
 
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Very brave.

One man slaughters all Indian soldiers around him with weapons and a tank.

How come then he had to hide under a tank in the first place?


Good story.

Who are you trying to oil with such a ridiculous stories.

How many Indian soldiers did he slaughter?

Rambo is a fictional story.

I presume the remainder Bengalis were disloyal.

Indeed, if all Bengalis were so loyal, then how come Bangaldesh came into being?

It is the Razaakar and collaborators who were in the minority and were with the Pakistan Army.

Since you are still there in Bangladesh, why don't you stand up and announce your loyalty to Pakistan.

Let's see how many would be going along with you?

Why blame Yahyah and Bhutto?

They did what they thought was right.

How come your grandfather was unable to translate their message?

Obviously, you contention that Bengalis were loyal is only a way to worm yourself into being liked in this forum.

If Bengalis were so loyal, then they should have rejoined long back.

Why are they not rejoining?

Any answer?

You must remember though this is a Pakistani forum, there are many international citizens on this forum and they are not totally stupid!


Well if you think that is Bull.****, than what about the fake encounter you guys show in Longewala in 1971, where one sardar manages to destroy all Pakistani tanks. When in reality it did not happen. It was a lie. The IAF did the damage. Pakistani tanks suffered about 18 loss and the rest retreated.


Source: The Viewspaper
MAY 4, 2008

The battle of Longewala is a part of army folklore. This is a fairy tale of 100 odd soldiers and their steely resolve, which forced an entire Pakistani brigade, backed by an armoured regiment of 45 tanks, to retreat in the 1971 war. This fascinating story was also captured on celluloid in the film ‘Border’, directed by JP Dutta. The battle of Longewala has been told and retold in military journals and is held out as a shining example to students graduating from the military academies. The sheer valour displayed by Major Kuldeep Singh Chandpuri and his alpha team is just an unmatched feat.


But some war veterans have challenged this story after 37 years. Major General (retd), Atma Singh Hansara, told The Hindustan Times in an interview, “I dispute the ground battle completely. It is mockery of army ethos. No ground battle was fought and the army had merely rehearsed it on a sand model after the ceasefire to cover up the incompetence of senior military commanders.”


Air marshal, MS Bawa, who was directly involved in the war, also agrees with Hansara. He says, “This is a challenge. There was no contact between the enemy and the army.” He further said that the Pakistani thrust was blunted entirely by air action alone.


This controversy made me go through some facts related to the battle. It is very hard for me to believe, as the story of Longewala has motivated several youngsters to join the forces. I tried to read the available journals, articles, magazines and accounts of war heroes to know the truth.


The Air Force War diary says that this turned out to be a clean battle, one of its kind. Even Major General, RF Khambatta, GOC, 12 Infantry Division, lends credence to the Air Force’s claim. Pakistan General, Muqeem, in his book ‘Crisis of Leadership in Pakistan’, mentions that large number of vehicles, tanks and guns got bogged in the sand. The enemy was the master of skies and destroyed 18 tanks and other vehicles at his leisure. The army documents related to war seems to nail the controversy. It only gives credit to Chanpuri’s men for ‘holding out’ a lonely post. The document says, “At Longewala that day, IAF added a glorious new chapter. This was the straight battle between the Pakistan armour and IAF hunters. The bulk of Pak armoured regiment was destroyed by air action alone.”


Truth, it is said, is often the first casualty in war. The controversy has raised several questions that need to be answered. If this is the truth, then why is the army keeping the lie still alive? Is the army taking more credit than it deserves? What incompetence are the military commanders trying to hide? If former officers are correct, then what has propelled them to speak now? They should have protested before or even when the film Border was released.


The Indian army has been in news for wrong reasons, and it is time more facts were made public to put an end to this (de)famed battle. But let’s not make any conclusions unless we hear from both the forces. It is better not to conclude with half knowledge. This is something related to the dignified and respected Indian armed forces, and thus, it is in the interest of services that the truth about the Longewala battle be told to all citizens.


Rishabh Srivastava
 
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The story of Major Sheikh Mobarik Ali shaheed Sitar e Jurat, an officer of Pakistan Army who had his roots in todays Bangladesh. This officer from Bengal displayed extra-ordinary grit, courage, valor and detremination in fighting the Indians at Batapur, Wagha sector in 1965:

Major Sheikh Mobarik Ali SJ belonged to East Pakistan and joined Pakistan Army in 1952 after passing out from 6 PMA Long Course. He joined 16 Punjab Regiment after receiving his commission. The Regiment was then commanded by Lt Col Golewala.

On 6 September 1965, the A Company of 16 Punjab commanded by Major Mobarik was attached with 3 Baloch Regiment to defended the BRB Bridge on GT Road at Batapur in Wagha sector.

The B Company, commanded by Major Nazir Gill of 16 Punjab Regiment was allocated to 22 Brigade, the strike force of 10 Infantry Division, under command of Brigadier Qayyum Sher. Its position on the morning of 6 Sept 1965 was east of BRB Canal at village Bhasin.

The main attack led by Indian 15th Infantry Division on the GT Road axis had come to a grinding halt at the BRB Canal by 10 am on 6 Sept 1965 because of a superhuman effort of 16 Punjab Regiment, 3 Baloch Regiment, 18 Baloch and a company of 11 FF R&S battalion, which prevented the enemy from crossing the BRB bridge at Batapur.

On 8 Sept 1965, a counter offensive led by Brig Qayyum Sher of 22 Brigade threw the Indians back accross the border. The A and B Companies of 16 Punjab Regiment, which were a part of this strike force captured the Indian Posts of Ranian and Kakar accross the border. However, due to shortage of infantry troops, these Indian Posts could not be held for long, and the two companies of 16 Punjab Regiment were ordered to take up positions between milestones 14 and 13 on the GT Road, about a mile and a half east of BRB Canal, ahead of Dograi village. While on the move to their new positions, Major Nazir Gill came under enemy fire and was seriously injured. He was evacuted to the Regimental Aid Post across the BRB canal, while Lt Jaffar took the command of B Company.

By morning of 9th Sept 1965, the A Company of 16 Punjab Regiment, under Command of Major Mobarik Sheikh was entrenched on the left side of the GT Road, facing village Dial where the Indian 54 Brigade had now taken positions. The B Company under command of Lt Jaffar had taken positions on the right side of the GT Road, adjacent to A Company positions, thus effectively blocking the enemys advance towards the BRB Bridge.

The enemy shelled the positions of A and B companies, non stop, untill ceasefire to break the will of these 320 men, but these men stood fast and did not let the enemy advance.

The enemy with a strength of two battalion supported with one squadron of tanks, was entrenched in and around village Dial about 700 yards from the positions of A and B Companies of 16 Punjab.

Major Mobarik Sheikh under took the task of ejecting the enemy on 10 Sept from Dial village and led his Company of 150 men into the attack. The enemy after a tough battle left the village and ran towards the border leaving behind 16 dead, 21 injured (taken POWs) and 3 destroyed tanks. Major Mobarik kept on chasing the retreating enemy and in the process was hit by machine gunnfire and embraced shahadat. Havaldar Durre Aman and Lance Naik Haider Ali got severely wounded while succesfully retrieving the dead body of Major Mobarik shaheed.

The positions held by A and B Company, from 8 Sept to 22 Sept took the life of 12 officers belonging to infantry, armour and artillery, 106 jawans and critically wounded 116 all other ranks. Only 48 Men out of 320 survived when ceasefire took place.

The 16th Punjab Regiment had the honors of fighting against the Germans in the First World War at Flanders / Ypres where it performed Khattak dance before launching its deadly attack. It was then known as 40 Pathaan Regiment. The 40th Pathans fought with great gallantry in the Second Battle of Ypres, where they suffered 320 casualties on 26 April, and in the Battles of Aubers Ridge and Loos. The 40th Pathans suffered a total of 800 casualties (killed or wounded) during the First World war.
 
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