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My Faith is on Trail once again .. why ?

If muslims really want to cme out of this predicament they need to expalin the concept of " islam is a religion of peace " to their own brethern who are killing and inflating hate towards non-muslims . all those secular/moderate muslims need to target those mullahs who preach hate against non-muslims and incite youngsters to wage a jihad against non-muslims...
Trying to explain hw peaceful islam is to non-muslims wnt be much fruitful bcz to many of us islam is like an other religion on earth , until we start to hear sme nutjobs creating chaos in the name of islam. the situation just gets exacerbated when it happens within/closer to our own country that is when we really start looking at islam with apprehension...
If muslims really want to cme out of this predicament they need to expalin the concept of " islam is a religion of peace " to their own brethern who are killing and inflating hate towards non-muslims . all those secular/moderate muslims need to target those mullahs who preach hate against non-muslims and incite youngsters to wage a jihad against non-muslims...
Trying to explain hw peaceful islam is to non-muslims wnt be much fruitful bcz to many of us islam is like an other religion on earth , until we start to hear sme nutjobs creating chaos in the name of islam. the situation just gets exacerbated when it happens within/closer to our own country that is when we really start looking at islam with apprehension...
Dude can you explain what is this "moderate" Muslim i am raised in Canada and i am yet to find a moderate/secular Muslim.

Your definition of mod/sec Muslims could be applied to guys like Tariq Fateh founder of Muslim Canadian congress but he has been declared anti Muslim by the imams of mosque in Canada.
 
Dude can you explain what is this "moderate" Muslim i am raised in Canada and i am yet to find a moderate/secular Muslim.

Your definition of mod/sec Muslims could be applied to guys like Tariq Fateh founder of Muslim Canadian congress but he has been declared anti Muslim by the imams of mosque in Canada.

i am hardcore socialist, and muslim, and human... please do read my post# 25 on page 2.

please reply to me once you have read.
 
i am hardcore socialist, and muslim, and human... please do read my post# 25 on page 2.

please reply to me once you have read.
No disrespect sir,but No you are not Muslim according to Learned Imams of Mughal times i suggest you to read the biography of SARMAD KASHANI a sufi of 17th century.Aurangzeb executed him on the charges of blasphemy you know why bcz when emperor ordered him to recite kalima he only recited half of it just like you ---- La ilaha il illlah(There is no god but god) and then stooped.


so had A.Z would have alive today he would have executed you too.so i ask you the question?Did poor sufi had done the appropriate thing.


How many Muslim communist follow Islamic fundamentals---- haj and observing fast etc?


How many communist countries gave relegious freedom?
 
Why After every terrorist attack in west, the Muslims have to prove it to the world that they are not terrorist and no with the Ideology of Terrorism ? Its not that there are no incident where Muslims were brutally Slaughtered by Non-Muslims , why " Radical " word is just reserved for Muslims now ? almost every News Channel ,keep putting it in their headline , associating Terrorist as " Islamic " how many time Muslims have to come out and give the testimony of their Faith ?? and will this ever end ?

I am a Muslim to , i never hurt anyone in my life , I respect other Religions as much i respect Mine , i dont react violently when i see any Insulting Cartoon or Movie about our Prophet's on Internet ,but i move on with a small Wish that " May Allah give them Guidance " but what hurts me when i see Media , who associate my Religion with those blood thirty demons , who justify the Killings of Children's ...

If i am good ,its because what my Religion taught me, and if i have anything bad its because of my own faults, but still every time any incident happen in west , my whole faith and religion be put in the trail , Mistakes of some become curse for many ? why ??

People want secular Muslims to step up and fight , but Question is which media have time for secular Muslims ? when did the last time any western media present Islam form a different Prospectus ? there is no flaws in Islam but in those who are misleading and preaching it to others , I dont Blame a common man who is living in west , a life where he work , go out with friends , beaches and Parks, chill in Clubs .. when he experience a Terrorist attack , what kind of feeling they have about certain people , but Media ....they do the work of Petrol in the fire , Instead of trying to differentiate between Terrorist and Muslims , they rise question like " does a Muslim living in your neighborhood can be trusted " anyone in west and there might be many who have Muslim friends at their college or work , just because of same headline repeating thousands of time over the TV makes them think , that can we even trust the guy whom we call our friend for so many years ??

Saying "La illaha illal la , Muhammadur Rasool Allah " is just enough to be Muslim ?? by having name like Osama , Baghdadi , Omar etc makes you a Muslim ? having a beard is the testimony for being a Muslim ?? ( my skin is the way , i dont have much beard , so does that mean i cant be a Muslim ) ? i didnt go out shooting Allah ho Akbar , everything someone Insult or make fun of my Prophets , so does this action take me the right to be a Muslim ? I am not even punctual with Salah , i dont wear a Salwaar Kameez with high , so does my dressing now present me as a muslim ? Salah , Hajj , Fast is we do for Allah , its his right to punish me for not doing it, i dont offer my Salah for my imam,he has no right to point finger at me and call me a Kafir ....than what does make a Muslim a Real Muslim ?

Been secular mean a true Muslim ?? just because you stand up with idea mostly people follow makes you the right person ?? What is our identity ? Wearing Jeans, Glasses , sneakers , dressed up like a burger , go over the internet , Talk to peoples , what it does achieve ? a Muslim in west spend his life making good Friends who can trust him ,and one Attack like this put his everything , friendship , Loyalty , Nationalism and even humanity on trail ? is that supposed to be like this ??

I Wish that this Madness of Extremism will end soon , Obviously with out peoples from all over the world , some bunch of Muslims cant do it alone .. In today's world only few types are accepted , and dont see as threat Kids under 10 , old peoples aged 80+ , self hating Muslims , Malala's ...... where and when did a Common Muslim stands in the news headlines of Western Countries ? but right after any incident , suddenly the common Muslim become the prime target for the Media ....why ???

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That is the whole Idea behind false flag operations concerning Muslims; that is to have them fight each other and weaken them.
This only leads one to think, that Islam and Muslims are perceived as strong, very strong and too strong to take on as a whole for anyone on this planet, thus tryng to weaken Islam should be seen and perceived by Muslims as a threat and an ill wishers strategy, that can be answered by unifying the Muslim world and dealing with internal affairs, like "terrorism" from inside.
What happens in other countries with their own citizens that might be Muslims too is their own problem, the same as if it was a criminal gang problem or a Mafia problem or any right wing problem. Muslim nations should not be concerned with this, but work at some security levels with foreign countries on matters related to two or more nations, just like the police and security services interact with each others to prevent and ultimately abort any bad things from happening in both sides or countries. If something bad still happens then they are all to blame, not only one of them.
In the latest French case, it was totally a French problem with French citizens unhappy about some cartoons, it could also have been perpetrated by some right wing extremists unhappy about immigration or other matters. It already happened in Scandinavia when one right wing Scandinavian "loner" killed 30 or 40 people for some reason of his own...People started blaming Muslims for that too, including the media, which contributed to give a gratuitous bad name to Islam even it has nothing to do with the events at all. No retractions of those media opinions were ever made even after finding the truth and facts behind those killings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
No disrespect sir,but No you are not Muslim according to Learned Imams of Mughal times i suggest you to read the biography of SARMAD KASHANI a sufi of 17th century.Aurangzeb executed him on the charges of blasphemy you know why bcz when emperor ordered him to recite kalima he only recited half of it just like you ---- La ilaha il illlah(There is no god but god) and then stooped.

so had A.Z would have alive today he would have executed you too.so i ask you the question?Did poor sufi had done the appropriate thing.

if you must give aurangzeb as example you must also give the earlier hashisheen as examples, for they were taliban of those times who at bigger level did what aurangzeb did... hashisheeen not only murdered philosophers and scientists but also tried to kill sultan salahuddin.

How many Muslim communist follow Islamic fundamentals---- haj and observing fast etc?

if one decides being muslim as constantly fasting and praying, then taliban and ikhwaan and qaeda are true muslim.

tell me, did the mongols adopt islam because they found the praying and other rituals superior to other religions... or did they find something sensible in islam??

How many communist countries gave relegious freedom?

it seems jamal abdul nasser had banned loudspeaker prayer announcements ( azaan ), yet nasser was among the greatest of muslim leaders whose influence went beyond egypt and africa.

libya theoretically had the closest to true communist democracy, and the present imam of all muslims is muammar gaddafi, disregarding if he is dead or alive... his version of islam is what is true islam... please note that his enemies were friends - no, puppets - of western governments.
 
if you must give aurangzeb as example you must also give the earlier hashisheen as examples, for they were taliban of those times who at bigger level did what aurangzeb did... hashisheeen not only murdered philosophers and scientists but also tried to kill sultan salahuddin.



if one decides being muslim as constantly fasting and praying, then taliban and ikhwaan and qaeda are true muslim.

tell me, did the mongols adopt islam because they found the praying and other rituals superior to other religions... or did they find something sensible in islam??



it seems jamal abdul nasser had banned loudspeaker prayer announcements ( azaan ), yet nasser was among the greatest of muslim leaders whose influence went beyond egypt and africa.

libya theoretically had the closest to true communist democracy, and the present imam of all muslims is muammar gaddafi, disregarding if he is dead or alive... his version of islam is what is true islam... please note that his enemies were friends - no, puppets - of western governments.
1)Muslim don't criticize A.Z or for that matter Taliban bcz they are just following the basic fundamentals of islam

2)Then what is fault of Taliban and isis they are just following their scriptures but with more vigour then ordinary Muslim.


3)plz don't mention countries like libiya and leaders like Nasir bcz he wasn't even secular let alone commie.
 
@rockstar08...

sorry, my friend... you created this thread with good intentions and a questioning mind, but the thread has become something else, another hindu vs muslim fight... i request you to ask mods to lock thread.

1)Muslim don't criticize A.Z or for that matter Taliban bcz they are just following the basic fundamentals of islam

2)Then what is fault of Taliban and isis they are just following their scriptures but with more vigour then ordinary Muslim.

3)plz don't mention countries like libiya and leaders like Nasir bcz he wasn't even secular let alone commie.

post reported.
 
its nothing but a lol and rant thread....

yesterday only there was a thread on goumutra( cow urine) and i have seen how much muslims respect other religion... many times i have observed Muslims here taking dig on jews, sharing funny pics of jesus... but can't tolerate other doing it on their religion...
so, better stop this crocodile tears... nothing has changed in this world since French attack and nothing gonna change...
 
@rockstar08...

sorry, my friend... you created this thread with good intentions and a questioning mind, but the thread has become something else, another hindu vs muslim fight... i request you to ask mods to lock thread.



post reported.
Than you
 
The problem my friend is that certain Muslims are so corrupt and hypocritical that they deliberately use the name of Islam for their political gains. For example Caliph of all goats, Goat Al Baghdadi was a criminal yet years later he appears with big beard and calls himself leader of the faithful and he managed to gather substantial followers to capture large amount of land. Now you think what Non Muslims must fear from this ideology of Islam? I too would be scared of Islam if that's the image Muslims are showing is beheading soldiers, Shia Muslims, Christians and Yazidis, taking Non Muslim girls as young as 5 year old as sex slaves, calling for war against all non Muslims. I don't think I would want any one like that in my country.

Media makes profit by selling story. Spicy headlines is what feeds them. There are enough chaos in Muslim countries but then you have 2nd 3rd Generation migrants attacking their own countries. Islam means peace and submission to the will of God, you cannot achieve that without being at peace with yourself and with others. But outsiders will always judge Islam based on what its followers are doing. unfortunately the followers are doing too good.

Your point about moderate Muslims not getting your voices heard is fair. It is very hard for peaceful Muslims to get their voices heard because peace will not make a great headline for news papers. Only way is to keep trying and continue to speak out.

The way to speak up would be to not just condemn all forms of terrorism but help the local authorities on cracking down on hidden extremists within Muslim communities. I would suggest more Muslims to join the Police and Armed forces and help fight against terrorists. Throw away medieval thinking of us and them. Don't let some Middle Eastern countries fund your mosques or religious schools, we have seen the damages they have done in Pakistan. Don;t let some fat sheikhs ruin your lives in Europe because the fat sheikhs themselves live in fancy palaces in their own countries. it is the European Muslims who will have to face the back lash.

PS I would suggest mods to thread ban most of Indians here. They are only here to troll and will derail another thread like they have done to others. @Jungibaaz @Horus @jaibi
 
There was a Muslim officer who lost his life defending the French in the same attack. Check the numbers, we lost the most blood in this war, if anyone doubts our commitment to tolerance then they need a reality check. Secondly, the poster has shared their opinion, I'm pretty sure it was not to be judged or used as a vehicle to cement your own prejudice. Thirdly, this very much concerns us not just as faithful but as people and your name calling/prejudice or whatever won't help anyone, even you. So why bother? If you've got nothing positive to contribute then, please, don't add more garbage to an already stinky world. Let's clean up, not make it messier.

PS A MUSLIM stepped up to defend your faith in that thread. So, take an example of tolerance and get some sense. You see, these barbarians use our mutual hatred to feul their barbarity. So let's cut the feul.

its nothing but a lol and rant thread....

yesterday only there was a thread on goumutra( cow urine) and i have seen how much muslims respect other religion... many times i have observed Muslims here taking dig on jews, sharing funny pics of jesus... but can't tolerate other doing it on their religion...
so, better stop this crocodile tears... nothing has changed in this world since French attack and nothing gonna change...
 
Please don't lock the thread, instead report people you find are not adding constructive posts.

Use the report feature and don't feed the trolls.
 
The problem my friend is that certain Muslims are so corrupt and hypocritical that they deliberately use the name of Islam for their political gains. For example Caliph of all goats, Goat Al Baghdadi was a criminal yet years later he appears with big beard and calls himself leader of the faithful and he managed to gather substantial followers to capture large amount of land. Now you think what Non Muslims must fear from this ideology of Islam? I too would be scared of Islam if that's the image Muslims are showing is beheading soldiers, Shia Muslims, Christians and Yazidis, taking Non Muslim girls as young as 5 year old as sex slaves, calling for war against all non Muslims. I don't think I would want any one like that in my country.

Media makes profit by selling story. Spicy headlines is what feeds them. There are enough chaos in Muslim countries but then you have 2nd 3rd Generation migrants attacking their own countries. Islam means peace and submission to the will of God, you cannot achieve that without being at peace with yourself and with others. But outsiders will always judge Islam based on what its followers are doing. unfortunately the followers are doing too good.

Your point about moderate Muslims not getting your voices heard is fair. It is very hard for peaceful Muslims to get their voices heard because peace will not make a great headline for news papers. Only way is to keep trying and continue to speak out.

The way to speak up would be to not just condemn all forms of terrorism but help the local authorities on cracking down on hidden extremists within Muslim communities. I would suggest more Muslims to join the Police and Armed forces and help fight against terrorists. Throw away medieval thinking of us and them. Don't let some Middle Eastern countries fund your mosques or religious schools, we have seen the damages they have done in Pakistan. Don;t let some fat sheikhs ruin your lives in Europe because the fat sheikhs themselves live in fancy palaces in their own countries. it is the European Muslims who will have to face the back lash.

PS I would suggest mods to thread ban most of Indians here. They are only here to troll and will derail another thread like they have done to others. @Jungibaaz @Horus @jaibi

well as far as i know , the mostly educated Muslim do condemn the terrorist attacks , throughout the world ..the problem remain same that Religion was and will be used as a motivational tool to gain certain desires of some power loving monsters ..
i am not blaming here anyone but asking a simple Question to all those who think a secular Muslim should raised it voice, but think a person who's loyalty , honesty and patriotism be destroyed by continuously raising a Question marks on his existence in the western country , how come the secular Muslim living in West will gain strength to come out and speak ? and yet again who will listen to them ?? peoples do remember peoples like Baghdadi but forget hero's like Aytizaz hussain ..who laid their life to protect other ... i havent seen once about the French Police officer . .
one more Question which raise in mind , that when a Muslim living in a Non Muslim Country Achieve anything , they always come up with like " he is XYZ country Citizen first " than he is a Muslim ... but when it comes to terrorism " he become a Muslim first " , we all know those who attack Magazine Office were French Citizens , so why not say French Radical Islamist Citizen ??

and @WebMaster @waz @Horus clean the thread and ban indians please
 

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