My Faith is on Trail once again .. why ?

[Prometheus]

there is lack of tolerance in Islam and extremism has deep roots in muslims ..............and its not a new phenomena ......as people will say that because of policies of USA , extremism is increasing.....................there was no USA when Sikh gurus were killed for not converting to Islam .....and thats part of Sikh History.

and coming to modern day incidents ...........ISIS is selling non-muslim girls as slaves and justifying it in the name of Islam ......

going a little back wards ........ when Taliban was in power in Afghanistan , they blew up 1700 years old world heritage and religious site of Budhism because it was against Islam

After 1,700 years, Buddhas fall to Taliban dynamite - Telegraph


Islam needs reform and change .........its 21st Century ................

Christians agrued against bible and Chruch , then only they made many world changing discoveries , may it be related to solar system or occurances of diseases .............Islam has to follow the path ...........

TOLERANCE IS THE WAY FORWARD

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Try Hinduism...such difficult name would only arise from there!

Nice.

 

[Sliver]

Brothers in faith which crosses boarders...
While you people even question blacks (based on colour)
Muslims (based on faith)
Romanian (based on race)

No matter where these people are/ were born they are questioned ....based on where they were born based on which colour and race...how is that not alienating based on something not in one's power?

faith is a choice...

Those are the laws of those countries...How a Latino and a black is treated "differently" or a Romanian for Europe...Just coz your country's laws do it doesnt mean every American is treating every Latino nor is every European treating every Romanian like that!

In Islam A Sultanate is a wrong form of system...Yet we have Muslim Sultanates! Speaks heaps of the example you are tying to use!

What about Israel? I dont justify this...Anyone can pick up anything and commit a crime...do we Muslims have a copyright bridging issue? Nope...Can we stop someone from saying ALLAH HU AKBAR? nope...


Our countries dont preach secularist nor democracy! They are what they show themselves to be...Since they dont preach those 2 they cant be prosecuted by laws we dont have...What's West's excuse for comparing themselves to such countries while uplifting secular and democratic notions?

The right can only be used in the country that allows it!

What nut jobs were threatening the colonial rule? What about the WW2 what nut jobs created that? What about the cold war who was providing the weapons and backing it? Gulf war? Vietnam war? Korean War? Africa? The KKK? who actually provoked all those? Iraq ? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Drones in remote villages of Jordan?

Actually more like every white who commits a crime being considered psychologically unstable!

Do you not want to know what happened so future attacks can be avoided by not attacking more countries and creating an easy pool of recruits for them? If you cant think far then I suggest you will be shocked everytime history repeats itself!
It did...if your media didnt cover it...that is your media's fault not that we didnt...But mind you we are also fighting a war that America left behind due to their eagerness to crush USSR! A war we are paid to fight to get our soldiers killed coz America couldnt sweep the mess up after they left after the cold war! Your politicians realize, they dont say it doesnt mean they arent fixing it!

But if you cant analyze and keep being their sheep then you will never learn...Terrorist never learned a drop about Islam they are only fueled by anger...

And what have we been doing on our side of the border? Respecting every decision by America? Fighting our own war by a bunch of American created baboons armed by America once upon a time ...



One needs to ask how many exactly how many damages did you guys do which the world is paying a hefty price for?! Have you asked yourself that? Have you? Or do you think you are god and never make mistakes?


Hence you are not Ahmedi @Pakistani Exile report him!

so you claim all your wrong dings as a result of provocation and do nothing to correct your mistakes!

that is exactly where the mistake lies.

 

[Shot-Caller]

Its sad that after such terrorist attacks, its the secular and good muslims who face its wrath.
To be frank I think its high time Muslims introspected as to what has gone wrong and where in their religion. Being defensive wont help.
But what the rest of the world must understand is that because of few psycho men and women (like Hyat and Qureshi bros) the whole commuinity which they belong to should not be sullied and blamed, for terrorists have no religion.

One of the policeman who died in the France attack was a muslim and it were the muslims who carried "Je suis Charlie" (I'm Charlie) signboards to mosques.


You're a good human being bro.

Your analysis is balanced. There's nothing to introspect though, there are extremist which other peaceful Muslims don't endorse. Now the responsibility lies on these big media houses that play a very important role in perception building. They are controlling the thought process of people. Even if a person thinks he knows they're going a bit too far with their bias but watches it will somewhere get things planted in his sub conscious and if it happens again he may start believing it. So Muslims have condemned, disowned and protested against terrorism if there's anything left that is we also take up arms and fight against them which won't be a solution to the problem. The world needs to understand its responsibility and differentiate between terrorists and Muslims. Every religion has its own set of extremists but only because they don't kill in the name of their religion, they're alright? No. So if media is used to change things in a positive manner the terrorists recruiters will eventually go out of work and this menace will be eradicated.

 

[Dubious]

1)I am not saying that but govt who supported those regime,why are so shy in accepting that they had the support of learned Muslim scholars and even today some educated Muslim supports them

Learn to differentiate your kinds from learned scholars!

2)What's difference does it make?You can have me ban if u want to but again i am saying i have not said against relegion but you never criticize members cursing others sects and religions even on this thread.

What I do with them is not your business...Indian detected!

 

[Pakistani E]

Brothers in faith which crosses boarders...
While you people even question blacks (based on colour)
Muslims (based on faith)
Romanian (based on race)

No matter where these people are/ were born they are questioned ....based on where they were born based on which colour and race...how is that not alienating based on something not in one's power?

faith is a choice...

Those are the laws of those countries...How a Latino and a black is treated "differently" or a Romanian for Europe...Just coz your country's laws do it doesnt mean every American is treating every Latino nor is every European treating every Romanian like that!

In Islam A Sultanate is a wrong form of system...Yet we have Muslim Sultanates! Speaks heaps of the example you are tying to use!

What about Israel? I dont justify this...Anyone can pick up anything and commit a crime...do we Muslims have a copyright bridging issue? Nope...Can we stop someone from saying ALLAH HU AKBAR? nope...


Our countries dont preach secularist nor democracy! They are what they show themselves to be...Since they dont preach those 2 they cant be prosecuted by laws we dont have...What's West's excuse for comparing themselves to such countries while uplifting secular and democratic notions?

The right can only be used in the country that allows it!

What nut jobs were threatening the colonial rule? What about the WW2 what nut jobs created that? What about the cold war who was providing the weapons and backing it? Gulf war? Vietnam war? Korean War? Africa? The KKK? who actually provoked all those? Iraq ? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Drones in remote villages of Jordan?

Actually more like every white who commits a crime being considered psychologically unstable!

Do you not want to know what happened so future attacks can be avoided by not attacking more countries and creating an easy pool of recruits for them? If you cant think far then I suggest you will be shocked everytime history repeats itself!
It did...if your media didnt cover it...that is your media's fault not that we didnt...But mind you we are also fighting a war that America left behind due to their eagerness to crush USSR! A war we are paid to fight to get our soldiers killed coz America couldnt sweep the mess up after they left after the cold war! Your politicians realize, they dont say it doesnt mean they arent fixing it!

But if you cant analyze and keep being their sheep then you will never learn...Terrorist never learned a drop about Islam they are only fueled by anger...

And what have we been doing on our side of the border? Respecting every decision by America? Fighting our own war by a bunch of American created baboons armed by America once upon a time ...



One needs to ask how many exactly how many damages did you guys do which the world is paying a hefty price for?! Have you asked yourself that? Have you? Or do you think you are god and never make mistakes?


Hence you are not Ahmedi @Pakistani Exile report him!

I have, I hope the mods take action. He's definitely not an Ahmadi.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

As @Areesh said in some other thread, we Muslims must come out of the guilty complex for each and every act of terrorism

We are not guilty of anything, why should we fear ??

 

[Sliver]

@Akheilos pointing at other flaws does not absolve you of your mistakes!

 

[Gunsnroses]

zajiya

Can you please enlighten me what is zajiya? Or whatever it is?

Is it something oppressing in sharia?

 

[Ranndhawa]

Why are you so shy to tell your original religion? Are you that ashamed?

I have done nothing wrong to ashamed my relegion.

 

[Dubious]

so you claim all your wrong dings as a result of provocation and do nothing to correct your mistakes!

It is no hidden secret how many Pakistanis are against their own govt! Hence, it is not OUR wrong doings nor OUR mistakes...Did the people who committed the crimes ask us before doing so? Was our opinion taken that it becomes our mistakes?

that is exactly where the mistake lies.

It lies if we sided it...not if we didnt....While an America wanna be like @Syed.Ali.Haider and few others here will quickly jump in to support American govt be they do good or wrong...Like a blinded sheep who bows to anything we dont! When we dont even support our govt's doing, blaming us for what is going on is really offensive! But those who cant criticize American govt def can be blamed....or do you disagree?

 

[Pakistani E]

I have done nothing wrong to ashamed my relegion.

Then stop hiding behind Ahmadis and tell it openly.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I have done nothing wrong to ashamed my relegion.

You have been excommunicated from your faith, if you were Muslim. Tough luck. At best, you are an apostate, at worse, Hindu.

These are not my words, just putting the general mood we see into words.

 

[Sliver]

@Faizan Memon
the request and desire from every muslim, if any, is that
1)the peaceful majority should be really reigning in the extremist radicals in your faith.
2) If non-Muslims take up action against these people, recognize that its not against your religion but against those pigs an we require you to unequivocally be on our part instead of condoning the actions of the pigs.

we will reciprocate the same.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Indian detected!

If you have a few tips to detect one, pls post here. Will design an algorithm. Many US based customers would be willing to use them before dialing customer care.