Muslims Want Reservation, Not Quran and Computers: Owaisi

[utraash]

How many times should I say that the issue of dalit is not an economic issue but a social issue. Why an office room occupied by an out going dalit officer is washed with ganga water and yagna-havan is done before an upper caste officer occupies his chamber? Why Sampoornanand Sanskrit University was purified after the visit of Jagjivan Ram? Why a temple was purified after a dalit CM visited it? Do you not see what the problem is? All this treatment was given to big people like Union Minister, Chief Minister and gazetted officers, not to poor people. Gentleman, this problem is not economic. You need to unlearn a lot of things to be able to understand this basic thing.

Secondly, there is no time limit for reservations in the constitution. It only talks of reviewing this policy. Also, there should not be any issue if there is an elite class created in dalit community. Each community has an elite class, so why there should be a problem with elite among dalits? I repeat being a Union Cabinet Minister, Chief Minister or Millionnaire does not unmake them a dalit and the stigma remains. But its fading and soon it will vanish like polio virus vanished from India.We need to ensure that immunization process does not stop unless the evil virus is eliminated forever.

Am I sounding to contradict with you on first sentence of your above post ....? No... Infact this was exactly what I m trying to say, social ills cant be killed thru economical privileges guaranteed in constitution ..... Education only can eradicate such evils from our society..... No amount of reservations can bring the social changes or change in the mindsets of ppl....

As for second para, I care more for a poor ppl irrespective of background than financially elite class....

Btw you skipped to answer my question of previous post....

 

[utraash]

No, I am from Lucknow which was stolen from us. Both my parents were born in Lucknow. My mothers side is ansari from barabanki born in Lucknow. Barabanki is their ancestral hometown. I won't share fathers hometown with a fanatic like you.

My grandfather from my mothers side married each and every daughter to those who went to Pakistan and was a supporter of said country till his death. There would be fights over cricket matches between muslims and hindus over support for Pakistan.

I did not leave Lucknow. It was temporary move out of the place so that later when Pakistan and Lucknow are one I can return. Right now I can't because of Hindutva trolls like yourself.

The state of the muslim as a people is in collapse BUT that does not mean they will not rise again. Till then enjoy this video from your native Hyderabad:

You are pitching in to defend a known Hindutva troll. I have no negative opinion of muslims left there which I should change. Some of them living there for 60+ years will obviously become loyal to the hindutvadi regime. I was stating muslims shouldn't rebel like some did when your hindutva friend came along.

Also I was in Lucknow for 2 years approximately and also there is the time I was there during the Samjhauta express incident which was blamed on Pakistan but was in the end a work by sadhvi pragya and purohit, so thats how the media operates. Rest of my time has been spent in the gulf and Canada while some years in Pakistan. I have met Lucknowites. Some don't favor independence but a sizeable number do support Pakistan. You can ask your grand father if he voted for the muslim league in 45/46 elections and he will tell you he did.

Here is a statistic. 90%+ of UP muslims and 75%+ of all muslims voted for an independent Pakistan. Still there remains in many families left there support for Pakistan. This is a reality you are unwilling to admit.

Look at it this way. Where are you going to go when Hindutva's attack you. Indonesia, Pakistan? Because now thats where we went when the hindutva's struck. The new generation of muslims in India are ignoring a reality that might eat them alive.

My advise to you is, don't burn all your bridges. Pakistan was made for oppressed muslims of the subcontinent AND before you say anything else Look at 1992 mumbai and 2002 Gujarat riots. Do you know some of the victims went to Pakistan? Don't burn all your bridges. You might be reliant on Pakistan for help one day.

Also no one migrates from his native hometown unless there is extreme oppression. Remember that. You might be forced out of your village too.

I have seen your grossly insensitized post towards Indian Muslims, some time mocking them being indian n some other time abetting them to be suicidal.... Though you couldn't get many audiences here to cry over your- self oppressed n bigoted version except Muja-Jhand type....
Those Muslim who moved away from here did more unforgettable beneficence to us than you.... @levina

Those who couldn't live rightfully with their own Muslim brother of east is now professing Indian Muslim how oppressive were/are Hindus ...
If you dig deeper into the history, one the horrific crimes against humanity committed by your Muslim messengers from west ... They desecrated our temples from somnath to kashi, kashi to nalanda, killed raped millions in entire course of history( I can quote figures if you wish) n now you have bizarre audacity to lecture the Hindus on intolerant version of Hinduism...... It was Muslims only who went on record after record in mass killing in the subcontinent....
No match for hypocrisy.....

Now come to post partition, few incidents doesn't perturb our belief on equal treatment guaranteed in the constitution which is why many Muslim living here with us n contributing to nation building as anyone else from other faith(Abdul Hameed to Kalam sahab).... However many Indians have condemn heavily including me against those fringe groups(Muslims or Hindu) which perpetuate religious bigotry.....

So I suggest you not to decoy here with your usual whining while bragging about Lucknowi links....

Pretty off topic post

 

[haviZsultan]

I do not have to live by your assumptions nor do I live under perennial fear psychosis that someone will attack us. Sectarian violence is not privy to India alone. Tell me where did hindus go when muslims invaded India? We dont live in medieval period that rulers belong to one class or religion and all others are subjugated. We are a democracy. I disagree with you that Pakistan was made for oppressed muslims. Can you tell me who oppressed muslims in India? And when migration took place, it was mostly muslim royalties and rich that migrated and poorest of poor stayed back. Gujarat and similar communal violence are a blot to our democracy but its not unique to us. Most developing nations are struggling with violence.

My marriage and my husband's business have forced me to migrate to Mumbai. From living in a Haveli in my village, I have "progressed" to live in an apartment who else do you think will force me to migrate from my village?

You are being negligent of a reality. Riots can occur anytime and in any place and Hindutva forces can force you out of your village as they did with many other people. Why so unwary of this reality. Gujarat Mumbai, no one expected what happened with them.

I think this is pretty much a canard that the rich migrated and the poor remained. There are several stories of poorer households who lost everything migrating as well. Also my grandfather from my fathers side was never rich. He at best managed to become a school teacher after he migrated though he did have claim to property in Lucknow which obviously went to the rest of the family that had stayed. My mother probably lived most of her life in Lucknow, though I am not sure and will ask her sometime. But she had no problem merging in the Pakistani fabric.

This state was built for every oppressed muslim. I strongly stand by that.

I can never defend divisive forces, be they hindutva forces or islamic radicals. You are still having a medieval mindset when sultanates and regimes were the order of the day. We are a democracy and we are party to governance. We are loyal to ourselves. In last 67 years of our freedom, we had less than 7 years of rule by hindutva party. There is no reason for anyone in India to rebel.

You are a woman with free will and free choice. You can support India as you see fit and my solution to the problem may not apply to you. Happy?

The Kashmiris sure have reason to rebel and many during operation polo too fought with steel and veins of iron against India. Anyway to you be what you believe is best and to me be my ideals and thought. I do not believe in a united India. It was put together by the British to keep muslims weak and divided. Lucknow and many parts of what has now become UP should have gone to Pakistan.

Jinnah was right when he stated we secured only a moth eaten and broken Pakistan. Anyway thanks for the debate.

 

[Hindustani78]

Here the talk is about the reservation of Maharashtrian Muslims who are native people of Maharashtra.

According to 2009 report.

According to the report released by State Government, out of 48 districts in Maharashtra Muslim population in 35 districts is between 23 thousand and 400 thousands amounting to a total of 10207485 Muslims. In 16 of these 35 districts Muslim population is one forth.

The districts where Muslims are in a sizeable numbers are Dhule where the Muslim population is 149466 out of the total population of 1707947, Jalgaon (405228 out of 3682690) Buldana (285783 out of 2232480), Akola (296272 out of 1630239), Amrawati (347256 out of 2107160), Aurangabad (569516 out of 2897013).

Other Muslim majority areas are Nasik (525993), Thane (880817), Beed (256582), Parbhani (243093), Latur (292996), Usmanabad (151181), Sholapur (377574), Kolhapur (238875) and Sangli (23524).

 

[haviZsultan]

I have seen your grossly insensitized post towards Indian Muslims, some time mocking them being indian n some other time abetting them to be suicidal.... Though you couldn't get many audiences here to cry over your- self oppressed n bigoted version except Muja-Jhand type....
Those Muslim who moved away from here did more unforgettable beneficence to us than you.... @levina

Lol. I simply stated muslims left there (many/some of them) would raise arms against India themselves and fight for Pakistan. I am from Lucknow so I know such muslims. These are an asset to Pakistani. I never mocked Indian muslims for being what they want themselves called.

Those who couldn't live rightfully with their own Muslim brother of east is now professing Indian Muslim how oppressive were/are Hindus ...

Its no wonder Akbaruddin Owaisi made that statement. He must have gotten tired of all the lectures and bullying of you and your typical Indian stooges.

If you dig deeper into the history, one the horrific crimes against humanity committed by your Muslim messengers from west ... They desecrated our temples from somnath to kashi, kashi to nalanda, killed raped millions in entire course of history( I can quote figures if you wish) n now you have bizarre audacity to lecture the Hindus on intolerant version of Hinduism...... It was Muslims only who went on record after record in mass killing in the subcontinent....
No match for hypocrisy.....

I will not respond to your spewed rubbish against muslims. Except the Timurids no muslim ruler brutalized hindus. This is a cannard used by you Hindutvadis to spit venom on Islam and muslims. We will get our independence. Lucknow is ours and always was ours. Even Hyderabad and Delhi. If you are so interested visit Chowk in Lucknow near the maternity hospital and opposite the chirya ghar. That is my area.

Now come to post partition, few incidents doesn't perturb our belief on equal treatment guaranteed in the constitution which is why many Muslim living here with us n contributing to nation building as anyone else from other faith(Abdul Hameed to Kalam sahab).... However many Indians have condemn heavily including me against those fringe groups(Muslims or Hindu) which perpetuate religious bigotry...

You were a moment ago shouting about (non-existant?) Muslim oppression of Hindus. Make up your mind. Who is oppressing who. I believe Abdul Hameed was someone you just invented just to show how Muslims were a part of the army when less than 3% of your army is muslim.

So I suggest you not to decoy here with your usual whining while bragging about Lucknowi links....

Pretty off topic post

Go peddle your rubbish elsewhere. Lucknowis never bow down to anyone. Research the Rohillas, Delhi sultanate Lodhis durranis and many others. We own this land and it is no one but ours. Down with people like you and your India.

 

[13 komaun]

Lol. I simply stated muslims left there (many/some of them) would raise arms against India themselves and fight for Pakistan. I am from Lucknow so I know such muslims. These are an asset to Pakistani. I never mocked Indian muslims for being what they want themselves called.



Its no wonder Akbaruddin Owaisi made that statement. He must have gotten tired of all the lectures and bullying of you and your typical Indian stooges.



I will not respond to your spewed rubbish against muslims. Except the Timurids no muslim ruler brutalized hindus. This is a cannard used by you Hindutvadis to spit venom on Islam and muslims. We will get our independence. Lucknow is ours and always was ours. Even Hyderabad and Delhi. If you are so interested visit Chowk in Lucknow near the maternity hospital and opposite the chirya ghar. That is my area.

You were a moment ago shouting about (non-existant?) Muslim oppression of Hindus. Make up your mind. Who is oppressing who. I believe Abdul Hameed was someone you just invented just to show how Muslims were a part of the army when less than 3% of your army is muslim.



Go peddle your rubbish elsewhere. Lucknowis never bow down to anyone. Research the Rohillas, Delhi sultanate Lodhis durranis and many others. We own this land and it is no one but ours. Down with people like you and your India.

Lucknow is yours??

Are you S.P supporter or do you even know what S.P is?

Heck you can't even enter India without Polio certificate.

 

[wolfschanzze]

he can answer you on this

For that speech he ran to england citing stroke attack and didnt even come to India,when Police put a case against him.We know his reality,he can shout in small lanes of old city hyderabad,but outside he is a mouse.

Lucknow is yours??

Are you S.P supporter or do you even know what S.P is?

Heck you can't even enter India without Polio certificate.

What a moron, he is sitting in Pakistan and claiming lucknow,Hyderabad and what not .let him claim the world.Everyone will laugh at him.
He claims hyderabad my city,he doesn't know how those Razakars and Nizam bowed down to India,during Hyderabad merger with India.

 

[13 komaun]

For that speech he ran to england citing stroke attack and didnt even come to India,when Police put a case against him.We know his reality,he can shout in small lanes of old city hyderabad,but outside he is a mouse.


What a moron, he is sitting in Pakistan and claiming lucknow,Hyderabad and what not .let him claim the world.Everyone will laugh at him.
He claims hyderabad my city,he doesn't know how those Razakars and Nizam bowed down to India,during Hyderabad merger with India.

Bro delusion is a common trait among some Pakistanis
Fyi last time BJP was in power they use to Lathi charge 'lakhnawis' Babri maszid Action committee.I think he is like our delusional communist friend Jamahir
Off topic

Here is the example of delusions of Pakistanis,you might like it


"Pakistan’s space programme is now ahead of India after the formal launching of Paksat-I and this is due to the hard work of our scientists and I am sure Indians would take another 30 months to do the job,”

Musharaf

 

[haviZsultan]

For that speech he ran to england citing stroke attack and didnt even come to India,when Police put a case against him.We know his reality,he can shout in small lanes of old city hyderabad,but outside he is a mouse.


What a moron, he is sitting in Pakistan and claiming lucknow,Hyderabad and what not .let him claim the world.Everyone will laugh at him.
He claims hyderabad my city,he doesn't know how those Razakars and Nizam bowed down to India,during Hyderabad merger with India.

The razakars and Nizam were heroes who fought back against Indian rule. They were pushed against a wall to be forced to fight back so audaciously. No one with irregular army could have fought with the passion and ferocity than the nizam. I salute the nizam for it. Many people claim the population of Hyderabad was 60% muslim before partition and was reduced to 40% by rioters and mass murderers of RSS and other such groups which were given a free hand in attacking muslims to change the dempographics of the region.

If it was getting us an independent land away from guys like you then I salute Jinnah and Pakistan a thousand times. Pakistan offered my parents a place to call home when they were oppressed. It saved them from Indian bullying. Now at least we can cut and eat cows without hindutvas attacking us. At least we are not blocked from visiting a hospital on the basis of faith (happened once) At least we can vote for our representatives. Thanks to Pakistan we had somewhere to escape to. I salute this country which gave us a new life. You can continue living in denial but one day your country will get whats coming its way too.

The situation rapidly changes in the sub continent. Pakistan which now looks weak and poor may one day exceed and surpass you. Also do note we did not migrate in 1947. lol. So I am not 50+.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Reservation based on will serve as an incentive to convert to that religion.
Reservation is not useful to uplift any people. Why ? I'll start a thread on that.

Not just that! Reservation has been abused by people so much that reservation based on religion will only open floodgates for more abuse. And once it is implemented, it can't ever be undone without Politicians and Muslims alike running amok! As it is, there is no dearth of vote bank politics!

I come from a village in UP and I have seen and felt the horrid conditions of Dalits. They are still looked down upon. From my childhood i have seen only one change that they are no longer treated as untouchables and they dont die of hunger but they are still outcaste. Look at jitan Manjhi, the CM of Bihar, who visited a temple and later it was cleaned with ganga water. Since he is CM it became a news but even when an upper caste hindu Police Inspector of a Thana, takes charge from a dalit incumbent, he also does the same to his office by cleaning with holy water and performing some pooja. Can you sense the underlying discrimination and hatred? If a Dalit CM is treated like that what will be happening to others? His children may not need reservation from economic point of view but from social perspective they definitely need constitutional intervention.
I personally support all constitutional privileges to the people of dalit community and tribals and they dont belong to my religion. For the rest its debatable.


You must know the basis of reservation given to dalits. Its purely social basis not economical. Their economic backwardness is only a by product of their social exploitation. Reservation is given to them to instil self-respect in them and make them feel like humans and be part of the mainstream society. After 67 years of freedom, there are still incidences of their ihuman treatment by the so-called civilized people and they are still not into mainstream.
Majority of India is rural and atrocities are more in rural areas but not limited to villages only. I just gave an example of Bihar CM jitan Manjhi and find out if being rich or being powerful has changed his status.


Dalits account for about 25% of Indian population but they do not even have 2.5% resources of the nation. Illiteracy, malnutrition, infant mortality, poverty, exploitation are highest in this community. If one thing that really makes me ashamed of my country is the condition of dalits. Muslims are poor too and they also are discriminated but not like them. If any reform is needed of this 67 year old framework that is to expedite the process of their upliftment.

Very valid points. There is no denying that Dalits need all help they can get to get their dignity back in the society. It is extremely shameful that we still have such medieval practices in our society. But I think/hope that, with time, we will get of all such ills plaguing our society. Meanwhile, I think we could reform our Police and take strictest action against those offending the Dalits while continuing with awareness programs.

But if reservation hasn't served the Dalits well so far, why should we expand the same failed experiment to include religion/Muslims?

 

[wolfschanzze]

Bro delusion is a common trait among some Pakistanis
Fyi last time BJP was in power they use to Lathi charge 'lakhnawis' Babri maszid Action committee.I think he is like our delusional communist friend Jamahir
Off topic

Here is the example of delusions of Pakistanis,you might like it


"Pakistan’s space programme is now ahead of India after the formal launching of Paksat-I and this is due to the hard work of our scientists and I am sure Indians would take another 30 months to do the job,”

Musharaf

Pakistanis and their delusions what can we say,Dreaming is not a sin

The razakars and Nizam were heroes who fought back against Indian rule. They were pushed against a wall to be forced to fight back so audaciously. No one with irregular army could have fought with the passion and ferocity than the nizam. I salute the nizam for it. Many people claim the population of Hyderabad was 60% muslim before partition and was reduced to 40% by rioters and mass murderers of RSS and other such groups which were given a free hand in attacking muslims to change the dempographics of the region.

If it was getting us an independent land away from guys like you then I salute Jinnah and Pakistan a thousand times. Pakistan offered my parents a place to call home when they were oppressed. It saved them from Indian bullying. Now at least we can cut and eat cows without hindutvas attacking us. At least we are not blocked from visiting a hospital on the basis of faith (happened once) At least we can vote for our representatives. Thanks to Pakistan we had somewhere to escape to. I salute this country which gave us a new life. You can continue living in denial but one day your country will get whats coming its way too.

The situation rapidly changes in the sub continent. Pakistan which now looks weak and poor may one day exceed and surpass you. Also do note we did not migrate in 1947. lol. So I am not 50+.

Oh yeah,My family also fought those Razakars so,please tell us more about irregular army having Submachine guns,when the rest of Hindus had bow and arrows,swords etc.
The villagers of Telangana gave these razakars with guns a run for their money using sticks,swords and old weapons.
All this happened due to the atrocities committed by the Razakars on the Hindu population.

Indeed the Razakars were so fierce the shouted takbir ,rushed and climbed upon armoured cars and tried to stab them with spears and swords thinking they could injure a armoured car with swords and spears..Who we cut down in size. So fierce were they.(fools)

Good that you have your country,do what you want we are not bothered.Your country is still living in Denial,we are separate nations and you already got what was coming, in 1971.

Situation might change in subcontinent, but its left to be seen if Pakistan can survive till then or not?with TTP and ISIS at your doors.India by then would have grown out of reach,if it hasn't already now.
You could migrate any time, even now we don't stop people who want to migrate to Pakistan.

 

[13 komaun]

Pakistanis and their delusions what can we say,Dreaming is not a sin


Oh yeah,My family also fought those Razakars so,please tell us more about irregular army having Submachine guns,when the rest of Hindus had bow and arrows,swords etc.
The villagers of Telangana gave these razakars with guns a run for their money using sticks,swords and old weapons.
All this happened due to the atrocities committed by the Razakars on the Hindu population.

Indeed the Razakars were so fierce the shouted takbir ,rushed and climbed upon armoured cars and tried to stab them with spears and swords thinking they could injure a armoured car with swords and spears..Who we cut down in size. So fierce were they.(fools)

Good that you have your country,do what you want we are not bothered.Your country is still living in Denial,we are separate nations and you already got what was coming, in 1971.

Situation might change in subcontinent, but its left to be seen if Pakistan can survive till then or not?with TTP and ISIS at your doors.India by then would have grown out of reach,if it hasn't already now.
You could migrate any time, even now we don't stop people who want to migrate to Pakistan.

That clown Nizam had its roots in Persia so why the F*** some people consider him the THEKEDAR of Hyderabad and i don't even like name of Hyderabad fkng disgusting

 

[wolfschanzze]

That clown Nizam had its roots in Persia so why the F*** some people consider him the THEKEDAR of Hyderabad and i don't even like name of Hyderabad fkng disgusting

No Telugu people consider him as Thekedar of Hyderabad,We are the original inhabitants of Telangana.
The original name was BhagyaNagar,Named after Bhagya Lakshmi devi,The temple is till located near Charminar and Golconda fort.
The name was changed to Hyderabad by this Turkish Nizam.
These Pakistanis live in delusions,we rule the state not some Nizam.
The real thekedars of Telangana were the Kakatiya Dynasty,Pratapa Rudra built that fort Golaconda.

 

[13 komaun]

No Telugu people consider him as Thekedar of Hyderabad,We are the original inhabitants of Telangana.
The original name was BhagyaNagar,Named after Bhagya Lakshmi devi,The temple is till located near Charminar and Golconda fort.
The name was changed to Hyderabad by this Turkish Nizam.
These Pakistanis live in delusions,we rule the state not some Nizam.
The real thekedars of Telangana were the Kakatiya Dynasty,Pratapa Rudra built that fort Golaconda.

I read about Pratap rudra deva he was a very brave ruler but he was unfortunate that other Hindu rulers didn't supported him like yadavas of Devgiri.

 

[wolfschanzze]

I read about Pratap rudra deva he was a very brave ruler but he was unfortunate that other Hindu rulers didn't supported him like yadavas of Devgiri.

That was the main drawback of Hindu rulers they were not united and were fighting themselves, instead they misjudged the Islamic invaders to be someone like them who fights on dharmic principles only to be proven wrong.Times have changed now, we are united.