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Muslims of India Are Done With Hate And Fear: What Shaheen Bagh Showed Me

Sir, if you were to be completely honest, you'd see how this 'caste' system is prevalent in both of our countries.

sewage workers, toilet cleaners.. jobs almost exclusively reserved for xtians/masihs in Pakistan, just as they are for the 'untouchables' in India.. isn't it ?

@Joe Shearer

its not only for Christians, hindus also take part of this business. Its a choice of their if they dont want to do this job somehow Muslims will find someone among them to do the job so you dont worry its a forceful labor matter fact they make alot more money than shopkeepers in Pak.
 
I don't think the overt government-level anti-Muslim action that @AfrazulMandal speaks of, will happen. The BJP government wouldn't want to alienate the Western and GCC governments.

Maybe the Delhi riots type events will but not a Gujarat or Bombay style bigger conflagration all over India.
Wait, no.

There won't be Govt. sponsored pogroms.

hindus dont need Govt sanction to do that. They do it on their own as part of their religious duty.

What the Govt will do is simpler - they will legitimise the de-citizenship of Muslims.

And no Indian non Muslim community will shed a tear. May be even celebrate. Mark my words.

Those protesting CAA NPR were overwhelmingly Muslim.

India is the second-largest importer of armaments a large portion of which come from the Western bloc. Much of the money to buy these comes again from dealing with the Western bloc. I don't think the Indian IT / ITES sector at least will face boycott in the West.
Lol. Nobody will care NOW if Muslims are converted en masse in India (I don't think physical genocide is the primary goal) or disenfranchised. The West does not care about morality as long as its business interests are safe.

The US has a problem with China NOW ONLY because their trade deficit is now turning them into a dependent.

As long as India remains a milk giving cow - nobody will care if it shits on us.

I don't agree with your conflating Hindutvavad with Hinduism. You know enough to know better.
May be your environment lets you make the distinction. From our side of the fence, we don't see a difference.
 
Those who were close to me involved in these don't say the same. Your perception.

The whole world saw the mass majority of protesters (spontaneous, non sit down types) were non Muslim Indians.

Kapdon se pata lag jata hai. (tongue firmly lodged in cheek)

Cheers, Doc
 
May be your environment lets you make the distinction. From our side of the fence, we don't see a difference.

That is because you don't want to see a difference. This is not a new attitude, and it is one we hope will vanish once the Hindutva forces are fenced in, then forced back. It needs to go, this blanket hostility towards a religion and all its adherents.

Much of the impulse for Hindutva in the first place arose from this simplistic, overbearing attitude, at a time when local power in the cities and in the villages were in the hands of a minority. How does it help you to revert to it? You are playing right into the hands of the Hindutvavadi; ask any of them running around free on this forum. They will acknowledge with barely concealed thankfulness that your statement validates everything that they have been saying and preaching here, and their roughneck counterparts have been saying, preaching and doing in the real world.

In other words, if you want to stop Hindutvavadi, and not just sit in Australia and lick your chops in anticipation of a fun massacre of fellow Muslims, you need to stop giving the bigots oxygen.
 
'Shaheen Bagh and the Idea of India', edited by Seema Mustafa, is a collection of ground reports, essays and interviews with women who were at the core of the protest.
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Mustafa Quraishi
21/07/2020 08:20am IST

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Protesters raise slogans and wave the tricolor ahead of their march to Home Minister Amit Shah's residence, at Shaheen Bagh, on February 16, 2020.
Children in high school get awards like Mr or Miss Popular. In Delhi’s Modern School, Vasant Vihar, in the year 1997, I was given the Jai Hind Award. I was the only one in my batch of 150 who wanted to join the defence forces. I wasn’t being a ‘nationalist’ or a ‘good Muslim’. I didn’t think about these things back then, and I had nothing to prove to anyone. I wanted to fly helicopters for the army, and the idea of defending my country appealed to me.

There was another decision I’d made back then. While most of my batchmates—Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Isaai—wanted to leave India and make a life in the West, I wanted to stay on and live like a first-class citizen. This was home, I could live here as I liked. I owned India, and India owned me.

Cut to 2019, when a right-wing government was voted back to power with a huge mandate, despite its openly communal agenda. For the first time, I looked up the Internet for information to emigrate to some place in Southeast Asia.

Many friends have been leaving, not wanting their kids to grow up in an India that we had never imagined would become a reality. I still haven’t had the spine to fill up the forms, though. In a conversation with my sister-in-law, I told her I would shift out of India with a very, very heavy heart if at all I was compelled to do so to save my life. One of my closest friends still urges me to be pragmatic and leave before it is too late—‘Jaan hai toh jahaan hai,’ he tells me. ‘What use is anything when you’re dead?’ Both my sister-in-law and my friend are ‘Hindu’. I mention their religion because it is now the new normal. (Or maybe I mention their religion as a kind of insurance. Unlike a Patel or a Kapoor who emigrates and becomes a much-admired NRI, a Quraishi who even thinks of emigrating is a traitor. The fact that I have Hindu relatives and friends who care for me and want me to find a safe future outside India might keep the mob from my door.)

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I may have the resources to emigrate. But millions of Indian Muslims don’t have this luxury. Would I be able to live with the guilt of my privilege?


And then I think—why should I leave? Isn’t that exactly what this regime wants?

So then, should I end up living as a second-class citizen in my own country? How is that better than being a second-class citizen somewhere else?

Questions are all I seem to have these days. And few answers.

As I write this, parts of northeast Delhi are burning in riots. Pro-CAA protestors accompanied by the police vs anti-CAA protestors. To put it simply, Hindus, aided by the police, vs Muslims. Houses, shops, schools, places of worship, anything belonging to Muslims is being burnt down. Muslims are being lynched. Hindus are being stabbed and shot, too, but it makes no sense to try and be ‘balanced’ here, because that would be dishonest. It would mean falling into the trap set up by the people who have engineered the riots. There is no doubt that a majority of those who have been killed and injured are Muslim, and almost every house and shop that has been looted and set on fire belonged to Muslims. Often, a shop owned by a Muslim has been burnt down while a shop right next to it that is owned by a Hindu has been left untouched.


A viral video sums up the plight of Indian Muslims today: a group of battered Muslim men lying helpless on a road, surrounded by seven or eight Delhi police personnel. The policemen are abusing the men for demanding ‘azadi’ and forcing them to sing the national anthem. While one policeman films the ‘punishment’ on his phone, his comrades in uniform kick the men and hit them with lathis. The taunts of ‘Ajaddi, hain, Ajaddi?’ are a reference to the anti-
CAA protests that began in Shaheen Bagh. Muslims have been opposing the Citizenship (Amendment) Act and the National Register of Citizens because the two together give the government the power to decide which Muslims, if any, can continue to be Indian citizens. Indians of every other faith are safe. To the Delhi police, which takes orders from the Union government, opposing this injustice is not only a criminal act but also treason.

BJP's Hate Politics in Delhi Runs Deeper Than Shaheen Bagh
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What Prompted Hundreds To Join Shaheen Bagh-Like Protests In Chennai's Old Washermanpet?
Never in my wildest dreams had I imagined that seventy-three years after Independence we would be discussing the citizenship of India’s Muslims instead of all that really matters. I never thought about being Indian, I always just was—it’s like breathing. To have your citizenship questioned is to have your life-breath taken away.

The Muslims of India, from all corners and of all backgrounds, are protesting in unison for the first time in the history of the Indian republic because this is an existential moment for all of us. And this time we aren’t backing down. We aren’t taking any more of the hate lying down, we aren’t taking the ‘Go to Pakistan’ jibes anymore. We are done with the hate and the fear and the constant questioning of our patriotism. This is what Shaheen Bagh showed me. I still have many questions, few answers, but in Shaheen Bagh I found my country again. I reclaimed my citizenship.


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Excerpted from Shaheen Bagh and the Idea of India: Writings on a Movement for Justice, Liberty and Equality, edited by Seema Mustafa. Published by Speaking Tiger Books, 2020

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/shaheen-bagh-and-the-idea-of-india-excerpt_in_5f15509ac5b6cec246



Muslims of Indian Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, Kutch and Western Rajasthan are lucky. As they are IVC martial race who will be accepted in Pakistani Punjab and Sindh. Their numbers are miniscule too. I guess other ethnicity Muslims will have to do hijrat to Bangladesh.

Pule, make hijrat to Pakistan. Kalma pehly. Jannat main jaeyga.
Muslims of India are anyway not left with much options. But, is this Hinduism that minorities are so unsafe?
 
Pule, make hijrat to Pakistan. Kalma pehly. Jannat main jaeyga.
Muslims of India are anyway not left with much options. But, is this Hinduism that minorities are so unsafe?

Nilu is not happy.

He wants boats and they are not happening yet.

Millions of such youngsters man.

To both @Nilu Pule and @AfrazulMandal I say.

You are blessed to be of Hindu stock.

There is no other place on earth where 200 million Muslims live largely peacefully with a billion non Muslims.

Nilu, you are blessed that Afrazul is of Hindu stock.

Afrazul, you are blessed that you came from Hindu stock, and have Nilus in majority.

Cheers, Doc
 
Wait, no.

There won't be Govt. sponsored pogroms.

hindus dont need Govt sanction to do that. They do it on their own as part of their religious duty.

What the Govt will do is simpler - they will legitimise the de-citizenship of Muslims.

And no Indian non Muslim community will shed a tear. May be even celebrate. Mark my words.

Those protesting CAA NPR were overwhelmingly Muslim.


Lol. Nobody will care NOW if Muslims are converted en masse in India (I don't think physical genocide is the primary goal) or disenfranchised. The West does not care about morality as long as its business interests are safe.

The US has a problem with China NOW ONLY because their trade deficit is now turning them into a dependent.

As long as India remains a milk giving cow - nobody will care if it shits on us.


May be your environment lets you make the distinction. From our side of the fence, we don't see a difference.
Please Explain.
 
its not only for Christians, hindus also take part of this business. Its a choice of their if they dont want to do this job somehow Muslims will find someone among them to do the job so you dont worry its a forceful labor matter fact they make alot more money than shopkeepers in Pak.
job of sweepers and sewer cleaning is reserved for masihis .i remember an advertisement regarding this where only non muslims were required for this job .
 
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Another call to Indian Muslims ...... dont fall for liberandus ...... they will show their papers when the push comes to shove. Bina baat ke lapete jaoge. Pehle pitoge phir randi rona koi nahi sunega
 
Another call to Indian Muslims ...... dont fall for liberandus ...... they will show their papers when the push comes to shove. Bina baat ke lapete jaoge. Pehle pitoge phir randi rona koi nahi sunega

Which forum do you usually post at? Dee ef eye?

Cheers, Doc
 
Another call to Indian Muslims ...... dont fall for liberandus ...... they will show their papers when the push comes to shove. Bina baat ke lapete jaoge. Pehle pitoge phir randi rona koi nahi sunega

See this is the problem. We are in of giving warning to these Muslim. We cannot survive with such big chunk of population as enemy.

Nobody wants to talk to them. This hour when country ai surrounded by war machines we need unity but sanghi are hell bent on fighting among ourselves

Which forum do you usually post at? Dee ef eye?

Cheers, Doc
That place is shyt. Total self loathing and chest thumping.

Nothing u can learn there. Even discourse is discouraged. Anti Muslim and finger pointing is all thats done.
 
See this is the problem. We are in of giving warning to these Muslim. We cannot survive with such big chunk of population as enemy.

Nobody wants to talk to them. This hour when country ai surrounded by war machines we need unity but sanghi are hell bent on fighting among ourselves


That place is shyt. Total self loathing and chest thumping.

Nothing u can learn there. Even discourse is discouraged. Anti Muslim and finger pointing is all thats done.

Agree. Low IQ retards busy in bhakti.

Any place besides that and str*t fr*t
 

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