Muslims of India Are Done With Hate And Fear: What Shaheen Bagh Showed Me

[padamchen]

The framing of the question, and your past writings, show that you are not one to be convinced of anything other than holding Muslims responsible.

Give me a chance to redeem myself.

Seriously, tell me of a major riot which started with Hindus killing Muslims.

They are the overwhelming majority.

But riots always start local. And grow from there.

This is an inescapable trend.

Cheers, Doc

 

[alhindi]

India is a really big pussy just waiting to be fucked.

Are you pakistani ?

 

[xeuss]

Give me a chance to redeem myself.

Seriously, tell me of a major riot which started with Hindus killing Muslims.

They are the overwhelming majority.

But riots always start local. And grow from there.

This is an inescapable trend.

Cheers, Doc

There are plenty of reports (human rights organizations, government commissions, investigative journalism) that provide the details on all major anti-Muslim violence that has afflicted India since the 1950s.

You can read them as part of your journey to redemption. Most material is now available on the web. Your own research on these independent reports are the best method to arrive at an unbiased conclusion.

Sure some were riots, triggered by a local spat that spun out of control, but others were nothing less than pogroms, engineered for a particular purpose, where the entire law enforcement machinery was either co-opted or sidelined to ensure a particular grizzly outcome.

 

[jamahir]

I'd like you to show me an example of riots, big or small, where the Hindus started killing Muslims first.

Are Gujarat 2002 and Bombay 1992-1993 not visible examples ?

In this mix, with the history of Muslim rule, and partition of our ancestral land, if Muslims start killing Hindus, what do you expect Hindus to do?

Where has that happened ?

These are the same Hindus who stand on our borders so that we sleep safe. Never forget that.

But then, the policemen in the Kashmir valley are Muslim.

India is getting rifles from UAE.

I know.

That's not business. That's investment of war.

I am sleepy hence I fail to see the difference.

 

[El Sidd]

I am sleepy hence I fail to see the difference.

don't complain if you wake up with a bang

 

[padamchen]

There are plenty of reports (human rights organizations, government commissions, investigative journalism) that provide the details on all major anti-Muslim violence that has afflicted India since the 1950s.

You can read them as part of your journey to redemption. Most material is now available on the web. Your own research on these independent reports are the best method to arrive at an unbiased conclusion.

Sure some were riots, triggered by a local spat that spun out of control, but others were nothing less than pogroms, engineered for a particular purpose, where the entire law enforcement machinery was either co-opted or sidelined to ensure a particular grizzly outcome.

I've lived through my share of riots. And lived through quite a long chunk of the history of independent India.

Long before there was internet.

Just newspapers and transistor radios.

And round dial sarkari telephones and Fiats and Bajaj Chetaks and Bullets.

Then black and white TV.

So tell me. Any particular riot in the last 30 years where Hindus started the killing?

Cheers, Doc

 

[xeuss]

So tell me. Any particular riot in the last 30 years where Hindus started the killing?

Cheers, Doc

The question displays your bias. You do not seem the understand the concept of justice and punishment. You seek to justify the killings of Muslims.

 

[Verve]

2 lengthy post & all made to provoke anger yet very little reference to subject at hand. If I admit that I am a low level thinker the whole point of these post diminishes & circling back to the topic if I pick them apart the whole concept of these posts are revolving around you wishing your country men leaving your country which means you your self killing secularism the very idea which is in opposition of 2 nation theory, no matter how ever way you settle but here in these posts you have admitted one thing that you also believe that there is a problem on basis India was made. You are also admitting that some thing is wrong although you chose the path of fate and expect them to move out them selves but many with in your country will act in an attempt to be a catalyst & those are the one which will take the lead role. You could be a calm person or humanity lover but those who (RSS) will take thing in their own hands will represent you & define you who you are as they will take the lead role & you will always be associated with them.
You are helpless in your own country, your own self wants to look like a better & progressive example of humanity & yet there is vast explosion of RSS all around you. Confused in accepting & considering it a new normal or stand away from the concept of RSS is something you yet have to decide. When I mock them I make it 2 options for you 1 is them & other is me. You hate both & that will make you chose the lesser evil. You know my intentions are not good but I am standing on the way which is correct so you will chose RSS at some point over me & there the very thing you were protecting will be consumed by the ideology you hated most.
So think again am I just mocking or there is more behind what I said?

 

[padamchen]

The question displays your bias. You do not seem the understand the concept of justice and punishment. You seek to justify the killings of Muslims.

Deflecting my friend.

I've been around the block enough to know you know you're trapped and the answer bubbles within as an uncomfortable truth.

Humans are humans. Not supreme court judges.

If people are burned alive (both Bombay and Godhra) then mob fury will erupt. And no government on earth can control things quickly then.

Least of all in a volatile populace like ours where religious tensions are always bubbling under the surface.

All your words of state pogroms mean nothing then when a non Hindu non Muslim asks you the simple question.

Who started the killing both times?

Remember. I'm Sena. I know every dirty detail. Those months are burned in our memory for life. Every area that burned. Who was involved. And how Bombay burned.

By one of yours.

Cheers, Doc

 

[xeuss]

Deflecting my friend.

I've been around the block enough to know you know you're trapped and the answer bubbles within as an uncomfortable truth.

Humans are humans. Not supreme court judges.

If people are burned alive (both Bombay and Godhra) then mob fury will erupt. And no government on earth can control things quickly then.

Least of all in a volatile populace like ours where religious tensions are always bubbling under the surface.

All your words of state pogroms mean nothing then when a non Hindu non Muslim asks you the simple question.

Who started the killing both times?

Remember. I'm Sena. I know every dirty detail. Those months are burned in our memory for life. Every area that burned. Who was involved. And how Bombay burned.

By one of yours.

Cheers, Doc

Lol....Doc was talking about redemption. You are beyond redemption. Wouldn't be surprised if you killed a few Muslims in your past.

 

[padamchen]

Lol....Doc was talking about redemption. You are beyond redemption. Wouldn't be surprised if you killed a few Muslims in your past.

Don't be absurd and get personal please. I'm a doctor. Not a goon.

You can keep hiding among your own here.

Your arrogance in Bombay was brought to a violent end by the Sena

Bambai Karachi ka bada Bhai!! Emphasis on the word BHAI ...

Your biggest mistake was to attack the city. With your friends from across the border.

You should have kept the fight in house.

Big big mistake. Your community never recovered from there.

Cheers, Doc

 

[xeuss]

Don't be absurd and get personal please. I'm a doctor. Not a goon.

You can keep hiding among your own here.

Your arrogance in Bombay was brought to a violent end by the Sena

Bambai Karachi ka bada Bhai!! Emphasis on the word BHAI ...

Your biggest mistake was to attack the city. With your friends from across the border.

You should have kept the fight in house.

Big big mistake. Your community never recovered from there.

Cheers, Doc

Maya Kodnani was also a doctor....just saying

 

[padamchen]

Maya Kodnani was also a doctor....just saying

I'm not playing games here with you.

Two promises I made to myself after getting the k words and the l words out of my system last round around the mulberry bush.

The first was that I will consciously avoid Pakistanis unless I am confident that they are friends.

And two, I will behave and engage the few Indians remaining here. And make some fruitful use of my time I spend here. Cathartic tp as it may be.

I am dead serious about attacking India and your own with the help of the enemy.

I barely know you. I've known and respected Joe as an elder and a wise Baba for nigh 10 years.

But the day he suggested that you Indian Muslims do a Dawood on India was the day he was dead to me forever.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

I recall often reading posts by you lamenting that Indian minorities (non Muslim) also do not take your side.

That they are in fact equally against you, either covertly or even overtly.

Covertly either by lack of protest or silent assent.

Or overtly by direct aggression, often teaming up with Hindus, in different ways, varied walks of life.

Not necessarily only overt violence or riots. But things like economically. Socially. Institutionally. Politically.

Could you help me with the Muslim perspective here and make me understand why Muslims expect non Muslim minorities to side with them?

Was there for instance a different set of rules in India under Muslim rule for Hindus and the rest of the non Muslim populace, which might therefore mean that such communities would today look at you favourably.

Or worst case, at least not be hostile?

Let me tag other Muslims here too

@jamahir @Naofumi @HalfMoon @Mad Scientist 2.0 @xeuss

Best regards,

Doc

It may happen or may not happen. Things can always trigger to beyond redemption. And once the wheel sets in motion it is hard to put brakes on that. We can all assume it doesn't happen but incidents are coming to light which people thought were past still happened. So anytime anything can happen.

 

[padamchen]

It may happen or may not happen. Things can always trigger to beyond redemption. And once the wheel sets in motion it is hard to put brakes on that. We can all assume it doesn't happen but incidents are coming to light which people thought were past still happened. So anytime anything can happen.

Of course.

Cheers, Doc