Muslims of India Are Done With Hate And Fear: What Shaheen Bagh Showed Me

[PradoTLC]

Integration means equality. How could the Sanghis want integration for everyone, when the entire philosophy is based on a structure of inequality

Agree

they are just a ridiculous bunch

 

[BHarwana]

That is a natural reaction for those of us who think that the Two Nation Theory was sound.

We don't.

We have no problem with your implementing it in your own political state. Please feel free; there may be, there w ill be unruly elements in our political state who mock and jeer this concept for its obvious flaws. In our political state, however, the idea behind our formation as a state and our existence - the nazariya - e - Hind - was of the One Nation. All equal citizens with equal rights (and, a forgotten clause, equal duties). That is our ideal.

We are at peace with the idea that unruly elements in our neighbouring state will mock and jest and jeer at this, just as @BHarwana has just done in the quoted post, just as every other Pakistani member posting is likely to do (there are exceptions, as honourable as those who post to the script).

It is not your opposition, and it is not your discomfort that bothers anyone of that persuasion in India. It is those among us, who are allowed to hold their political beliefs, even those opposing the concept of the state, due to our commitment to free speech and to freedom to think for ourselves. These elements always believed, with you, in the Two Nation Theory; they evolved it independently of you, through their own parallel tortured primitive thought process.

Unlike your thought process, it did not depend on a narrow vision of humanity. It depended on the perversion of the recent past in the west, where there was a concept of racial difference that was widely passed around. These thoughts and these concepts went into the RSS, and they have held these since the 20s of the last century. They held, through an extension of this thinking, that battling the British colonial rule was futile; India, and Indians, were not 'strong' enough to do that, in the view of the leaders of that intellectual movement, for it never became anything more than that until the others whom they opposed showed comprehensively how wrong this specious idea of Indians not being strong was.

So these people came into Independent India embittered and resentful. India could not have won independence, in their assessment; it was impossible, they thought. A long period of 'strengthening' was needed before any such foolhardy attempts could be made. Their attitude to the Colonial power was slavish and obsequious. They ran down the freedom struggle with sneers and ridicule, and thought of those leaders with the greatest contempt, as of weak leaders leading a weak people. When independence came, they needed to justify their own thinking and their completely foundered vision of what was possible and what was not. That is when, finally, their supine inaction, their gathering in groups to listen to each other spreading pessimism and negative thoughts, their peculiar racist divisions of Indian society into those who had foreign 'loyalties' and those who were prepared to be 'sons (and daughters) of the soil', their writing huge treatises justifying their racism, finally was put off into the back rooms and when these true believers emerged into physical action.

Their first act was to murder an old man. When they were promptly stamped out, they begged and pleaded and grovelled and made promise after false promise until someone made a mistake, and flinched. On being grudgingly reinstated as a legal body of private citizens under the constitution, they spent their time on building a network, and spreading the word among the ignorant poor and rural masses, and among the urban classes who had resented the levelling of all citizens into one category, that of citizen, under the One Nation. This took them forty years, their own forty years in the wilderness. When their targetted groups coalesced into clusters in the cities of north India in the wave of urbanisation that India underwent, they finally found their opportunity, and emerged from winning less than 10% of the seats in the elections to preside as dominant partners in a coalition of the politically isolated who had never tasted power. They did that as the culmination of a sharp, short directed campaign to create an evil other, and there was one ready-made and at hand, and that was the Muslim Indian.

What you see today is the continuation of that process, interrupted by the resistance of the appalled sections who finally realised that these perverted politicians were actually capable of using the freedom given to them by the prevailing constitutional working precisely to undermine the constitution, and to subvert each and every institution of state. The Muslim Indian was the first target; other obvious targets, as large as the Muslim Indian, have been dismissed from their public discourse as in reality being part of themselves, of their coalition, in spite of the obvious fallacies, and the freely available evidence that there was no acceptance of these other segments into their group of the entitled.

Here we stand then, with ignorant, short-sighted and suicidal elements in Pakistan working hard to keep the genie out of the bottle. Those of you who have, throughout the thread, preached that the Two Nation Theory should be accepted and allowed to be a consideration in the public discourse in India have no idea of what they have sat and watched in their smug folly, and they have no idea what they are supporting - a political state that hugely outweighs them, that is numerically larger, that is economically stronger and likely to grow more so, a dominant elite that is ramified abroad, and that is present as a pleasing and prosperous minority, contrasted offensively with their counterparts who are retarded economically and feared and distrusted socially, and the potential to become what India has never been - an existential threat to her neighbour.

What can be done in the face of this irrational behaviour?

Here is another piece of immature thinking.

The RSS will never 'force' migration. There will be a steady trickle of the acceptable and biddable, and proven virus-free Muslim from India who will settle down abroad and never return, and will then take across in ones and twos their near and dear ones.

There will be no violence, only a steady leakage, a drain of the best of the hated minority into the better social conditions of the advanced nations.

All this rigmarole painted above will never happen. There will no repetition of partition. The cold-blooded, cold-hearted social engineers who are running our country today have figured out their plan, and it is open to see for everyone. Those who are determined not to see it will of course not see it. Nothing as blind as those who wilfully give up sight.

There should be a law against amateur strategists. They should be encouraged to become members of the Think Tank in the pale lack-lustre imitations of PDF promoted by the expelled frauds and palm readers that tried to find a home here.

Similarly there should be a law against amateur futurologists.

2 lengthy post & all made to provoke anger yet very little reference to subject at hand. If I admit that I am a low level thinker the whole point of these post diminishes & circling back to the topic if I pick them apart the whole concept of these posts are revolving around you wishing your country men leaving your country which means you your self killing secularism the very idea which is in opposition of 2 nation theory, no matter how ever way you settle but here in these posts you have admitted one thing that you also believe that there is a problem on basis India was made. You are also admitting that some thing is wrong although you chose the path of fate and expect them to move out them selves but many with in your country will act in an attempt to be a catalyst & those are the one which will take the lead role. You could be a calm person or humanity lover but those who (RSS) will take thing in their own hands will represent you & define you who you are as they will take the lead role & you will always be associated with them.
You are helpless in your own country, your own self wants to look like a better & progressive example of humanity & yet there is vast explosion of RSS all around you. Confused in accepting & considering it a new normal or stand away from the concept of RSS is something you yet have to decide. When I mock them I make it 2 options for you 1 is them & other is me. You hate both & that will make you chose the lesser evil. You know my intentions are not good but I am standing on the way which is correct so you will chose RSS at some point over me & there the very thing you were protecting will be consumed by the ideology you hated most.
So think again am I just mocking or there is more behind what I said?

 

[Joe Shearer]

the whole concept of these posts are revolving around you wishing your country men leaving your country

That is why I recommended you stay out of such threads.

Do you find no difference between a statement saying,"I am shampooing my hair", and another saying,"He may shampoo his hair"? Once you are clear about the difference, we can talk.

you have admitted one thing that you also believe that there is a problem on basis India was made

On the contrary, I have said clearly that there was a problem in the way that both Dominions were made, in opposition to each other. Please read again. One followed the Two Nation Theory, the other rejected it.

You could be a calm person or humanity lover but those who (RSS) will take thing in their own hands will represent you & define you who you are as they will take the lead role & you will always be associated with them.

How will they do that unless two things happen:

Those of us who differ stay silent;
Those of us who are duffers (not you) insist that our voices not be heard, or that they be conflated with those other voices' messages.

there is vast explosion of RSS all around you

Vast explosion?

Do you gentlemen never look at numbers?

Confused in accepting & considering it a new normal or stand away from the concept of RSS is something you yet have to decide.

Decided, dear Sir, decided. Unless like our other hero, you consider reading English sentences hopelessly Colonial.

When I mock them I make it 2 options for you 1 is them & other is me.

What are these options? Can you articulate them, or was it just that it sounds nice to write thus?

You hate both & that will make you chose the lesser evil. You know my intentions are not good but I am standing on the way which is correct so you will chose RSS at some point over me & there the very thing you were protecting will be consumed by the ideology you hated most.

Choose the RSS over you?

That is unlikely, but indeterminate. What do you stand for? What IS your position? Theirs is all too clear.

So think again am I just mocking or there is more behind what I said?

So far, not mocking, confused.

You make this assumption, thinking that this is the worst things will get for the Muslims. Unfortunately, there are darker days ahead. As things get more desperate, the response will also be along those lines.

My essential point is that genocidal violence is not the strategy they will use, it will be skirmishing on the sidelines. Yes, there will be responses, yes, there will be polarisation; those who are able to, will abandon the unequal battle and run away. My point still remains valid; these skirmishes will be among the various irritants put up to squeeze the Muslim Indian.

 

[BHarwana]

"I am shampooing my hair", and another saying,"He may shampoo his hair"? Once you are clear about the difference, we can talk.

wishing

One followed the Two Nation Theory, the other rejected it.

Are you sure my old fellow that there were only 2 sides? cause Nathuram Godse was neither advocate of 2 nation theory or opposition to it. He was an opposition to the secular India. He wanted to kill that very idea of secular India that was his war. Finding comfurt in opposing 2 nation theory will not help you like I said decide. Gandhi or Godse you have not decided yet.

Decided, dear Sir, decided. Unless like our other hero, you consider reading English sentences hopelessly Colonial.

Still not decided but deflecting. Gandhi or Godse?

Vast explosion?

Do you gentlemen never look at numbers?

We look at numbers the voice of free world is very weak in India.

How will they do that unless two things happen:

Those of us who differ stay silent;
Those of us who are duffers (not you) insist that our voices not be heard, or that they be conflated with those other voices' messages.

That was very naive. India will always be defined with the voice that is loudest in India.

 

[Joe Shearer]

cause Nathuram Godse was neither advocate of 2 nation theory or opposition to it. He was an opposition to the secular India. He wanted to kill that very idea of secular India that was his war. Finding comfurt in opposing 2 nation theory will not help you like I said decide. Gandhi or Godse you have not decided yet.

That is why you should not get involved.

Godse was a member of the Hindu Mahasabha, who formulated the Two Nation Theory.

Still not decided but deflecting. Gandhi or Godse?

Gandhi. How does it help you to pretend that there is ambiguity?

We look at numbers the voice of free world is very weak in India.

So,"...we look at numbers mumble mumble mumble..."

Yes, most convincing.

 

[Kraetoz]

Comparing live animal eating MMA trained soliders to Bhaiyya Indian Muslims.

The 5'1 45 kg rickshawala Abdul scares no one. Atleast not me.

The Indians talking about height is so hilarious. They are shortest folks in the world be it Indian Hindu or Indian Muslim. Just look at their top brass

Ajit doval is 5'4"
Modi is 5'6"
Bipin rawat is 5'8"
Rajnath Singh 5'9"

Does anyone knows how tall amit shah is? Coz he looks like a midget too

It is not about 5'1" 45kgs Abdul. Entire India is malnourished which stunts the growth specially of the brain.

Compare that to the Pakistani counterparts
Imran khan 6'2"
Qamar Javed Bajwa 6'0"

Heck Asad Umar is close to 6'5" now this kind of height is unimaginable in India be it Muslim or Hindu because of severe malnourishment.

 

[BHarwana]

Godse was a member of the Hindu Mahasabha, who formulated the Two Nation Theory.

Here I would disagree with you. his thinking was to hijack secural India & his followers have successfully done it. now godse thinking wants to throw out muslims that came under the project secular India where as few secular Gandhi elements want to cling to the idea of living together. What is the solution to all this? another divide of India. Sikhs get out of union get Khalistan. Hindutava get a nation called Hindustan & secular elements & all the rest get their own nation. nagas go their own way & they all depart from each other. 1947 implemented wishes of 2 sides only. the people who wanted 2 nation theory & people who wanted secular India vut in secular India there was a lot of different schools that were forced to come & live under one project those schools now don't want to do it. Hindutava wants freedom from secularism they are asking for it & they have proven their voice is louder than the idea of secularism. I wish secularism in India good luck cause secularism in India needs a lot of it.
Yes I am an advocate of 2 nation theory & opposition to your secular thinking of India but your defeat came from with in you and not from me. People around you have killed secularism. I will mock you cause you lost a cause that opposed me it is basic human nature but it is your own voice that actually did the job of killing secularism. You can associate Godse any where you like but reality is his supporters stood with Gandhi & not with Jinnah.
So you have to decide who you support Godse or Gandhi. BJP is not a political party any more but it is now a cult, you can accept this reality or close your eyes, it is all up to you, I am sitting across the border enjoying this all with no stake in it.

 

[Vikki]

Majority of hindus are peaceful people...they dont want their lives to be disturbed by violence...hindus mercilessly throw out bjp if violence erupts...it would be foolish to think the attacks will only be one sided.
The blood will flow on either side...i am all for bjp and hindutva but am entirely against any disruption of peace in society.
What RSS like bodies should do is fight islam ideologically and convertt muslims to hinduism...it may take decades of time but it can be done without any adverse effects on the peace or development of society.

 

[xeuss]

Majority of hindus are peaceful people...they dont want their lives to be disturbed by violence...hindus mercilessly throw out bjp if violence erupts...it would be foolish to think the attacks will only be one sided.
The blood will flow on either side...i am all for bjp and hindutva but am entirely against any disruption of peace in society.
What RSS like bodies should do is fight islam ideologically and convertt muslims to hinduism...it may take decades of time but it can be done without any adverse effects on the peace or development of society.

I really love these kind of messages. They explain what I have been trying to say in such a simple and condensed way.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

OP is a sexually frustrated virgin clown.

 

[xeuss]

OP is a sexually frustrated virgin clown.

All sanghis are incels.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Bro let them come out with it. If they do in the shadows, that's worse.



Lol. He's leading the charge, should be hilarious. The end of Islam is nigh in India.

Can't you perma-ban this Nilu Pule character? He gives the rest of us (Indians) a bad name.

Maybe you need him for the entertainment.

 

[letsrock]

Can't you perma-ban this Nilu Pule character? He gives the rest of us (Indians) a bad name.

Maybe you need him for the entertainment.

"pick me as real indian" "pick me as real indian" "pick me as real indian".

 

[SuperStar20]

Lol
So you think by RSS doing a Muslim genocide RSS will some how push Muslim population out of India to neighboring countries? no that will not happen. Instead the first push of migrants will stock up population to border districts then the war will come & those districts will end up breaking.

That is how it will work out.

What happened to Hindu population in pakistan?

 

[Ultima Thule]

What happened to Hindu population in pakistan?

mostly migrated to India in 1947, and pakistan never had any significant population of Hindu in pakistan since 1947 and would never had more 1 % since the independence of Pakistan