Muslims must learn to respect Hindu sentiments: Ashok Singhal

[Chronos]

Very wrong analogy Ravi. How many Muslim areas have you gone to in North India?
There are tons of areas where Muslims cut animals on the streetside in public. To ask them to not do it becomes communal.
If you tell me this is a law enforcement problem, then I will tell you to be realistic here. Asking for law to be implemented in certain areas itself gets you labeled as communal in India.

Even in this, Irfan's post implied directly - that Muslims should just out of respect of each other's sentiments willingly not consume beef. Did you think he meant that it should be prohibited?

None.

I thought cows were killed indoors

 

[MauryaWarrior]

meh upto her i guess.


in islam it says no where to opress people from another religion or forcibly convert others. however muslims are allowed to spread the word of of islam peacefully. i cant speak about the teaching of geeta as i am not hindu myself. its not about being western , its just fact.

with your kind of thinking you are not different from the taliban morons. just they are muslims and you are hindu

I'm not a Hindu, I'm Buddhist so calling me a Hindutva wouldn't make sense.

 

[Jobless Jack]

I'm not a Hindu, I'm Buddhist so calling me a Hindutva wouldn't make sense.

ah well i had no way of knowing your religion. but my message still stands.

 

[Contrarian]

None.

I thought cows were killed indoors

Cows are killed indoors, because if done in the open it would lead to rioting.

But come during eid to UP. You will find animals being slaughtered in the open in the streetside. Do you think it is not offensive to many people?

If you ask these Muslims to not do it or to do it elsewhere they call the cops citing 'trying to raise communal tension'. And what happens when the politicians make Cops book those who peacefully asked the Muslims to do it elsewhere.
This is text book repression and people feel frustrated...

When you talk of rising Hindutva, please understand realities of many parts of India before commenting or presuming its rising fascism.

What Irfan said - apply it to such a situation. Sure it is legal to slaughter animals, but if the Muslims could respect sentiments of local Hindus and do it privately, it would turn out to be a much better affair for everyone involved.

I really request you to stop you the condescending attitude towards anything you feel represents 'Hindutva'.

 

[notsuperstitious]

I'm infact all for insulting every religion and exposing their fables and superstitions. Just because its a tough job, thats no reason to stop humans from progressing.

My specific request to Indian muslims is to have smaller families and educate their children well. That will truly contribute to India's progress. To Hindus and Sikhs - stop killing girls and get over the caste BS.

 

[Chronos]

Cows are killed indoors, because if done in the open it would lead to rioting.

But come during eid to UP. You will find animals being slaughtered in the open in the streetside. Do you think it is not offensive to many people?

If you ask these Muslims to not do it or to do it elsewhere they call the cops citing 'trying to raise communal tension'. And what happens when the politicians make Cops book those who peacefully asked the Muslims to do it elsewhere.
This is text book repression and people feel frustrated...

When you talk of rising Hindutva, please understand realities of many parts of India before commenting or presuming its rising fascism.

What Irfan said - apply it to such a situation. Sure it is legal to slaughter animals, but if the Muslims could respect sentiments of local Hindus and do it privately, it would turn out to be a much better affair for everyone involved.

I really request you to stop you the condescending attitude towards anything you feel represents 'Hindutva'.

Okies Because I respect you as a poster I will seriously consider your advice

How about well reasoned criticism?

 

[Contrarian]

Okies Because I respect you as a poster I will seriously consider your advice

How about well reasoned criticism?

Is always appreciated, not merely accepted whenever not laced with condescension.

 

[Indrani]

and the burqa is in fact, anti-islam... as it denies the lady the right to exist in public., when in fact, hazrat muhammad had been the first feminist, and who had set up rules to give great freedoms to ladies... right to marry by choice, to be given pre-wedding alimony settlement, the right to divorce, the right to keep her original surname/community-name, the right to remarry as many time as she wants, the right to property inheritance, the right to do business etc.

Err, a bit of a correction here. The pre-Islamic Arabic society was very very liberal and it was not Mohammed who gave the women their rights. Khadija (Mohammed's wife) had 2 prior husbands before Mohammed became her third husband. Which means women could marry as many times as they wanted in pre-Islamic Arabia. Also she was a successful business woman which means women could inherit property and had right to work and do business in that society long before Mohammad came along. In effect, none of the freedoms you give Mohammed credits for is true.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Irfan, a very profound post.
To be honest with you, if only the Muslims of India did this much, they would have found many Hindus willing to die for them instead of many trying to kill them.

law of the land (or majority that makes it) is a must and actually the teaching of Muhammad PBUH . when Muslims sought asylum in Africa under a Christian king they were told to observe and respect local laws.

it seems Muslims of today consider themselves to be more Muslims than their Prophet and think that only through confrontation, segregation and harassment they can keep their "identity".

 

[jamahir]

Err, a bit of a correction here.

err, a bit of a correction here to your correction.

The pre-Islamic Arabic society was very very liberal

so liberal that it had very cultured practices like female infanticide, bonded slavery and putting idol-worship over respect for humans.

hint, hint... who was hazrat bilal??

and it was not Mohammed who gave the women their rights. Khadija (Mohammed's wife) had 2 prior husbands before Mohammed became her third husband.

that would have been some influence on the upper class by iraqi/syrian culture and roman culture. but certainly not true of the majority.

on the other hand, remember the saying of hazrat muhammad about troubles and divisions to arise from the nejd area... and nejd is closer to iran... and iran had and has a strange culture... and nejd is the origin of the wahabbi cult... and iran being the origin of the burqa and other such things...

Which means women could marry as many times as they wanted in pre-Islamic Arabia.

see my previous reply.

Also she was a successful business woman

upper class and merchant class.

which means women could inherit property and had right to work and do business in that society long before Mohammad came along.

so when hazrat muhammad was preaching feminism ( among other things ), why were he and his comrades forced to leave makkah to go to madina?? was he preaching extremist jewish culture in a place governed by this "liberal pre-islam culture"?? why did some ladies like hind bin utbah ( wife of abu sufiyan, an influential man in makkah ) hate him when all he was doing was preaching about rights of ladies?? why did she then accept islam?? why didn't the modern socialist muslim arab societies ( nasser's egypt, libyan jamahiriya, pre-2003 iraq, syria, plo palestine ) discard islam and adopt the pre-islam religion of makkah if it was indeed so liberal and just??

In effect, none of the freedoms you give Mohammed credits for is true.

i generally see you so very furiously defending hinduism, so if you think pre-islam makkah didn't have hinduism practices like honor killing, dowry murders, class injustice, capitalism... then please discard hinduism and adopt pre-islam makkah religion.

by the way... "hind bin utbah"... notice the word "hind", meaning 'india of hinduism"... can it be that her anti-freedoms anti-justice parents kept her name inspired by indian culture of those times??

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you just spoilt what had become a nice thread.

 

[Indrani]

so liberal that it had very cultured practices like female infanticide, bonded slavery and putting idol-worship over respect for humans.

Wrong info. If females were infanticided as you believe, then was your Hazrat Khadija a male? How was the population being sustained since all females were being infanticided? Bonded slavery was practiced by your nabi too, hint hint Mariyam. We are speaking in context of women here, remember? Idol worship is something you will never understand. All liberal societies have idol worship including USA, Europe, India (a very liberal society), and SE Asia.

that would have been some influence on the upper class by iraqi/syrian culture and roman culture. but certainly not true of the majority.
on the other hand, remember the saying of hazrat muhammad about troubles and divisions to arise from the nejd area... and nejd is closer to iran... and iran had and has a strange culture... and nejd is the origin of the wahabbi cult... and iran being the origin of the burqa and other such things...

Uff shifting blame, why is it not a surprise? So from a blanket statement of female infanticide to female oppression, now we have come down to selective infanticide and selective female freedoms and only selective areas? So rich upper class had a different culture and was not part of pre-Islamic culture? and still Mohammed was the first feminist and the first person to have thought about female freedom? Iraqi/syrian/roman cultures were not preislamic and not women friendly? Now all the blame is on Iran? Persia which had very powerful queens who had absolute freedom throughout the Zoroastrian history.

Lower class in every society emulates upper class. This is how societies function. Jaisa Raja waisa Praja. So I have no doubt whatsoever that lower class would have been just as liberal.

see my previous reply.

Yeah saw how mendacious and dumb your reasoning is.

upper class and merchant class.

Yup upper class and merchant class which never is part of the society of course according to your socialist logic.

so when hazrat muhammad was preaching, why were he and his comrades forced to leave makkah to go to madina?? was he preaching extremist jewish culture in a place governed by this "liberal pre-islamic culture"?? why did some ladies like hind bin utbah ( wife of abu sufiyan, an influential man in makkah ) hate him when all he was doing was preaching about rights of ladies?? why did she then accept islam?? why didn't the modern socialist muslim arab societies ( nasser's egypt, libyan jamahiriya, pre-2003 iraq, syria, plo palestine ) discard islam and adopt the pre-islami religion of makkah if it was indeed so liberal and just??

LOL. Yup ladies who were free to marry who they will and do business were being taught liberalism by Mohammad. Nice joke. Yeah someone accepting of Islam and wearing a veil herself is the foremost sign of liberalism in Islam, not the millions who resisted Islam with every breath of theirs and went to death for it. Modern socialist Muslim societies had rejected Islam as could be seen in pre-revolution Iran and Syria. Iran of today is fast turning into a non-believer society. Iraq, Libya, and Egypt are not modern in any sense of term. They are still a tribal society willed to be modern by dictators.

i generally see you so very furiously defending hinduism, so if you think pre-islam makkah didn't have hinduism practices like honor killing, dowry murders, class injustice, capitalism... then please discard hinduism and adopt pre-islam makkah religion.
by the way... "hind bin utbah"... notice the word "hind", meaning 'india of hinduism"... can it be that her anti-freedoms anti-justice parents kept her name inspired by indian culture of those times??

Are wah honor killing, dowry murders, and all that nonsense is according to Hinduism as per you? Can you give specific references as to which book where exhorts Hindus to kill their women and demand dowry? By your logic terrorism, genital mutilation, female oppression are hallmarks of Islam, now is it not?

What class injustice? I am a proud capitalist. What has communism ever produced except misery?

Pre-Islamic Makkah religion was according to many theories similar to Hinduism or perhaps Hinduism. So I am a proud practitioner of the oldest faith in the world which is pre-all religions.

by the way... "hind bin utbah"... notice the word "hind", meaning 'india of hinduism"... can it be that her anti-freedoms anti-justice parents kept her name inspired by indian culture of those times??

Hind bin utbah's name could have been inspired by India. India was the beacon of justice throughout history. So no doubt her parents were proud to name her such. In that time period, women in India used to do Swyamvar. Heard that word ever? That is liberalism. Not become sex slave to someone.

Yeah, I just brought back objectivity to the thread where you were spreading your BS.

Historical Persian Queens, Empresses, Warriors, Generals
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Historical Persian Queens, Empresses, Warriors, Generals of the Ancient Persia

 

[SrNair]

Love jihad is just a bs propaganda by RSS. I used to have a muslim gf, she didn't care whether iam a muslim or not u just have to be a good looking man.

Well we cant sure about that.About 4000 ladies disappeared from our state.Most of them are christians and rest are Hindus and whereabout that girls is still unknown.
Recent time both Hindu and chrsitians joined and protest for action ..Now it is vanishing trend.

New Delhi: Vishwa Hindu Parishad convenor Ashok Singhal's statement that Bharatiya Janata Party's victory in Lok Sabha polls 2014 was a “setback to Muslim politics” has created a furore.

The Congress has not only condemned Singhal's statement but also hit out at the BJP.

Manish Tewari, the Congress leader, said the statement given by Singhal is “condemnable”. “True colours of a party is seen in how they protect their minority,” added Tewari. Another Congressman Rajiv Shukla said that Muslims and Hindus live together in India. “I don't think even PM Narendra Modi will agree with Ashok Singhal's statement,” added Shukla.

When asked to share his views over Singhal's interview, senior Shiv Sena leader and MP Sanjay Raut said that India belonged to everyone and “everyone is equal”. “This time Muslim vote bank politics did not work,” Raut, however, added.

In an interview to a daily, the right-wing Hindu leader cited Narendra Modi's major win in the Lok Sabha polls for claiming that “tables had turned”. He added that the results had proven that a poll could be won “without Muslim support”. It was time the minority community learn to respect Hindu sentiments, said the senior RSS leader.

The 88-year-old went on to add: “Muslims will be treated as common citizens -- nothing more, nothing less. And, they must learn to respect Hindu sentiments. If they keep opposing Hindus, how long can they survive?”

He also said that Muslims should withdraw claims over Ayodhya, Kashi and Mathura and also accept a uniform civil code.

“We’ll then give them love, and not claim any other mosque sites even though there are thousands built on the ruins of temples. But if they don’t accept it, they should be prepared for further Hindu consolidation. It has happened at the Centre, it will happen in other states,” the daily further quoted Singhal as saying.

Singhal also said that he sees an “ideal swayamsevak” in Modi.

“During the campaign, he conducted himself like a swayamsevak. He also showed to the world the discipline and hard work that a Sangh pracharak puts in.”


Ashok Singhal says Muslims must learn to respect Hindu sentiments; Congress condemns

If Muslims accept uniform civil code and give up claims over Ayodhya, they will get love: Ashok Singhal - daily.bhaskar.com

Except that voting contribution BS.I dont see any wrong in his words.All religions should consider each others faith.

 

[jamahir]

India was the beacon of justice throughout history.

How was the population being sustained since all females were being infanticided?

the same way female population was sustained in india despite the female infanticide, sati, torture for witchcraft, jauhar and honor killing.

Bonded slavery was practiced by your nabi too, hint hint Mariyam.

sayyida maryam was sent to hazrat by the non-muslim non-christian governor of egypt who had no objection to slavery. for this governor, sayyida maryam was just a christian slave, but hazrat muhammad saw it differently. he liked ladies and respected their wishes, and sayyida maryam consented to live with him. from her was born his publicly accepted son. and when sayyida maryam died, it was hazrat umar who arranged her funeral.

bonded slavery?? where??

since you mention slavery, again i ask you, who was hazrat bilal??

Idol worship is something you will never understand.

so has any idol spoken back to you?? in what language?? sanskrit, no doubt... because it is such a sophisticated language, it is the most suitable on for computer programming. so please do share your divine experiences.

So rich upper class had a different culture and was not part of pre-Islamic culture? and still Mohammed was the first feminist and the first person to have thought about female freedom?

in some cultures and things, the rich upper class dictate a different life style to the lower class. but themselves don't practice that life style. that is why they are the upper class. if they had the life style and practices of the lower classes, they would become the lower class. the upper class can keep the lower class brain-washed and not think about any previous revolutionary idea. such was the case in makkah where ideas of jesus were known but ignored. such is the case in india where ideas of bhagat singh, iqbal and the communist party were known once but are now forgotten.

it is the rich upper class that sustains the foolishness of the lower classes. the rich upper class can do this because most of the lower class doesn't revolt. take the indian "zamindaari" and "bonded laborer" system for example.

and in some cultures and things, the upper class practice the evil laws they create for the lower class. this was case of the bhramans and lower castes in india.

and in some cultures or times, a revolutionary comes along who is able to connect with other sensible people. and slowly, they begin to replace the previous corrupt and unjust system. this has been always. one such revolutionary was hazrat muhammad.

Iraqi/syrian/roman cultures were not pre-islamic and not women friendly?

i did say that they contributed to a touch of liberalism. don't allow your hatreds to bring blood to your eyes and making you blind and stunned.

Now all the blame is on Iran?

yes, indeed. iran was the birth place of the moralistic hadees writer, bukhari. iran was the promoter of the shia-sunni conflict. iran was the promoter of the hashasheen, the taliban of 800 years ago. irani influenced people were whom brought down the muslim empire in europe ( al andalus ). iran was...

Persia which had very powerful queens who had absolute freedom throughout the Zoroastrian history.

Lower class in every society emulates upper class.

and in india, to the wrong effect. weddings conducted by the salary-class and labor-class are meant to reach upper class weddings as much as possible. if the rich can spend two crores to 200 crores on a four day wedding, the labor class will try to spend ten lakhs and the salary class will try to spend from 20 lakhs to fifty lakhs, on a four day wedding.

Yeah saw how mendacious and dumb your reasoning is.

please use simple words and common sense. i don't even want to know what "mendacious" means.

Yeah someone accepting of Islam and wearing a veil herself is the foremost sign of liberalism in Islam

veil?? can you explain how this "veil" is connected to islam?? can you tell me which societies in the present world have this "veil" system and who not?? who backs or created those societies??

Modern socialist Muslim societies had rejected Islam

so why does the iraqi and syrian baath movement believe that islam was the first socialist movement in history?? and why does the imaam of all muslims, muammar gaddafi ( see my profile picture ), say that the quran was the first socialist work??

don't tell me now that these people are not socialist.

as could be seen in pre-revolution Iran

what?? like the centrist mohammed mossadegh?? or like the socialist mujahideen-e-khalq who were supported by the iraqi government of the muslim saddam hussain??

Iraq, Libya, and Egypt are not modern in any sense of term. They are still a tribal society willed to be modern by dictators.

it is time to bring those "not so modern" socialist societies to south asia, and will those "dictator" systems especially upon the indian masses, and make south asia truly modern, and allow no trace to remain of something called "indian culture".

or would you prefer the "so very modern and liberal india of pramod mutalik"??

Are wah honor killing, dowry murders, and all that nonsense is according to Hinduism as per you?

how else??

Can you give specific references as to which book where exhorts Hindus to kill their women and demand dowry?

let's start with "laws of manu".... some memorable samples... ( The Status Of Women As Depicted By Manu In The Manusmriti | Nirmukta )

18. “Balye pitorvashay…….” – 5/151. Girls are supposed to be in the custody of their father when they are children, women
must be under the custody of their husband when married and under the custody of her son as widows. In no circumstances is she allowed to assert herself independently.

17. “Balya va………………….” – 5/150. A female child, young woman or old woman is not supposed to work independently even at her place of residence.

20. “Na ast strinam………..” – 5/158. Women have no divine right to perform any religious ritual, nor make vows or observe a fast. Her only duty is to obey and please her husband and she will for that reason alone be exalted in heaven.

33. “Na asti strinam………” – 9/18. While performing namkarm and jatkarm, Vedic mantras are not to be recited by women, because women are lacking in strength and knowledge of Vedic texts. Women are impure and represent falsehood.

21. “Kamam to………………” – 5/160. At her pleasure [after the death of her husband], let her emaciate her body by living only on pure flowers, roots of vegetables and fruits. She must not even mention the name of any other men after her husband has died.

40. “Yambrahmansto…….” – 9/177. In case a Brahman man marries Shudra woman, their son will be called ‘Parshav’ or ‘Shudra’ because his social existence is like a dead body.​

let's finish with ( Women in Hinduism ), where described is source for "high culture" practices like sati, veils and dowry, among many other things. enjoy...

India was the beacon of justice throughout history.

you really know how to make jokes... starting with quietness and then an explosive end with a class punchline.

beacon of justice...

and on the same website, don't miss the critique about "cow dung treatment of diseases".

What class injustice? I am a proud capitalist.

yes. proud of discriminating people on basis of money, proud of doctors throwing four-year-old girls out of incubators because her parents didn't have the few thousand rupees the doctors demanded, proud of that girl dying, proud of mba students creating a winter-clothing line for dogs, proud of city governments allowing restaurants to have place for dogs when dogs have killed people..

What has communism ever produced except misery?

misery?? where??

Pre-Islamic Makkah religion was according to many theories similar to Hinduism

Hind bin utbah's name could have been inspired by India or perhaps Hinduism.

that is what i said.

Pre-Islamic Makkah religion was according to many theories... ...perhaps Hinduism

So I am a proud practitioner of the oldest faith in the world which is pre-all religions.

hinduism is just some minor off-shoot of irani zarthusti culture ( zoroastrianism ), or some community existing on the fringes of official irani culture. you talk as if sanskrit has no connection to farsi.

please stop your delusionary nonsense. what will you say next?? hindu priests and kings flying in anti-gravity machines ( vimaaanas ) at 500 kilometers per hour?? the actually fictional ramayana wars fought in reality with nuclear-bomb rockets ( suryaastra ) and anti-ballistic-missiles ( chandraastra ) ??

In that time period, women in India used to do Swyamvar. Heard that word ever?

other than in the mahabharat story, which was written after the conquest by alexander the great and the subsequent introduction by greeks of some temporary liberal culture into india... where would i hear that word?? please. tell. tell.

india, beacon of justice...








india, beacon of...

 

[Icewolf]

This guy obviously threatening to have another Babri Masjid if Muslims don't become
Robots and listen to whatever Banyas say... And Hindu extremists lap it up

 

[jamahir]

This guy obviously threatening to have another Babri Masjid if Muslims don't become Robots and listen to whatever Banyas say... And Hindu extremists lap it up

but i am angered by the attachment that south asian muslims have with mosques... especially the modern indian muslims. below is my comment from this thread's first page...

babri masjid is done and gone. i as a true muslim ( socialist ) don't care about mosques. to do so would be idolatry.

and what are the "hindu sentiments" about honor killing, wage slavery, dogs killing humans...

south asian muslims need to stop worrying about human-made buildings and start worrying about the problems they give to each other... social problems, economic problems, political problems.. but instead, what do they do...

when usa and its allies prepared to invade iraq in 1990, a stupid deobandi mullah organization from bombay ( india ) called "raza academy" declared that they will gather 300,000 brave volunteers to go to iraq... to protect mosques... not to help the iraqis fight the invaders... not to save iraqi lives... but to protect these prayer houses called mosques.

a similar announcement was made by raza academy just before the 2003 invasion of iraq by nato. and again a similar thing happened just a few days ago when isis threatened to target shrines. this time, the volunteer idea involved the shia.

did these people even think of the two million people killed in iraq since the 1990 western invasion?? or of the four million iraqi refugees?? or of the iraqi babies born with horrific deformities, because of the depleted-uranium shells used by the usa airforce and usa army.

google "depleted uranium iraq children", and then vomit and cry.

i feel like shooting every bloody muslim who goes to a mosque.

what was the raza academy tableeghi idiots thinking?? they would go to iraq and stand outside mosques?? and when usa or western military tanks come rolling with their guns in firing position, would they say... "please, sir. this is a holy place, a house of god. if you are looking for saddam hussain's fighters, they are in that building, you can go kill them. we are not here to harm you. we have just come to protect our houses of god. the iraqis can jump into the tigirs river".

why do muslims need mosques anyway?? are we hindu to keep praying all day?? is praying and fasting all that is there to islam?? how is islam then different to hinduism which has idols for 330 million gods from which a hinduism believer chooses some and prays to them most times of the day. why can't muslims pray at home??

the time has now come to demolish most mosques in the world, except maybe fifteen or twenty. and india will be the most affected in this, because india has probably the highest number of mosques in the world... about 100,000... and that is a indian government estimate from maybe five years ago.