Muslim women cannot object to husbands’ marriages: CII chief

[Soumitra]

No, he is not. An adult, by definition of religion, is someone who attains puberty because that is the natural sign of his/her ability to reproduce.

This sounds like some tribal warcry "You are old enough to bleed so you are old enough to breed". Scientifically it is true but is it really practical. And dont go about child marriages in India. It is illegal under the law and I condemn them with all my heart.

See this video to know the danger of child marriage

While we are at it, can I ask you what decides that a person becomes an adult at age 18, why age 18 and why not 21 which is the age allowed for a weapons license, why not 25 which is the age to contest elections, or why not 31 by which time the insurance companies insure super cars? I mean who defined what an adult age is? I just want to know your personal take on this.

The age of 18 was decided by scientists and doctors who consider that this is age when the body and mind matures. See the above video again to know the reason for minimum age at 18

 

[syedali73]

No, he is not. An adult, by definition of religion, is someone who attains puberty because that is the natural sign of his/her ability to reproduce.

While we are at it, can I ask you what decides that a person becomes an adult at age 18, why age 18 and why not 21 which is the age allowed for a weapons license, why not 25 which is the age to contest elections, or why not 31 by which time the insurance companies insure super cars? I mean who defined what an adult age is? I just want to know your personal take on this.

You are wasting your breath. I have told you earlier, and telling you again, those who are posting questions as if they don't know, are arguing for the sake of argument. No matter what you throw at them, they'll not agree with you, instead make fun of you and your arguments (you can see it is already going on). You can educate people or debate with them based on religious and/or social arguments. They'll not take your religious argument because they don't believe in the religion you believe in, in-fact they believe in no religion to begin with. They'll also not accept your social arguments because they believe in a 'madar pidar azad' society where people are allowed to do anything they want, where moral values mean nothing and are only talk of the past.

It is sad indeed that Islam is being maligned and insulted on a so-called Pakistani defense forum as if defense of Pakistan is only the defense of a piece of land and as if ideology means nothing. If ideology meant nothing, then what was the need of Pakistan in the first place? Did tens of thousands of Muslims lose their lives, honor, and livelihood for a Pakistan where Islamic teachings will be mocked? I have no complaint from the non-Muslim members because they are doing exactly what enemies-of-Islam are supposed to do. They will not sit idle until the last Muslim is alive but what happened to the so-called Muslims? the so-called Moderators, the so-called Think Tanks, the so-called Seniors? Who is more important? Shirani or Shariah? Don't defend Shirani if he is wrong but why allowing enemies of Islam to sling mud on Islam and Quran?

Waza Mein Tum Ho Nisara, Tau Tamaddun Mein Hanood,
Yeh Musalman Hain! Jinhain Dekh Ke Sharmaen Yahood!

@WebMaster Let me tell you one thing Farooqi saheb. You own this forum and on the judgment day, Allah will ask why you failed to protect his name, and his religion when he had empowered you. I understand you need traffic on this forum to make money, but at what cost? At the cost of defamation of Allah's name, his religion, Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)? Is this worth it? Even I am not a practicing Muslim, my wife does not cover her head, I do not say prayers 5 times a day, but albeit all those deficiencies, I do not try to bend Islam as per my wishes; neither I try to find excuses behind favorite interpretations of Islamic laws nor do I curse it. Farooqi Saheb, please ask your team to do the needful before it is too late. I am also aware that I am talking to the walls but at-least I did my duty.

 

[Soumitra]

You are wasting your breath. I have told you earlier, and telling you again, those who are posting questions as if they don't know, are arguing for the sake of argument. No matter what you throw at them, they'll not agree with you, instead make fun of you and your arguments (you can see its already going on). You can educate people or debate with them based on religious and/or social arguments. They'll not take your religious argument because they don't believe in the religion you believe in, in-fact they believe in no religion to begin with. They'll also not accept your social arguments because they believe in a 'madar pidar azad' society where people are allowed to do anything they want, where moral values mean nothing and are only talk of the past.

we just expect modern scientific explanations to modern day questions not what was prevalent in 7th century Arabia

@WebMaster Let me tell you one thing Farooqi saheb. You own this forum and on the judgment day, Allah will ask why you failed to protect his name, and his religion when he had empowered you. I understand you need traffic on this forum to make money, but on what cost? On the cost of defaming of Allah's name, his religion, Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)? Is this worth it? Even I am not a practicing Muslim, my wife does not cover her head, I do not say prayers 5 times a day, but albeit all those deficiencies, I do not try to bend Islam as per my wishes nor do I curse it. Farooqi Saheb, please ask you team to do the needful before it is too late.

I respect your religion and your beliefs but do you really believe that Allah with judge somebody based on comments in an online forum?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Such laws were made in 7th century when lesser mens were available due to their deaths in war.
But following such laws as book into 21st century is nothing, but greed by mens.
Even in India, mens have changed into Islam just to marry a second women. Its sick, and UCC is a must.

 

[Soumitra]

Leave aside 7th century laws. Even early 20th century notion for women were not good

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[Spring Onion]

I'm not questioning your faith in your god.. But then if your god has not changed for billions of years, Then what he told presumably to 7th century Arabic tribals cannot be universal.. Because humans before and after have followed his rulings in different ways.. because i'm sure to you he is the true god.. So what makes 7th Century tribal Arabic interpretation of his words more valid over others at that time who were way more advanced in culture, society and knowledge ??

Note: Im strictly talking about these Sharia laws, Not mainstream Islam as a whole

and who were they?

can you name ?

 

[VCheng]

Yes let us not forget but you seem to have forgotten the meaning of the first word you decided to quote thereby making a wrong insinuation, the limit for marriage is four. The Quran allowed Muslim men to marry their slave women but they in fact did count in the number of wives. Not doing so would mean that any sexual relations between Man and woman would have been out of wedlock, which is clearly against the teachings of Islam. There is a huge difference between or versus and which considering your profession I should not need to remind you. However since the insinuation you made is so off mark I will enlighten you anyway.

or- used to link alternatives
or definition - Google Search

Example- I ask you, "do you want a banana or an apple"? You say, "an apple", does that mean you will get the banana in addition to the apples? I don't think so.

Now if it had said "and" it would make sense for you to assume it is allowing marriage to slaves in addition to the rest of the wives.

and- used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences that are to be taken jointly.
and definition - Google Search

Have a good day.

Trying to enlighten me is not needed here, but please do note that the interpretation I refer to was used by Muslim Royalty, properly blessed and approved by the scholars of their times, throughout history to justify hundreds of concubines in harems in addition to wives. That is a historical fact. Islam is what its followers do, not what they claim.

 

[Spring Onion]

Such laws were made in 7th century when lesser mens were available due to their deaths in war.
But following such laws as book into 21st century is nothing, but greed by mens.
Even in India, mens have changed into Islam just to marry a second women. Its sick, and UCC is a must.

There was NO such LAW so you should better carefully read before claiming so.

we dint have any such law and we dont have any such law.

The moral of the story is that males are making excuses as you said

 

[bitter_truth]

2nd, 3rd, and 4th marriage is still better than "wife swapping'. by the way what about two men marrying on ewoman in indai, and girls being married to dogs?

neither marrying with dogs nor marrying with 4 wives is good.
India and Pakistan have huge population.. And if we have to move upwards..we have to stop justifying these bs.. Rest your wishes!

 

[Spring Onion]

neither marrying with dogs nor marrying with 4 wives is good.
India and Pakistan have huge population.. And if we have to move upwards..we have to stop justifying these bs.. Rest your wishes!

With passage of time financial constraints will fix these men but still we cant guarantee that men will not cheat

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

There was NO such LAW so you should better carefully read before claiming so.

we dint have any such law and we dont have any such law.

The moral of the story is that males are making excuses as you said

Err. Quran is a religious book, and muslims must follow it right? SO you mean its not a law, but a set of advices ?

 

[bitter_truth]

With passage of time financial constraints will fix these men but still we cant guarantee that men will not cheat

true.. But you know men are men.. Women need to protest against such acts.. Here in India 1 educated wife is equal to 10
one can't afford another 30!

 

[Spring Onion]

Err. Quran is a religious book, and muslims must follow it right? SO you mean its not a law, but a set of advices ?

Quran clearly set the guidelines and clearly said that you will not be able to do justice so it is better NOT to be unjust.

besides it is NOT a LAW in the Quran so indeed a permission but NOT a rule. Even the permission is conditional.

If you read Quran carefully the Law is about inheritance and financial dealings

true.. But you know men are men.. Women need to protest against such acts.. Here in India 1 educated wife is equal to 10
one can't afford another 30!

Let us also keep this in mind that even educated women in our society prefer marrying to a married man with whom she/they has/have affair.

besides men are having multiple sexual relations even outside the wedlock so whats the difference man.

You guys are shit

 

[bitter_truth]

Let us also keep this in mind that even educated women in our society prefer marrying to a married man with whom she/they has/have affair.

besides men are having multiple sexual relations even outside the wedlock so whats the difference man.

You guys are shit

those women are called padhi likhi unpadh..

 

[Spring Onion]

those women are called padhi likhi unpadh..

well NO . they are securing their own future.