Muslim teen (Saudi Arabian girl) reveals father's response to removing hijab

[My-Analogous]

Look its all about context.

Pagan Arabia buried their daughters alive, most likely had women flaunting around virtually naked most of the time. All that wierd pagan shit.

So this is a message for them to change that society.

And don't tell me about hadith, this is not verified and most likely altered. I don't care what Ibn bin Bukhari has to say even if he was best friends with the prophets best friend.

Quran is the de facto standard and nowhere does it explicitly say a niqab or hijab is needed. Just vague comments on how a woman should be dressed modestly outside.

I have nothing against modesty and its a good quality for a woman to have. But at the same time I believe in a society where a woman can choose what she wants to do. Nothing should be enforced.

Where did it say that it is for Arabs? Please give me reference as i did it to you. My Islam is not run on ideas or brainstorming. Please give me Quranic reference as you are not consider Hadith not verified and even all school of thought consider it verified.

Quran Karim

وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا ۖ وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ ۖ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّابِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُولِي الْإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُوا عَلَىٰ عَوْرَاتِ النِّسَاءِ ۖ وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ ۚ وَتُوبُوا إِلَى اللَّـهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ
Surah Nur Iyaah 31
English Translation
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

nowhere does it explicitly say a niqab or hijab is needed. Please read my post again and it is clearly written on it.

 

[salarsikander]

The q

^^The Quran doesn't mandate the hijab. End of story. The Quran only says that men and women should dress modestly and cover their private parts.

the Quran also does not teaches you how to pray or do wudu wudu for that matter

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

The q

the Quran also does not teaches you how to pray or do wudu wudu for that matter

Interestingly, the Quran also doesn't mention 5 prayers a day. It only mentions 3 prayers a day: sunrise, sunset and evening prayers. And it doesn't mention raka'at. I think it mentions timing instead of raka'at.

 

[The Sandman]

wudu wudu for that matter

It actually does.
"O you who believe, when you rise to observe the Salat, you shall wash your faces and your arms to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles." 5:6

 

[salarsikander]

Interestingly, the Quran also doesn't mention 5 prayers a day. It only mentions 3 prayers a day: sunrise, sunset and evening prayers. And it doesn't mention raka'at. I think it mentions timing instead of raka'at.

And yet prophet was sent, as a living example to elaborate mores on Quran and his teachings. Which are in effect in detailed of what Quran says.
Do you deny prophets teaching or saying ?

It actually does.
"O you who believe, when you rise to observe the Salat, you shall wash your faces and your arms to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles." 5:6

Prophet showed us the how wudu and pray is conducted. The ones whom are denying prophet saying and his teachings are either ignorant or are with sinister agenda

 

[Menace2Society]

Where did it say that it is for Arabs? Please give me reference as i did it to you. My Islam is not run on ideas or brainstorming. Please give me Quranic reference as you are not consider Hadith not verified and even all school of thought consider it verified.

Quran Karim

وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا ۖ وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ ۖ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّابِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُولِي الْإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُوا عَلَىٰ عَوْرَاتِ النِّسَاءِ ۖ وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ ۚ وَتُوبُوا إِلَى اللَّـهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ
Surah Nur Iyaah 31
English Translation
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

nowhere does it explicitly say a niqab or hijab is needed. Please read my post again and it is clearly written on it.

Lets break this down.

Ornaments = high price jewelry so they don't get robbed. Good advice.

draw veils over their bosom = this means dressing modestly. not wearing low cut tops or show lots of skin. Again good advice.

Nowhere does it say niqab and hijab. This is all made up by Ibn bin Zahawiri or Ibn bin whatever because he thought it would be a good idea.

I don't care what schools of thought think. Some schools of thought endorse TTP. Don't base your life on them. I only care what God thinks.

 

[My-Analogous]

And yet prophet was sent, as a living example to elaborate mores on Quran and his teachings. Which are in effect in detailed of what Quran says.
Do you deny prophets teaching or saying ?


Prophet showed us the how wudu and pray is conducted. The ones whom are denying prophet saying and his teachings are either ignorant or are with sinister agenda

Not only that. How to perform Salat, Zakaat, Hajj and other important part of Islam is in Hadith not in Quran. Quran only tell do Salat and Zakaat

Lets break this down.

Ornaments = high price jewelry so they don't get robbed. Good advice.

draw veils over their bosom = this means dressing modestly. not wearing low cut tops or show lots of skin. Again good advice.

Nowhere does it say niqab and hijab. This is all made up by Ibn bin Zahawiri or Ibn bin whatever because he thought it would be a good idea.

I don't care what schools of thought think. Some schools of thought endorse TTP. Don't base your life on them. I only care what God thinks.

You didn't give me reference from Quran and it is just your brain child. I clearly ask you reference. Do you have any?

 

[Menace2Society]

Not only that. How to perform Salat, Zakaat, Hajj and other important part of Islam is in Hadith not in Quran. Quran only tell do Salat and Zakaat



You didn't give me reference from Quran and it is just your brain child. I clearly ask you reference. Do you have any?

Read my post again. I have explained the wording.

Remember there is no priesthood in Islam. Maulana Jamil in the local mosque does not get to decide what is right and what is wrong.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

No where does it command women to wear a Hijab in this entire verse. NOT ONCE

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Where does it say wear Hijab? Exactly no where.

 

[salarsikander]

This is actually why Quranism is probably the future of Islam. It'll reform/modernize Islam, cleanse it of all the radical cultural/tribal elements and, ironically, make it closer to the true Islam that was envisioned by the author of the Quran.

Do you deny the role of prophet in Quran? Do you deny the shahdah ?

 

[Trango Towers]

Will all the people who are experts in Islam here GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES AND BE HUMBLE

Quoting verses to just win arguments. Crazy

 

[SQ8]

This sounds like a discussion going nowhere (although the arguments are more knowledgeable in some cases than the council of Islamic-ish ideology)

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