Muslim on Welfare for 19 years in Australia while plotting Jihad on the West

[third eye]

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Whose fault is this?

The one who gave the money (welfare)
or the one who took the money?


I think the West should ban welfare for new immigrants. it makes them misfits. Keeps them at home while they should be busting their @rses working.

Without doubt the fault is that of the ungrateful wretches who take the dole.

You cannot fault a kind man for being kind.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Without doubt the fault is that of the ungrateful wretches who take the dole.

You cannot fault a kind man for being kind.

If you were a father to 5 sons.

And you know one of them (god forbid) is heroin addict. Would you continue loading his debt card monthly with $1500?

And let him out daily to hang out with his druggie friends?

would you?

Are you by giving money to a druggie a "kind man" or a "enabler" of a criminal.

 

[shuntmaster]

Would you sit with them, while sipping beer (or chai) and bring this topic up again and again and again?

Yeah.. I do all of that pretty often. The Iranian friends I have here are pretty liberal and quite embarrassed of the antics of their coreligionists. Their women are very pretty and quite liberal too.. None of them wear the hijab or even the headscarf. I should admit that many of them are borderline atheists, though they don't acknowledge it publicly.
Some of the mid-east Muslims here are OK too, the guys are fine, but they force their women to cover-up. The worst are the Muslims from the Indian sub-continent. They try to be more Muslim and more Arab than the Arabs.

 

[third eye]

If you were a father to 5 sons.

And you know one of them (god forbid) is heroin addict. Would you continue loading his debt card monthly with $1500?

And let him out daily to hang out with his druggie friends?

would you?

Are you by giving money to a druggie a "kind man" or a "enabler" of a criminal.

No I wouldnt , however till I didnt know he was on drugs I would continue to do my duty as a father.

We S Asians have never been exposed to a welfare state, those who complain about Govt not providing amenities & those who burn buses are the ones who do not pay any tax.

This is the culture we have taken with us overseas.

 

[FaujHistorian]

No I wouldnt , however till I didnt know he was on drugs I would continue to do my duty as a father.
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Thanks for your response.

I'd respectfully add that "As a father it is your duty to watch your sons BEFORE giving them money" and have a system of accountability.

Dumping money (without proper monitoring and accountability) on kids OR citizens is a bad bad bad idea.

Hope you understand.

 

[third eye]

Thanks for your response.

I'd respectfully add that "As a father it is your duty to watch your sons BEFORE giving them money" and have a system of accountability.

Dumping money (without proper monitoring and accountability) on kids OR citizens is a bad bad bad idea.

Hope you understand.

I appreciate your POV.

However, in the west, parents are not as intrusive as we are. For us things like shutting doors is alien, we hardly ever knock a door before we enter - at least inside our homes.

The West assumes maturity and self control in their society & the family is run on those lines, their laws are also based on such values - ours are not.

Yes, given the changing times, surveillance is necessary.

 

[shuntmaster]

Thanks for your response.

I'd respectfully add that "As a father it is your duty to watch your sons BEFORE giving them money" and have a system of accountability.

Dumping money (without proper monitoring and accountability) on kids OR citizens is a bad bad bad idea.

Hope you understand.

The authorities cannot monitor all citizens for all their actions and intentions 24x7. Even if it tried, then the government will be accused of being an authoritarian & police state.

 

[FaujHistorian]

The authorities cannot monitor all citizens for all their actions and intentions 24x7. Even if it tried, then the government will be accused of being an authoritarian & police state.

not talking about ALL citizens.

Just the ones who are on government dole out.

Bhai you are trying to make it more complicated than it really is.

 

[shuntmaster]

not talking about ALL citizens.

Just the ones who are on government dole out.

Bhai you are trying to make it more complicated than it really is.

OK, even to monitor people on dole, how do you propose the government do it? tap their phones and internet, hidden cameras inside their homes? make their family members and neighbors to spy on them?
What exactly do you have in mind?

 

[janon]

Thanks for your response.

I'd respectfully add that "As a father it is your duty to watch your sons BEFORE giving them money" and have a system of accountability.

Dumping money (without proper monitoring and accountability) on kids OR citizens is a bad bad bad idea.

Hope you understand.

Beyond a point, you have to stop thinking in terms of analogies. It's easy for a parent to monitor his or her son or daughter. But it's not so easy for a country's govt to keep tabs on each individual. Analogies are almost always flawed, and this one certainly is.

It is not Australia's fault that they have a system of welfare payments to help the needy and aged. Now some young jobless bums may take advantage of that system, but that's the fault of those people. And how exactly is the Australian govt supposed to ensure that every person who receives a welfare check is an Australia lover and not a potential jihadi/anti-western values hypocrite? When they go to collect their welfare checks, they don't openly declare their hatred for the very system they are milking.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Welfare payments should be capped at 6 months. This is absurd, I work my butt off to be taxed by an uncaring government to fritter cash away for dumbass jihadists?

What about spending the money to upgrade the copper wire network in my area for better broadband? No, lazy good for nothing jihadists comes first.

 

[janon]

one must be the dumbest person to expect that people with job will have time for Jihad.

That's a misconception on your part. Plenty of wealthy professionals have gone jihading. Osama was a multi millionaire, and if he stuck to his family business, he could have made a few millions more. Some of the 9/11 hijackers were highly qualified professionals. A job or education does not guarantee that somebody will be immune to jihadi tendencies.

 

[FaujHistorian]

That's a misconception on your part. Plenty of wealthy professionals have gone jihading. Osama was a multi millionaire, and if he stuck to his family business, he could have made a few millions more. Some of the 9/11 hijackers were highly qualified professionals. A job or education does not guarantee that somebody will be immune to jihadi tendencies.

confusing rich Saudi kids with immigrants living on $200 a month?

You must be prejudiced to the hilt if you keep on ignoring so many other factors.

 

[shuntmaster]

That's a misconception on your part. Plenty of wealthy professionals have gone jihading. Osama was a multi millionaire, and if he stuck to his family business, he could have made a few millions more. Some of the 9/11 hijackers were highly qualified professionals. A job or education does not guarantee that somebody will be immune to jihadi tendencies.

Not to forget Faisal Shahzad the NYC times square attempted bomber..

 

[VeeraBahadur]

Time and again it raises same old questions when a muslim chooses go down the path of Jehad .

This is getting too much now.World should come together and finish this mess for peaceful existence of humans on earth.