Muslim group says Dr. Kalam was not a Muslim as he prayed to idols and respected gurus

[Hamza913]

Who are you and me to say whether he was a Muslim or not? He was a person who placed his national identity over his religious identity. Let me tell you one thing - he is still considered the most revered of all the presidents. When he died all Indians - irrespective of their religious faith mourned. I even remember seeing a poster put by an organization which put him in the same pedestal as ancient saints and leaders like Swami Vivekanand

Well then he's not a Muslim. Nationalism is kufr, especially if the country isn't even Islamic in the first place.

Depends on your lens.

You think Sufis give a shit about what you have to say?

Just something to think about.

It doesn't depend on lens, it's the blunt truth, shrines are shirk as is some of the heretical beliefs people hold about Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him, they act like he was some kind of superhuman when in reality he was a simple man like you and I for the most part.

That is what I am saying - let his Muslim identity be between him and Allah, SWT. You, Me nor these fringe groups have any rights to say that he is a Muslim or not.

PS - a little off topic - the same reasoning should apply to everyone. If a person claims he is a Muslim then then other Muslims should not sit in judgement on his religious status. Let it be between him and Allah, SWT

If someone displays their kufr, then we have the right to call them out on it. Simple as.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Well then he's not a Muslim. Nationalism is kufr, especially if the country isn't even Islamic in the first place.



It doesn't depend on lens, it's the blunt truth, shrines are shirk as is some of the heretical beliefs people hold about Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him, they act like he was some kind of superhuman when in reality he was a simple man like you and I for the most part.

Can't really discuss religion here. I am of the same thought as you, but you should realize not all of Pakistan holds our view.

 

[Goenitz]

Ghandi , Nehru,Jinnah, Iqbal, Aurangzeb , Muhammad Gori all are dead too.
Then why people discuss them in particular part of the world??

he meant discussing his beliefs.... not his actions

 

[Hamza913]

Can't really discuss religion here. I am of the same thought as you, but you should realize not all of Pakistan holds our view.

Soon, inshallah they will. Salafi/Deobandi madrassas are dominating more than ever now, where as Sufi madrassas are dwindling day by day.

 

[padamchen]

Well then he's not a Muslim. Nationalism is kufr, especially if the country isn't even Islamic in the first place.



It doesn't depend on lens, it's the blunt truth, shrines are shirk as is some of the heretical beliefs people hold about Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him, they act like he was some kind of superhuman when in reality he was a simple man like you and I for the most part.



If someone displays their kufr, then we have the right to call them out on it. Simple as.

How about Jinnah?

Was he Muslim or kufr?

@lastofthepatriots ? Muslim or kufr?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Hamza913]

So who are you to decide if he followed the muslim guidelines correctly or not?


And you are an expert on Quran and its preachings?

Doesn't take a genius to know what shirk is. The religion and it's rulings are dead easy.

How about Jinnah?

Was he Muslim or kufr?

@lastofthepatriots ? Muslim or kufr?

Cheers, Doc



How about Jinnah?

Was he Muslim or kufr?

@lastofthepatriots ? Muslim or kufr?

Cheers, Doc

Jinnah wasn't the best Muslim, but I wouldn't call him a kafir unless he was a practising Shia (from what I know he was just born Shia, but if someone can prove otherwise I will not call him a Muslim).

 

[padamchen]

Doesn't take a genius to know what shirk is. The religion and it's rulings are dead easy.



Jinnah wasn't the best Muslim, but I wouldn't call him a kafir unless he was a practising Shia (from what I know he was just born Shia, but if someone can prove otherwise I will not call him a Muslim).

So kufr?

@lastofthepatriots ? Kufr?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Hamza913]

You sir, with your good mouth and great posting history are a better person that Abdul Kalam?

Any regular practising (or even non practising) Muslim is better than Kalam.

 

[SQ8]

Dr Kalam's Legacy in India vs these "muslim" groups

 

[gslv mk3]

Curious, what is written in urdu there ?

 

[Hamza913]

So kufr?

@lastofthepatriots ? Kufr?

Cheers, Doc

Nope, he's still Muslim. Just not the best Muslim.

 

[ChennaiDude]

I won't blame you all you have met is indian Muslim .......... wish someday you would meet any other Muslim and know him good.

I have met Muslims from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and a few from arab countries as well!..They are not even close to what I see here on PDF on a daily basis..Yes they are religious, but have respect for other faiths as well. And no they are not acting..I would know!...I have broken Fast with them and they have whole heartedly invited me on many occasions as well....So stop your BS.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

How about Jinnah?

Was he Muslim or kufr?

@lastofthepatriots ? Muslim or kufr?

Cheers, Doc

That would be hard to say because I didn't personally know Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

 

[SQ8]

What is written in urdu there ?

First says celebrating getting to mars

Second is those goats talking about Islamic way to slice a cucumber

 

[padamchen]

Nope, he's still Muslim. Just not the best Muslim.

I don't understand.

How then is Kalam sir kufr and Jinnah not a good Muslim?

I'd be happy to be helped to appreciate the finer theological differences.

Cheers, Doc