Mushy "I will go back" - This corrupted guy won't give up.

[KingMamba]

well if that the case mush was no dictator in it self he didnot destroyed the courts he didnot formed a marshall law the law of pakistan running at that time was not nullified .................

Regardless of what he did after he came into power the way he seized power makes him a Dictator and history will remember him as such unless he returns and wins the elections.

 

[Hello_10]

He only strengthened his bank accounts, how else would he support his luxurious living in London?

my this comment won't be taken on political way.

but, it was a news just 1-2 years before in Sydney among us that Mr Mush is now billionaire and keep 4-6 white girls in his one big residence of UK's suburb. and whenever any political/ military person of Pakistan goes to meet him, he is served with those 4-6 white girls on breakfast/ dinner etc and if he shows his desparateness on any of those girls and Mr Mush then find it hard to refuse that request of that pakistani leader, he then allow...........

 

[Mav3rick]

in that case my man was prophet Muhammad (SAW) corrupt was tipu sultan corrupt was was abu baker(R.A) omer(R.A) ALi(R.A) usman(R.A) the best 4 caliph the Muslims ever got corrupt cause my dear men they were all dictator in their lives yet the very foundation of who and we are stands on them think about it

Neither the Prophet (PBUH) nor any of the caliphs were dictators my friend. According to my knowledge during the battle of Badr (Ghazwa-e-Badr) Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) planned on fielding his troops infront of a well but was advised to make stand infront of a different well and he did.

Besides, what people do not understand is that dictatorship is not necessarily a bad thing. Look at Qadhafi, look at what he did for his country and his countrymen and look what his countrymen did to him. It is a fact that majority of humans are below average IQ and they just have to prove it time and again.

 

[ice_man]

Biggest crime of Musharraf was to agree on NRO that gave BB and NS a chance to return to politics? But is it not our fellow Pakistanis who elected one of them in Punjab and the other all across the country? When Musharraf imposes his decisions he is a dictator but when he gives you a chance to choose your representatives yourselves he becomes a criminal for doing so? I mean make up your minds already!

It is democracy that has failed us time and again and dictatorship that has bounced us back every time, look it up.

Besides, do you not think the CJ is supporting the Govt.? I mean give me a single verdict where he has forced the Govt. to obey the orders of SC in verbatim or vogue. When SC has the authority to have its verdicts implemented even by calling in the military just to do so, why have they not called in the military in the past 4 years while every single day the Govt. ridicules SC and CJ. Is it not a fact today that there are different implementations and translations of the constitution for ordinary Pakistanis and VIPS? Think it over.

dictators have saved pakistan you say????? YAHYA lost us EAST PAKISTAN! ZIA-UL-HAQ BROUGHT EXTREMISM & RISE OF MQM & PML N!!!

as for supreme court time & again it has given a decision against PPP but again and again parliment has turned it down why? answer is a corrupt inept democracy will improve but a one man show will destroy pakistan!!

you have lost east pakistan & currently are losing north pakistan due to what zia ul haq encouraged! and balochustain is rebelling due to what your beloved mushi did!

so please don't ever tell me dictator is better!

 

[batmannow]

dictators have saved pakistan you say????? YAHYA lost us EAST PAKISTAN! ZIA-UL-HAQ BROUGHT EXTREMISM & RISE OF MQM & PML N!!!

as for supreme court time & again it has given a decision against PPP but again and again parliment has turned it down why? answer is a corrupt inept democracy will improve but a one man show will destroy pakistan!!

you have lost east pakistan & currently are losing north pakistan due to what zia ul haq encouraged! and balochustain is rebelling due to what your beloved mushi did!

so please don't ever tell me dictator is better!

I think, you just missed, the name of father of democrazy of pakistan?
I mean, Z A BHUTTO, & his role , in DHAKA,s FALL?
UDDHAR TUM, IDHHAR HUM, wasn't was, his slogan?
Plz, read the history, of pakistan, with open eyes?

 

[ice_man]

I think, you just missed, the name of father of democrazy of pakistan?
I mean, Z A BHUTTO, & his role , in DHAKA,s FALL?
UDDHAR TUM, IDHHAR HUM, wasn't was, his slogan?
Plz, read the history, of pakistan, with open eyes?

bhutto is equally as bad if not worse then All the dictators BUT yahya was drunk and dancing when Pakistan was burning! he was army cheif he should have controlled pakistan but he didn't!

but my facts still stand that ALL generals of Pakistan have destroyed Pakistan and helped shape the loss off some part of pakistan & either they ran away or were buried with FULL STATE FUNERAL (yahya) 21 gun salute!

 

[AHMED85]

He is still better than most of the political parties in Pakistan. I would take him any time in exchange of Zardari, Altaf bhai or Asfand Yar Wal

Nice according to order situaiton and control the country this man was good for Pakistan...

i think if PTI & this Man stay in one plate form for Pakistan than it will be perfect combination for future planing and initiatives...

In our country the most weak point for majority of peoples to never make assessment on Parties by cutting their personal affiliations. Which is the core element of Democracy in any country and it survival....

 

[Fasih Khan]

Interesting, please list the corruptions he perpetrated.

My Challenge to RayKalm. Nawaz's right hand Man on public accounts comitee from last alomost 5 years could'nt bring a single corruption case against Musharraf, Now RayKalm would do the job.

All i've read so far from the threadstarter is "Musharraf is corrupt, corrupt, corrupt" etc etc..

Nothing credible to come up with to back up his accussations.

Really now, I know it's hard to admit, but he has been one of the better leaders we've had in our history. I know it's hard to swallow that fact, just look at the statistics regarding our economy back then.

I mean, these threads have come and gone, we've had plenty of discussions with other mindless Musharraf bashers and trust me, they had the same shouts and slogans, but little to back it up.

Just leave it be, this man has achieved more in his life than any of those bashers ever could. A true son of Pakistan and I respect his efforts.

Ofcourse he has mades mistakes, but I would give anything and anyone a chance over the current bunch of "leaders".

You dare call him corrupt, but corrupt in what sense? All these internet warriors do not know what it means to serve your nation. This man has served our country for so long, nothing but respect.

Why on earth would he want to fill his bank account with corrupt money? While he has already achieved so much, wealth does not drive him, it is idiotic to even think of that.

He makes his money by indeed giving lectures, and if I recall, he wrote a book as well.
I'm pretty sure he's free to do so. Atleast he earned it fair and square.

RayKalm, you shouldn't waste your energy on trying to bash this man, he is a true patriot, regardless of what you think of him.
It's shameful a common Pakistani, most likely living in Canada?, insults a man of Musharraf's stature and achievements.

You people think he sold out the country to the Americans back in 2001? Well hey, I hate to break it to you, but back then, and what happened with 9/11, being in charge of Pakistan was perhaps the most dangerous job.
He always stated that he was walking a thin line back then, and always thought of what is in best interest of Pakistan.

But then again, all these internet bashing warriors most likely know what's better.

You should salute him, he is a man of honor, better yet, I love that man, and can only hope to achieve even an inch of what he has.

A true patriot and Pakistani, remember that.

Regardless, I do not have any ill feelings to my countrymen/women, you are free to think of him in your ways, but please, have respect where it's due.
You people make him sound less than a dog, which is so shameful.

The future is indeed with Imran Khan and PTI, atleast I hope it is, so let us focus on that.
If and when Musharraf returns, it will most likely be when this current government is out of order.

And I doubt Musharraf still has a political future in Pakistan, but nevertheless, he is an asset and is always ready to serve Pakistan when & where ever.

Hats Off Sir. How good to see people with fullest Truth.

Musharaf was one of the best presidents pakistan ever had. Sure, he was a dictator, however, by South Asian standards, he was pretty good.

The difference between him and present government is that he was not incompetent. He increased cooperation with US which is good but the present government failed to keep up the "cooperation" and converted the relationship to somewhat like a hubby/wife about to get divorced or something.

All the sane all around shares your view of him. It's only dum*head Bigots who accuse him of all what he was not.

 

[batmannow]

bhutto is equally as bad if not worse then All the dictators BUT yahya was drunk and dancing when Pakistan was burning! he was army cheif he should have controlled pakistan but he didn't!

but my facts still stand that ALL generals of Pakistan have destroyed Pakistan and helped shape the loss off some part of pakistan & either they ran away or were buried with FULL STATE FUNERAL (yahya) 21 gun salute!

That was a planned, conspiracy my dear, gen yayha wasn't was so, bad as his persoonality , is been describedn latter?
He was a good militry commander, who was ready to fight, but been nt clever in trusting, mr bhutto with closed eyes, its the same thing, with gen ZIA-UL-HAQ (shaheed) , he trusted NAWAZ. &CO, which was his lethal mistake, its again with MUSHARF he, was been back sttabbed by CHOWDRIEs, it will be kept , going on & on!
Well gen YAHYA , was miss-informed, of the politics going on, at. That time of history, he was told of seventh fleet of US navy, comming to rescue of PA, which was never arrived, it was , all bhuTtos game, thts why, BHUTTO got hanged, & GEN yAhya got , full houners!
You can read a book, written in early 80s by, retrd(Brigdr) SiddiQ Salik “mein ney dahaka dobtey dehkha” you will get, lot of info, of many peoples.
Still in the end, its our dam politiciAns , who still have swiss bank , accounts & properties & some of them , still getting their white rich wives, just to get their, political finances. & to get double nationalities for their , mixed raced sons?
Still we can't find, any of our dictators doing, that, that's the reason, they still get 21 guns salutes.

 

[Mav3rick]

dictators have saved pakistan you say????? YAHYA lost us EAST PAKISTAN! ZIA-UL-HAQ BROUGHT EXTREMISM & RISE OF MQM & PML N!!!

as for supreme court time & again it has given a decision against PPP but again and again parliment has turned it down why? answer is a corrupt inept democracy will improve but a one man show will destroy pakistan!!

you have lost east pakistan & currently are losing north pakistan due to what zia ul haq encouraged! and balochustain is rebelling due to what your beloved mushi did!

so please don't ever tell me dictator is better!

If we expand the horizon of our arguments to Yahya Khan's tenure, our debate would spiral out of control. Suffice to say it was PPP that broke the country in half, Bhutto to be more specific.

Compare Musharraf's tenure to this tenure or the tenure of any elected democratic Government and then come back to me if you can find someone better.

 

[user1]

If we expand the horizon of our arguments to Yahya Khan's tenure, our debate would spiral out of control. Suffice to say it was PPP that broke the country in half, Bhutto to be more specific.

Compare Musharraf's tenure to this tenure or the tenure of any elected democratic Government and then come back to me if you can find someone better.

That is exactly where Musharraf succeeds, in comparison.

In my view/experience, he was more democratizing than these phony democratically elected leaders.

His local govt. initiative was lauded by everybody, it was a true approach to bring leadership among the masses.

He is also responsible for freeing up of the press/media; another important contribution towards attaining the goal of people's rulership.

 

[a. hussain]

That is exactly where Musharraf succeeds, in comparison.

In my view/experience, he was more democratizing than these phony democratically elected leaders.

His local govt. initiative was lauded by everybody, it was a true approach to bring leadership among the masses.

He is also responsible for freeing up of the press/media; another important contribution towards attaining the goal of people's rulership.

And it was the same Media (Free & Unpatriotic) which played in the hands of NS, BB, MQM etc and is still playing. Though he made no. of mistakes but in my opinion but not as much as traitors like ZB/ BB/Zardari & NS clan etc.

Thanks

 

[RuheTag]

When in power, and especially in a country like Pakistan where is no shortage of controversy and enormous problems, the goverment has to make a lot of decisions, many of them are very difficult touching controversal topics. A decision's rightness or wrongness can be judged by two things, a) intention b) with the circumstances of that time.

i.e. One cannot judge a decision made in 2001 with all the fallout seen. e.g. decision to suspend to Chief justice in 2007 was right according to that, because the CJ was going to declare his re-election illegal and that had to be stopped. Now after all of seen the outcome and fallout of that decision (Which at the time of that decision was difficult to predict), people say it was a wrong decision. Well, it did proved that, that situation should have been handled differently but this when we have seen the outcome. The real challenge is to predict the effect of decision in advance.

 

[PakiRambo]

He only strengthened his bank accounts, how else would he support his luxurious living in London?

you and the other people calling Musharraf corrupt seem to be getting him mixed up with Zardari. Name one leader who was better than Musharraf in the history of Pakistan (apart from Jinnah). Also, please remember Musharraf did not make the decision to enter the WOT alone - the collaborative agreement across all Pakistani officials, the army, think tanks, and government officials was made. If Pakistan had not entered the WOT in 2001, we would have been "bombed back to the Stone Age" as per Bush's government. There would be also far greater financial, economic and military repercussions had Pakistan not joined in the WOT. The state of Pakistan was much better during the times of Musharraf's reign. Please read on the biography of Musharraf and what he has done for this country during not only his time as the leader of Pakistan but also for the army before degrading and spitting out lies against him. Even to this day, he has defended Pakistan several times and done many talks in response to foreign allegations against Pakistan. Musharraf is a true Pakistani nationalist, and should be seen as one despite whatever you may think about him.

I know the concerns are arising and the blame is being put on Musharraf for Pakistan's current situation, but playing this blame game does not help anyone's case. Pakistan HAD to enter the WOT because threats from terrorists are within our own borders and we would be fighting against extremism anyways - and what better way but to not only assist the US in this WOT but gain assistance from them as well in the form of aid & military support. The only difference of opinion lies within what tactics are laid out to deal with the terrorists - and that is completely justified for you to be angry or not agree with the the US & Pakistan's decisions.

Remember we are all human and we make mistakes. Musharraf might have made some bad decisions and good decisions as well, but he is as close as to the best leader Pakistan has ever had in recent decades.

 

[Donatello]

He is still better than most of the political parties in Pakistan. I would take him any time in exchange of Zardari, Altaf bhai or Asfand Yar Wal

........this shameless guy still hasn't apologized to the sons of the Motherland he got killed in Kargil......