Musharraf: Uniform is an intergral part of my life

[Neo]

Mushy has done nothing new. Any leader would have sided with US under the pressure. The fact is a civilian leader would have taken a bit longer to convince his people to follow him. A military man does not care about Pakistanis.

Imho defence and national security is not a public concern.
GoP will do what ever is in best interest of the nation regardless if its a military or a civil one.

Pakistans economy is better because of 911. Pakistan was one of the most sanctioned state starting from the end of Zia's rule to pre 911. 1998 fater nuclear tests was the worst period in our history in terms of sanctions.

No doubt about that, 9/11 played significant role in the turnaround of Pak economy.
Most sanctiones were lifted or waived imidiately ending a long era of international isolement.

After 9/11 our debts have been rescheduled meaning we still have to pay them back sooner or later. The economic boom that we are seeing is temporary, as we have just recently seen the worst crash in markets in our history.

I consider the glass to be half empty rather than the other way around.
Dept repayments are quite a burden on our budget but now we are using the that money to finance development projects which again will generate revenues and result in increase of the GDP making repayments easier.

 

[Lahori paa jee]

Imho defence and national security is not a public concern.
GoP will do what ever is in best interest of the nation regardless if its a military or a civil one.

Then why not let the army take care of defence and let politicians take care of matters of state

I consider the glass to be half empty rather than the other way around.
Dept repayments are quite a burden on our budget but now we are using the that monet to finance development projects which again will generate revenues and result in increase of the GDP making repayments easier.

Are they repaying the debts or are they keeping it as such for a civilian goverment to suffer under the burden

 

[Neo]

Then why not let the army take care of defence and let politicians take care of matters of state.

We will, after March 2007.

Are they repaying the debts or are they keeping it as such for a civilian goverment to suffer under the burden

Both!
First of all Pak foreign debts skyroketed under civil rule in the late eighties till late nineties and almost doubled in this period as government could borrow more and more without anybody asking questions.
Mush has amended the policy and restricted the freedom of politicians to get loan from international institutions.
Today every loan has to be agreed by NA under the FRC, Fiscal Responisibility Council.

 

[sigatoka]

A military man does not care about Pakistanis.

Pakistans economy is better because of 911. The economic boom that we are seeing is temporary, as we have just recently seen the worst crash in markets in our history.

Ok just a simple question, How is our economy growing?

Why wouldnt a leader of a nation not care about his people?? I never understood this. He seems to care more if we judge by performance which has been better than his civilian predesor.

The aid Pak. receives is peanuts compared to what Egypt and Israel receives, your remark is unfair that Pak. growth of 7% is due to increased aid.

Why is it temporary? On what basis do you say that.

The share market in India and Pak. had become over valued due to hype and new investors. There is a saying that when the tea lady starts talking about shares, its time to sell.

Regardless, the fundamentals of the economy is strong. The share market will make a recovery on the back of strong company profits.

I dont understand? What do u mean by "how is our economy growing?. Do you mean why, or do u dispute the statistics that it is growing @ all?

 

[sigatoka]

Are they repaying the debts or are they keeping it as such for a civilian goverment to suffer under the burden

Another irrational opposition to debt. Debt is neither good nor bad, it depends on how the debt is used. If the government borrows to invest such that the economy starts growing @ 7% it will have no problems repaying in the future.

It is better than refusing to take debt, not investing and having the economy grow @ 4%.

 

[Lahori paa jee]

Why wouldnt a leader of a nation not care about his people?? I never understood this. He seems to care more if we judge by performance which has been better than his civilian predesor.

The aid Pak. receives is peanuts compared to what Egypt and Israel receives, your remark is unfair that Pak. growth of 7% is due to increased aid.

Why is it temporary? On what basis do you say that.

The share market in India and Pak. had become over valued due to hype and new investors. There is a saying that when the tea lady starts talking about shares, its time to sell.

Regardless, the fundamentals of the economy is strong. The share market will make a recovery on the back of strong company profits.

I dont understand? What do u mean by "how is our economy growing?. Do you mean why, or do u dispute the statistics that it is growing @ all?

A countries economy flourishes on the industrial sector? How many industries have been set up during the last decadeor so. How many of our population are employed?

 

[sigatoka]

A countries economy flourishes on the industrial sector? How many industries have been set up during the last decadeor so. How many of our population are employed?

Your first statment is wrong, Kuwait, Australia, New Zealand, Britian are prosperous nations whithout a huge industrial sector (as proportion of GDP).

A nations prosperity depends upon specialing in areas it has natural advantage and doing the basics right.

I think it is a good thing the govt. is concentrating on stable macroeconomic conditions and privatisation and small microeconomic reforms in tax and so on.

Im not sure of unemployment figures but ill go out on a limb and say its less than 6%. This is much better than in Iran, Germany and France (all over 10%).

 

[Muradk]

A countries economy flourishes on the industrial sector? How many industries have been set up during the last decadeor so. How many of our population are employed?

Is some village missing this guy .
just because your name is lahori Paa Jee , You don’t have to prove that you are a paa jee after all, what has Nawaz and Bibi done in there terms that you are so against the army. One was giving 2 times to prove and the other 3 times. They have Fu---- the country. You must be one of the people in our country who have not got what they wanted from GOP and I don’t care but what I care is when you come to a forum and say something , get your facts straight and don’t just say oh Mushy has not done this , he has not done that. Do you think it is easy to run a country with Paa Jees like you running around and saying that we are for democracy, yes we are but when the country is in the hands of the politicians they make a bigger mess? It will take us some time but one day we will change into a successful society and we are on right track things don’t change over night they take time. The change starts within remember.
your so called politicians a small example Zardari and BIBI gave an interview and host asked Zardari if your children understood why you were in jail and BIBI infront of a billion people says , I told my children that your father is in jail because he cares for pakistan and they dont like him because he is a good man and a honest man , Paa Jee the honest man made this is 5 years look.

The National Accountability Bureau (NAB) has provided a list detailing Asif Ali Zardari’s assets to an accountability court (AC). NAB had filed a reference against Zardari for accumulating prima facie assets, properties and bank accounts overseas from corruption in collaboration with his spouse Benazir Bhutto and other government functionaries. The court has also ordered freezing Zardari’s foreign properties.



Following is the list of properties:

Agricultural land in Deh 51 Dad Taluka, Nawabshah.

Plot No three and four Sikni (Residential) Near Housing Society Ltd, Nawabshah.

Café Sheraz (CS No 2231/2 and 2231/3), Nawabshah.

Agricultural land in Deh 23-Deh Taluka and Nawabshah.

Agricultural land in Deh 72-A, Nusrat Taluka, Nawabshah.

Agricultural land in Deh 76-Nusrat Taluka, Nawabshah.

Plot No A/136 Survey No 2346 Ward A Government Employees Cooperative Housing Society Ltd, Nawabshah.

Agricultural land in Deh Jaryoon, Tando Allah Yar, Hyderabad.

Agricultural land in Deh Aroro, Tando Allah Yar.

Agricultural land in Deh Nondani, Tando Allah Yar.

Agricultural land in Deh Lotko, Tando Allah Yar.

Agricultural land in Deh Jhol, Tando Allah Yar.

Agricultural land in Deh Kandari, Tando Allah Yar.

Agricultural land in Deh Deghi, Tando Mohammad Khan, Hyderabad.

Agricultural land in Deh Rahooki, Hyderabad.

Property in Deh Charo Taluka, Badin.

Agricultural property in Deh Dali Wadi Taluka, Hyderabad.

Five areas prime land allotted by DGKDA in 1995/96

4,000 Kanals on Simli Dam

80 acres of land at Hawkes Bay

13 acres of land at Maj Gulradi (KPT land).

One acre plot, GCI, Clifton.

One acre of land, State life (International Centre, Sadar).



Shares:

Sakrand Sugar Mills, Nawabshah.

Ansari Sugar Mills, Hyderabad.

Mirza Sugar Mills, Badin.

Pangrio Sugar Mills, Thatta.

Bachani Sugar Mills, Sanghar.

FEBCs worth Rs 4,000,000.



Foreign Assets (Front Companies):

Bomer Finance Inc, British Virgin Islands.

Mariston Securities Inc, British Virgin Island.

Marleton Business SA, British Virgin Islands.

Capricorn Trading SA, British Virgin Islands.

Fagarita Consulting Inc, British Virgin Islands.

Marvil Associated Inc, British Virgin Islands.

Pwnbury Finance Ltd, British Virgin Islands.

Oxton Trading Ltd, British Virgin Islands.

Brinslen Invest SA, British Virgin Islands.

Chimitex Holding SA, British Virgin Islands.

Elkins Holding S. A. British Virgin Islands.

Minister Invest Ltd, British Virgin Islands.

Silvernut Investments Inc, British Virgin Islands.

Tacolen Investment Ltd, British Virgin Islands.

Marlcrdon Invest SA, British Virgin Islands.

Dustan Trading Inc, British Virgin Islands.

Reconstruction and Development Finance Inc, British Virgin Islands.

Nassam Alexander Inc.

Westminster Securities Inc.

Lapworth Investment Inc, 202 Saint Martin Drive, West Jacksonville.

Intra Foods Inc, 376 Lomrel Grove, Jacksonville, Florida.

Dynatel Trading Co, Florida.

AS Realty Inc, Palm Beach Gardens, Florida.

Bon Voyage Travel Consultancy.



Properties in UK:

Rockwood Estate, Haslemere Road, Surrey.

Flat 6, 11 Queens gate Terrace, London SW7.

26 Palace Mansions, Hammersmith Road, London W14.

27 Pont Street London SW1.

20 Wilton Cresent London SW1.

23 Lord Chancellor Walk, Coombe Hill, Kingston, Surrey KT2 7 AG.

The Mansion, Warren Lane, West Hampstead, London NW6.



Properties in Belgium:

12-3 Boulevard De-Nieuport, 1000, Brussels (building containing 4 shops and 2 large apartments).

Cauisee De-mons, 1670 Brussels.



Properties in US (In Zardari’s name and managed by Shimmy Qureshi):

Stud farm in Texas.

Wellington Club East.

West Palm Beach, 12165 West Forest Hills, Florida.

Escue Farm 13524 India Mound, West Palm Beach, Florida.

3220 Santa Barba Drive, Wellington Florida.

13254 Polo Club Road, West Palm Beach, Florida.

3000 North Ocean Drive, Singer Islands, Florida.

525 South Flager Drive, West Palm Beach, Florida.

Holiday Inn Huston (Owned by Asif Ali Zardari, Iqbal Memon and Sadaruddin Hashwani).



Bank Accounts:

Union Bank of Switzerland (Account No.552.343, 257.556.60Q, 433. 142.60V, 216.393.60T).

Citibank Private Limited (SWZ) (Account No.342034).

Citibank NA Dubai (Account No.818097).

Barclays Bank (SUISE) (Account No.62290209).

Barclays Bank (SUISEE) (Account No.62274400).

Banque Centrade Ormard Burrus SA.

Banque Pache SA.

Banque Pictet & Cie.

Banque La Henin, Paris (Account No.00101953552).

Bank Natinede Paris in Geneva (Account No.563.726.9).

Swiss Bank Corporation.

Chase Manhattan Bank Switzerland.

American Express Bank Switzerland

Societe De Banque Swissee.

Barclays Bank (Knightsbridge Branch) (Account No.90991473).

Barclays Bank (Kingston and Chelsea Branch) (Sort Code 20-47-34135).

National Westminster Bank (Alwych Branch (A/C No.96832320).

Harrods Bank Limited (A/c No.11309063).

Midland Bank (Pall Mall Branch).

National Westminster Bank, Barking Branch (A/C No.28559899).

Habib Bank AG, Moorgate, London EC2.

National Westminster Bank, Edgware Road London W2.

Banque Financiei e Dela Citee.

Crdit Suisse.

Habib Bank AG Zurich, Switzerland.

Pictet Et Cie, Geneva.

Credit Agricole, Paris.

Credit Agridolf, Branch 11, Place Brevier. 76440, Forges Les Faux.

Credit Agricole, Branch Haute – Normandie, 76230, Boise Chillaume

 

[sigatoka]

What does Paa Jee mean?

 

[Neo]

Is some village missing this guy .
just because your name is lahori Paa Jee , You don’t have to prove that you are a paa jee after all, what has Nawaz and Bibi done in there terms that you are so against the army. One was giving 2 times to prove and the other 3 times. They have Fu---- the country. You must be one of the people in our country who have not got what they wanted from GOP and I don’t care but what I care is when you come to a forum and say something , get your facts straight and don’t just say oh Mushy has not done this , he has not done that. Do you think it is easy to run a country with Paa Jees like you running around and saying that we are for democracy, yes we are but when the country is in the hands of the politicians they make a bigger mess?

Murad,

Kill the message not the messenger!
Personal attacks are not to be tollerated on this forum.

Neo

 

[Spring Onion]

A countries economy flourishes on the industrial sector? How many industries have been set up during the last decadeor so. How many of our population are employed?

paa jee can tell us how many industries were set up by NS ? and how these (if any ) set up by him benefited the common man instead of adding to his own wealth?..


everyone knows that before entering into national politics what was the postion of his assests as compare to those after he was elected as Punjab CM and latter as PM of the country

 

[Lahori paa jee]

paa jee can tell us how many industries were set up by NS ? and how these (if any ) set up by him benefited the common man instead of adding to his own wealth?..

I said a decade or so which includes the tenure of NS, BB and Mushy

everyone knows that before entering into national politics what was the postion of his assests as compare to those after he was elected as Punjab CM and latter as PM of the country

Thats all hard earned money. They have cases against them and time will till wrong or right.

 

[TexasJohn]

What does Paa Jee mean?

Me too!!:what1:

 

[A.Rahman]

Me too!!:what1:

Pajee is a term given to someone who is punjabi.

 

[Lahori paa jee]

Pajee is a term given to someone who is punjabi.

And the one who is proud to be punjabi