Musharraf Ki Yaad AAyi Us Kay Janay Kay Baad

[Icarus]

By the way, PSM was not being sold at a loss.
The worth of Steels Mills calculated on 30 June 1999, including 4,500 acres (18 km2) of land and long term assets, came to $0.294 billion. The worth of Steels Mills grew from 1999 to 2005 to become $349 million and while a Saudi group Tuwairqi agreed to pay $362 million for Steels Mills. In 1999, Steels Mills had loan of Rs.19.11 bn, which was being repaid and currently only Rs. 4 billion is left.
The government was privatizing Steels Mills in profit of $13 million and had not sold the excess 14,500 acres (59 km2) of land of Pakistan Steel Mills and negotiations were on with the Sindh government to set up an Industrial Park on that land.

 

[qsaark]

The Chief justice is PM's responsibility but the CoAS is the President's as the President is the supreme commander.........then again, honestly there have been so many changes have been made to the constitution, you can't tell what's what.

Sure you can tell what is what; you just need to read it. But for a dictator supporter, the constitution is nothing more than a piece of garbage so you would read it, it’s rather far fetched a thought.

UBL has actually become more profitable since it was privatized, as for HBL also continues to dominate the Banking sector, so no harm done there. They were nationalized in the first place by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto as a part of his socialist policies but since Pakistan is not a Communist country, it makes no sense following communist ideology.

So the purpose was to make a profitable financial institution more profitable….at the cost of ???? employees. These banks are showing more profit not because they were privatized but because lots of the employee lost their jobs, benefits and pensions. So yes, the banks showed more profit at the cost of increased unemployment... Only a Dictator and his supporters would praise this kind of cruelty. And what you wrote about Socialism? Socialism = Communism ??? Have you ever read Quran and Hadith? You know what kind of system they talk about? Capitalism? Where rich become richer and poor become poorer ?? Now I know what kind of a person I am talking to…Better leave you and your wet dreams of Musharraf coming into power alone.

You mean this:
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 1999: $ 270 billion
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 2007: $ 475.5 billion
GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 2008: $ 504.3 billion

Pure statistical juggling; a country where half of the economy is undocumented, where there is simply no record of financial transactions, you are talking about statistics. Even if it was twice as compared to what it was in 1999, what about the inflation? When I left Pakistan in 2001, the bread was Rs 2.00, in 2008, it was Rs 5-6. And not only bread, utilities, gasoline, just everything was twice to thrice as expensive as it was in 1999. So there go your statistics into the dustbin of hard facts on the ground.

His attack on the soldiers who were sent to negotiate(3 officers and 2 Jawans) is confirmed as for the facts behind his death, they kind of vary.

Confirmed by whom? UN? Red Cross? Or by Musharraf regime, that itself was a party.

It was this very sidelining that was making the "Muhajir" community feel as if they were not Pakistan, thus leading to the Jinnahpur and Urdudesh controversies............at least now, their insecurities have been dealt with...............

Nobody is sidelining the Mohajir community; Mohajirs are literally hijacked by the terrorist organization called MQM. What MQM did on May 12 under the full auspicious of Musharraf regime is not the fault of the Mohajirs, neither no one is saying that, but of that particular terrorist organization. Don't try to confuse this issue, its simply that not all the Mojahirs are terrorist, but all the MQM terrorist are Mohajirs.

 

[sparklingway]

The ‘happening place’
By Kamran Shafi
Tuesday, 02 Mar, 2010

“PAKISTAN is the most happening place in the world where there is never a dull moment.” So pronounced the Commando to a “packed audience” at Chatham House in London, to much laughter and mirth.

‘Happening place’ did the man call our poor and bleeding country that is reeling under the onslaught of murderous yahoos who do as they will, wherever they will?

Pakistan is a ‘happening place’ when a women’s bazaar in Peshawar is attacked and over 100 defenceless women and children are blown away to kingdom come? Or when Lahore’s Moon Market is wantonly attacked and over 60 innocents, again mainly women and children, die needlessly and cruelly? Or when an army mosque in the heart of Rawalpindi cantonment is assaulted by people who knew what they were doing, and who identified the children of senior army officers and then brutally killed them? Or and indeed, when a bus full of junior ISI functionaries, clerks and the like is blown up, again in Rawalpindi cantonment?

There is ‘never a dull day’ in Pakistan when according to the latest estimates of none other than the ISPR, 30,457 Pakistanis — 21,672 civilians and 8,785 military personnel — have been killed so far in the war against terror; when in 2009 alone over 10,000 people were killed; when in 2009 and the first two months of 2010, 78 officers and 2,273 soldiers of the Pakistan Army were killed and 6,512 injured, many of them horribly disfigured and maimed?

Never a dull day, what?

Ask the mothers and the fathers who have lost their sons and daughters; ask the sisters and brothers and the sons and daughters who have lost their loved ones to this mad orgy of killing by fiends in human shape. Fiends, let us quickly point out, who were suckled at the ample breast of the security establishment that the man himself headed for far too long. A period, let us also not forget, in which they were allowed to grow stronger and stronger still, due to his own disastrous policies of running with the hare and hunting with the hounds.

Should he not be deeply ashamed of himself for talking so lightly of the hellfire our poor country is passing through?

But wait. Gen Musharraf also said: “I love Pakistan and I would do anything for Pakistan. I took this oath at the Kakul Academy. For Pakistan one would be prepared to do anything.” Hang on a minute. He took an oath at the ‘Kakul Academy’ did he say?

What was the Kakul Academy to him, a man who violated one of the most basic precepts, an almost holy covenant, upon which every military academy is based: that of the honour system? When as a so-called gentleman cadet, he cheated in the nine-mile run and boasted about it in his nonsensical and ludicrous In the line of fire, even the title of which was plagiarised from one of Clint Eastwood’s films of the same name? (Stand up, Humayun Gauhar).

For the information of the ‘bloody civilians’ who might be reading this, a cadet would be relegated for taking a packet of cigarettes from the mess bar without signing for it.For cheating on the scale that Musharraf indulged in i.e. taking a shortcut in an endurance test, the punishment would be no less than being disgracefully drummed out of the academy after the badges of cadet rank (if any), shoulder flashes and cap badge, were cut off in front of the whole First Pakistan Battalion formed up on the parade ground.

So what ‘oath’, what ‘academy’ does he talk about? I should have thought that the ‘happening place where there is never a dull day’ would be Edgware Road, London and its shisha bars, where he lurks these days and not poor, bleeding Pakistan.

By the by, could he please explain even at this late date especially now that he is, as we say in the vernacular, ‘weighing his wings’ before jumping into Pakistani politics (!), why Adm Shahid Karimullah, the ambassador of Pakistan to Saudi Arabia at the time, was present, hands respectfully folded in his lap, as Bilal Musharraf and his boss, one Asad Jamal, chairman and CEO of ePlanet Ventures, Global Venture Capital, were meeting Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the federal government is going on making a laughing stock of itself by repeatedly first doing something stupid and then when the going gets tough, making shameless U-turns. And then doing nothing about the flunky/functionary who put it in difficulty in the first place.

Witness the judges’ appointment issue and the embarrassing loss of face the government had to suffer. I am told by people who should know that Babar Awan (yes, of the judges’ restoration fiasco fame) was principally to blame — surprise, surprise. Yet, the man continues as heretofore as law minister. Whilst one supports democratic rule by the elected representatives of the people one has to condemn such lackadaisical governance.

However, the politicians will be sorted out by the people at the next elections if they are perceived to be inept etc; what upsets me is that no one, not the government, not the opposition reacted when the army announced last week that the COAS needs no such approval to give extensions in service to generals.

What is the difference between giving extensions and promoting generals when an extension can put someone within reach of the next higher rank obviously at the cost of other officers waiting in line to be promoted?

If the army arrogates more and more powers to itself at GHQ outside the writ of the government, nothing is going to work. Doesn’t the opposition understand that whilst it may snigger at the present government’s discomfort when the army takes it head-on (such as the ill-considered public outburst of ‘fury’ by the generals at the Kerry-Lugar Bill, whilst themselves asking for American aid the very next week), it might be the next government of Pakistan. How will it rein in the (already) rampant army then?

As pleaded many times in this column, might one say to the political forces to come together on the main principles of governance, the first of which should be the elected government’s suzerainty over all the departments of the state?

 

[Icarus]

Sure you can tell what is what; you just need to read it. But for a dictator supporter, the constitution is nothing more than a piece of garbage so you would read it, it’s rather far fetched a thought.

No relevance to my stated point................

So the purpose was to make a profitable financial institution more profitable….at the cost of ???? employees. These banks are showing more profit not because they were privatized but because lots of the employee lost their jobs, benefits and pensions. So yes, the banks showed more profit at the cost of increased unemployment... Only a Dictator and his supporters would praise this kind of cruelty. And what you wrote about Socialism? Socialism = Communism ??? Have you ever read Quran and Hadith? You know what kind of system they talk about? Capitalism? Where rich become richer and poor become poorer ?? Now I know what kind of a person I am talking to…Better leave you and your wet dreams of Musharraf coming into power alone.

No employees were removed nor were any pensions wasted, only the board of executives was changed to include members from the new shareholders..............................I personally am more pro communist but wake up and smell the coffee, we live in a capitalist system, what me and you think, does not count for ****..........Thanks for the personal attack, now I know what kind of person i'm dealing with.........

Pure statistical juggling; a country where half of the economy is undocumented, where there is simply no record of financial transactions, you are talking about statistics. Even if it was twice as compared to what it was in 1999, what about the inflation? When I left Pakistan in 2001, the bread was Rs 2.00, in 2008, it was Rs 5-6. And not only bread, utilities, gasoline, just everything was twice to thrice as expensive as it was in 1999. So there go your statistics into the dustbin of hard facts on the ground.

Don't talk tough, prove it....................and the raise in prices was because of the increase in the per capita income, Economic policies of Musharraf Era have been lauded by IMF and World Bank, now if you are a financial expert who's expertise surpass IMF and World Bank then please enlighten me...............

Confirmed by whom? UN? Red Cross? Or by Musharraf regime, that itself was a party.

What ?????????????

Nobody is sidelining the Mohajir community; Mohajirs are literally hijacked by the terrorist organization called MQM. What MQM did on May 12 under the full auspicious of Musharraf regime is not the fault of the Mohajirs, neither no one is saying that, but of that particular terrorist organization. Don't try to confuse this issue, its simply that not all the Mojahirs are terrorist, but all the MQM terrorist are Mohajirs.

You know MQM was not the only party involved in the 12th May incident, PPP, ANP were also involved......... why are you people consistently targeting the Muhajir community, it is their right, they can vote for TTP if they want, we have no right to stop them.........
Have you seen what Mustafa Kamal has done for Karachi ? And he still lives in a house on rent...........................

 

[Icarus]

The ‘happening place’
By Kamran Shafi
Tuesday, 02 Mar, 2010

“PAKISTAN is the most happening place in the world where there is never a dull moment.” So pronounced the Commando to a “packed audience” at Chatham House in London, to much laughter and mirth.

‘Happening place’ did the man call our poor and bleeding country that is reeling under the onslaught of murderous yahoos who do as they will, wherever they will?

Pakistan is a ‘happening place’ when a women’s bazaar in Peshawar is attacked and over 100 defenceless women and children are blown away to kingdom come? Or when Lahore’s Moon Market is wantonly attacked and over 60 innocents, again mainly women and children, die needlessly and cruelly? Or when an army mosque in the heart of Rawalpindi cantonment is assaulted by people who knew what they were doing, and who identified the children of senior army officers and then brutally killed them? Or and indeed, when a bus full of junior ISI functionaries, clerks and the like is blown up, again in Rawalpindi cantonment?

There is ‘never a dull day’ in Pakistan when according to the latest estimates of none other than the ISPR, 30,457 Pakistanis — 21,672 civilians and 8,785 military personnel — have been killed so far in the war against terror; when in 2009 alone over 10,000 people were killed; when in 2009 and the first two months of 2010, 78 officers and 2,273 soldiers of the Pakistan Army were killed and 6,512 injured, many of them horribly disfigured and maimed?

Never a dull day, what?

Ask the mothers and the fathers who have lost their sons and daughters; ask the sisters and brothers and the sons and daughters who have lost their loved ones to this mad orgy of killing by fiends in human shape. Fiends, let us quickly point out, who were suckled at the ample breast of the security establishment that the man himself headed for far too long. A period, let us also not forget, in which they were allowed to grow stronger and stronger still, due to his own disastrous policies of running with the hare and hunting with the hounds.

Should he not be deeply ashamed of himself for talking so lightly of the hellfire our poor country is passing through?

But wait. Gen Musharraf also said: “I love Pakistan and I would do anything for Pakistan. I took this oath at the Kakul Academy. For Pakistan one would be prepared to do anything.” Hang on a minute. He took an oath at the ‘Kakul Academy’ did he say?

What was the Kakul Academy to him, a man who violated one of the most basic precepts, an almost holy covenant, upon which every military academy is based: that of the honour system? When as a so-called gentleman cadet, he cheated in the nine-mile run and boasted about it in his nonsensical and ludicrous In the line of fire, even the title of which was plagiarised from one of Clint Eastwood’s films of the same name? (Stand up, Humayun Gauhar).

For the information of the ‘bloody civilians’ who might be reading this, a cadet would be relegated for taking a packet of cigarettes from the mess bar without signing for it.For cheating on the scale that Musharraf indulged in i.e. taking a shortcut in an endurance test, the punishment would be no less than being disgracefully drummed out of the academy after the badges of cadet rank (if any), shoulder flashes and cap badge, were cut off in front of the whole First Pakistan Battalion formed up on the parade ground.

So what ‘oath’, what ‘academy’ does he talk about? I should have thought that the ‘happening place where there is never a dull day’ would be Edgware Road, London and its shisha bars, where he lurks these days and not poor, bleeding Pakistan.

By the by, could he please explain even at this late date especially now that he is, as we say in the vernacular, ‘weighing his wings’ before jumping into Pakistani politics (!), why Adm Shahid Karimullah, the ambassador of Pakistan to Saudi Arabia at the time, was present, hands respectfully folded in his lap, as Bilal Musharraf and his boss, one Asad Jamal, chairman and CEO of ePlanet Ventures, Global Venture Capital, were meeting Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the federal government is going on making a laughing stock of itself by repeatedly first doing something stupid and then when the going gets tough, making shameless U-turns. And then doing nothing about the flunky/functionary who put it in difficulty in the first place.

Witness the judges’ appointment issue and the embarrassing loss of face the government had to suffer. I am told by people who should know that Babar Awan (yes, of the judges’ restoration fiasco fame) was principally to blame — surprise, surprise. Yet, the man continues as heretofore as law minister. Whilst one supports democratic rule by the elected representatives of the people one has to condemn such lackadaisical governance.

However, the politicians will be sorted out by the people at the next elections if they are perceived to be inept etc; what upsets me is that no one, not the government, not the opposition reacted when the army announced last week that the COAS needs no such approval to give extensions in service to generals.

What is the difference between giving extensions and promoting generals when an extension can put someone within reach of the next higher rank obviously at the cost of other officers waiting in line to be promoted?

If the army arrogates more and more powers to itself at GHQ outside the writ of the government, nothing is going to work. Doesn’t the opposition understand that whilst it may snigger at the present government’s discomfort when the army takes it head-on (such as the ill-considered public outburst of ‘fury’ by the generals at the Kerry-Lugar Bill, whilst themselves asking for American aid the very next week), it might be the next government of Pakistan. How will it rein in the (already) rampant army then?

As pleaded many times in this column, might one say to the political forces to come together on the main principles of governance, the first of which should be the elected government’s suzerainty over all the departments of the state?

Thats so pointless....................If the guy is trying to show Pakistan to the world like a normal country, why do we have to go and prove......No, we are not normal, we have lot's of problems................What good can come of that ?

 

[SSGPA1]

The ‘happening place’
By Kamran Shafi
Tuesday, 02 Mar, 2010

“PAKISTAN is the most happening place in the world where there is never a dull moment.” So pronounced the Commando to a “packed audience” at Chatham House in London, to much laughter and mirth.

...

As pleaded many times in this column, might one say to the political forces to come together on the main principles of governance, the first of which should be the elected government’s suzerainty over all the departments of the state?

Mr. Shafi constantly writes against Pakistan Army, GoP and the ISI and his bias is so obvious that it is not worth reading now. If the same had been said by Nawaz Sharif then Mr. Shafi might have been wiriting in favor of those comments.

 

[sparklingway]

Mr. Shafi constantly writes against Pakistan Army, GoP and the ISI and his bias is so obvious that it is not worth reading now. If the same had been said by Nawaz Sharif then Mr. Shafi might have been wiriting in favor of those comments.

Without discussing the merits of the article, you have come to personal bias and allegations. Commando surely loves the "happening place"

 

[SSGPA1]

Pervez Musharraf
President of Pakistan, 2001–2008
Speaker Event: March 14th, 2010 – 6:00 PM
The Westin, Bellevue

600 Bellevue Way NE,
Bellevue, WA 98004


FRIENDS OF PAKISTAN FIRST, Washington State, USA

 

[SSGPA1]

A friend of mine sent me this link:

Musharraf Ki Yaad AAyi Us Kay Janay Kay Baad

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

^^^^ All true

 

[BATMAN]

Without discussing the merits of the article, you have come to personal bias and allegations. Commando surely loves the "happening place"

Commando has delivered to the nation and the difference is there for every one to see... blame game cannot hide the good performance of Musharraf.

 

[SSGPA1]

WEST PALM BEACH — Former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf applauded President Obama's decision to send 30,000 more troops to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but said today that setting a timeline for their withdrawal is an "indication of weakness."

Musharraf, in the midst of a U.S. lecture tour, spoke today for about an hour to a crowd of more than 300 at a Kravis Center luncheon to raise money for the Boys and Girls Clubs of Palm Beach County.

Musharraf was a general who seized power in a bloodless 1999 coup. As a Muslim critic of Islamist extremism whose country borders Afghanistan, he became a key U.S. ally after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. He resigned in 2008 under threat of impeachment and has since been living in London.

"We have to win" in Afghanistan, Musharraf said. "We have to defeat this. Losing and quitting is not an option. When we talk of quitting, we cannot make it time-related. It has to be effect-related...We ought to be there until we win."

Musharraf said the U.S. is distrusted in the Muslim world because it is seen as "totally pro-Israel." But he said Obama "has started on a very positive note in the Muslim world...I wish him well."

Musharraf called the U.S. troop surge in Afghanistan "a very correct action," but criticized Obama's stated intention to begin withdrawing troops in mid-2011.

"We have to show a resolve, ladies and gentlemen, a resolve to fight and win," Musharraf said. "That is what will scare them. Otherwise, they will be encouraged....Please don't give an indication of weakness."

Musharraf said the U.S. has failed to reach out to Pashtuns, who are Afghanistan's largest ethnic group, and because of this "they have been actually pushed toward the Taliban."

He said a U.S. timetable for withdrawal makes the Pashtuns less likely to take sides against the Taliban.

Pakistan's ex-president: Afghanistan surge 'correct,' withdrawal plan is not

 

[SSGPA1]

Nawaz Sharif threat to Pakistan stability: Musharraf

SEATLLE: Former president Pervaiz Musharraf slammed PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif on Monday and labeled him as a closeted Taliban.

Talking to media at a dinner reception in Seattle, Musharraf said that Sharif is a great threat to the stability of Pakistan.

Talking on the issue of NRO, Musharraf accused politicians of being hypocrites. According to him, these were the same politicians who were in favour of the controversial ordinance when it was issued.

He also defended his tenure as a corruption free period and added that no cabinet member in his government was involved in any malpractice. - DawnNews

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Nawaz Sharif threat to Pakistan stability: Musharraf

 

[sparklingway]

Nawaz is a closeted Taliban, that I certainly agree on.

Talking on the issue of NRO, Musharraf accused politicians of being hypocrites. According to him, these were the same politicians who were in favour of the controversial ordinance when it was issued.

But as for this, again shamelessly defending the blackest piece of legislation ever promulgated, and this time trying to lay the onus on corrupt politicians. Accepting his mistake and admitting that it was only supposed to save his own skin and his throne would only increase his stature.

He also defended his tenure as a corruption free period and added that no cabinet member in his government was involved in any malpractice.

And that is wrong as well. Should I start on listing the corruption cases of his cabinet ministers. He should defend himself and not his cabinet anymore.

Enjoy Seattle and every other place, just don't come back. I don't want to see him being disgraced by the politicians and the people.

 

[BATMAN]

Politicians of democratic Pakistan: