QUOTE=sparklingway;654966]First of all, sorry for a typo; I meant most of the Pakistanis were caught in Afghanistan in places like Herat and Mezar e Sharif. I did not mean Pakistan. It was a typo and must have changed the meaning totally.
I have edited my post accordingly.
Asadullah Jan: I told you to check McClatchy as well.
Here it is on him (Ramazan was in November, 2001 for your info)
Ammar al Baluchi : was brought up in Yemen and Kuwait like KSM but he is always listed as a Pakistani citizen.
check
here
found another one:-
Majid Khan : He is Permanent US Resident. Wiki has huge article on him. Captured in Karachi - March 5, 2003
check
here - read page 6. He is a US Legal Permanent Resident,
As for your concerns about International Law, we do not have an extradition treaty with the USA, and hence cases are handled case wise.
As for the policy regarding those who commit crimes on foreign soil, do you think we should hand them over? We should prosecute them ourselves. Did we hand over the Afghanis to Afghanistan, Yemenis, Saudis to their countries or the US? Obviously, our "omnipotent" intelligence agencies were generating bounty money for themselves and they have no regard for rules, regulations, ethics or established norms.
Also, I'm unclear about Aafia Siddiqua's citizenship. She studied and remained in the US for quite a long time, but did she obtain citizenship there? Her children were born in the US, and they had Us citiznehsip (
we handed over her son to the US)
It’s ok about your typo. I highlighted only those whose examples you gave earlier.
Like I said, most of those that were handed over were non-Pakistani. From the 672 captured only 369 were handed over. Therefore, there seems no policy to hand over Pakistanis.
Now the NATO or US forces had around a total of 71 Pakistani in Gitmo etc. Automatically means the 369 that were handed over were non-Pakistani.
Most of those that were detained – the so-called 71 Pakistani – mostly were caught in Afghanistan. Around 65 have been transferred back. Only 6-7 have remained, and those too the most dangerous.
Which nationality they originally belong to, other than having a forged Pakistani or Afghan passports can only be determined by the ISI. How many of those were recently converted as Pakistani or converted after 1980s definitely would have been confirmed by the Pakistani intelligence agencies.
The few that you highlighted - mostly have their original links and roots in Afghanistan. May even be originally Tajiks, Uzbeks, Chechans, Arab etc. Most of them converted their nationality only recently, or after the 1980s war, to save them from being handed over to NATO or Afghan security forces or repatriate back to their ancestral homes.
One more example that you have given - that of Asadullah Jan – See here what it says
according to your link.
1- He’s originally an Afghan. This is what he himself admitted “
he was born to a family of Afghan refugees in Pakistan who originally were from Zormat and that he made regular trips back to his ancestral home.”
2- However, this is what his dad accepted “
Jan’s father refused to talk about why his son had gone to Afghanistan after the United States invaded the country. He said only that Jan had been convinced to go by some friends and that, "I don't want any more trouble”.
3- Jan tried to convince them (the interrogation team) otherwise, saying he was born to a family of Afghan refugees in Pakistan, who originally were from Zormat, and that he made regular trips back to his ancestral home.
4- Its evident he’s not innocent and was involved in cross border terrorism. Either you are a Pakistani or an Afghan – you cannot cross over as per your liberty and cause havoc in country of your choice. His story cannot be taken seriously, as to where he was arrested. It’s pretty obvious he will distort to display himself innocent.
Again,
Ammar Al Baluchi – what nationality is this? “Baluchi born and raised in Kuwait”?
He has lived in Iran, Dubai and Yemen. It’s not even clear he’s a Pakistani or not? Or a Yemeni, Emirati or has a forged Pakistani passport to top it all? This is exactly what I’m trying to point out to you – our intelligence agencies know better who actually is a Pakistani and not what the media reports or what the criminals/cross border terrorist claim themselves.
Also,
Afia’s son was handed over to his aunt, wherever she resides. Two weeks ago, she appeared on Dr. Shaista Wahidi’s program on ARY and accepted the kids were with her.
Similarly, Majid Khan – he’s a permanent US resident, naturally a US citizen.
This is what Musharraf led government’s policy was – for both USA and India.
Former president Gen Pervez Musharraf had also turned down a US request for extradition of Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who was wanted in the murder of journalist Daniel Pearl.
Pakistan has extradition treaty with US, says FO | PKMirror
In his address, Musharraf refused to hand over Pakistanis wanted by the Indian side.
"We have been sent a list of 20 people wanted by India. If we are given evidence against those people, we will take action against them in Pakistan under our own laws," he said, adding "there is no question of handing over any Pakistani."
Musharraf Addresses the Nation
Lastly, about the US extradition treaty - here is what the Foreign Office accepts, even though the US embassy spokesman says no specific treaty with independent Pakistan.
Pakistan has extradition treaty with US, says FO
Pakistan has extradition treaty with US, says FO | PKMirror
In 2002,
Pakistan and Afghanistan, agree to sign extradition treaty.
Pak, Afghanistan Agree to Sign Extradition Treaty
Over 11 thousand foreigners arrested during last five years – Rehman Malik
Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Over 11 thousand foreigners arrested during last five years
What are these foreigners doing in Pakistan? They avail PAkistani documents through bribery, fight for their original homeland and call themselves Pakistani.
Did we raise any voice for the Pakistanis who were captured on foreign soil? Did we ask for their release and prosecution in Pakistani courts?
65 out of 71 were transferred back. Isn't this a success? Though their original nationality is a BIG 'IF'.
