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Musharraf Case.

I agree with you ... But we have no choice to get rid of this corrupt judiciary ..............

We do have a choice... Vote in an honest law maker... (And we can only do so if we investigate honest candidates without our biases of ethnicity, language, provinceilizm, religion, sect, color, class and creed) candidates who are honest and love Pakistan. It is the parliament that makes the laws. They can curtail the powers or make laws that the judges have to operate under. Take the power away from judges to take sumo-moto. But then be honest themselves and make sure that the security agencies (Police, Rangers, CID, FIB and so on) are honest and answerable too. I can site many example where we see this bunch of judges who are totally dishonest in their decisions.
 
What statements are these? You make it sound as if the PA's reputation depends on one man's presence in Pakistan. :lol:

What Musharraf is facing is an unfair trail, no doubt. But pulling the Army unnecessarily into these matters will not solve anything.



He's not being targetted for being a military man, but for the gross misuse of that power to overthrow the government and now the laywers have found the perfect excuse to take their personal revenge.

This is how General Yahya Khan was treated by Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in 1971. He was blamed for the war, stripped of his military medals and put under house arrest for nearly 6 years until General Zia-ul-Haq freed him in 1977.

Why did Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto blame General Yahya Khan for everything when he was the one who said "idhar hum, udhar tum"?

I don't think I need to point out what happened to that super popular Democratically Elected Prime Minister once he was on the receiving end.



You talk about the law as if those in charge of it know what they are doing. They change the law every 2 seconds to suite their own interests.

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Also, do you know what happened to those judges who voted against Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's death sentence? Ask you dad or grandad if you don't know.
 
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What statements are these? You make it sound as if the PA's reputation depends on one man's presence in Pakistan. :lol:

What Musharraf is facing is an unfair trail, no doubt. But pulling the Army unnecessarily into these matters will not solve anything.



He's not being targetted for being a military man, but for the gross misuse of that power to overthrow the government and now the laywers have found the perfect excuse to take their personal revenge.

& How He Got Power Thn? Because Of lawyers Or The Dam Judiciary, Which Had Given Him all The Keys At That Time?
He Got Power Because He Was The Militry chief, shouldnt Had Contradicted That Fact?
& What Misuse He Had Done? By Rightly Taking Out the Most Croupt Judge Of All Times? Which Is Proved Now? As 62, 63 Not Implemented?
Prominent Lawyers Movment Leaders Like, Ali kurd & Others Parted Thier Ways Why?

We do have a choice... Vote in an honest law maker... (And we can only do so if we investigate honest candidates without our biases of ethnicity, language, provinceilizm, religion, sect, color, class and creed) candidates who are honest and love Pakistan. It is the parliament that makes the laws. They can curtail the powers or make laws that the judges have to operate under. Take the power away from judges to take sumo-moto. But then be honest themselves and make sure that the security agencies (Police, Rangers, CID, FIB and so on) are honest and answerable too. I can site many example where we see this bunch of judges who are totally dishonest in their decisions.
Which Honnest Person To Vote For? Same Ones Who Couldnt Find A Single Word Against Talibans?
 
Top dog to underdog
Irfan Husain Dawn 27 4 2013

I NEVER thought the day would come when I would actually feel sorry for Musharraf. But I just can’t bring myself to side with the violent, thuggish lawyers baying for his blood.

From top dog to underdog is a long fall, but Musharraf accomplished it with a short flight from Dubai to Karachi. The moment he landed, reality (as opposed to the virtual reality of Facebook and Twitter) asserted itself in the shape of a miserably small group of supporters. Some returning hajis have bigger reception parties.

It’s been downhill ever since for the ex-dictator. From stinging editorials to nasty comments on TV chat shows, he has faced a barrage of criticism. But it has been in the courts where he has met his Waterloo. As expected, the judiciary is having a field day putting their nemesis through the wringer.

Far from addressing adoring crowds, Musharraf is reduced to confessions to CNN that have done little to add to his much-reduced image. The admission that he did indeed authorise the Americans to launch drone attacks has not gone down well, especially on the eve of elections in which he hoped to rise from the ashes.

But why did he expect a different welcome? When he boasts that he has more ‘likes’ on Facebook than Imran Khan, he forgets that much of his support comes from Pakistani expatriates. This community of fans saw him through rose-tinted glasses, and basked in the reflected glory of a leader in the Ayub mould who was respected abroad.

But to be fair to the man, there were few alternatives to his pro-US shift in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. In the early days of the American invasion of Afghanistan, his policy seemed to pay dividends in the shape of massive loans written off and increased aid flows. For a country hit with a range of sanctions following our nuclear tests and Musharraf’s coup, this renewed Western engagement was a lifeline for a pariah state.

For several years, the economy did very well, and the middle class expanded at an impressive rate. And to Musharraf’s credit, he did increase the number of reserved seats for women in our assemblies, apart from ending the discriminatory system of separate electorates for minorities introduced by Zia.

As the judiciary and a section of the media indulge in a paroxysm of Musharraf-bashing, it’s easy to forget his achievements. But the fact is, whether we like it or not, he was president of Pakistan and deserves a modicum of respect. And while he’s certainly not above the law, he should not be subjected to the kind of uncivilised behaviour our lawyers have displayed.

Although I have little time for the dark, muttered warnings from retired generals, I am all for a degree of decorum even though this does not seem to be a priority for either our judges, or our lawyers. Musharraf’s monumental misjudgement in his handling of the judiciary ended his rule. By all means, try him for this and any other crimes he is accused of, but let’s not make a circus of the process.

Above all, the charges he faces ought not to have derailed his electoral bid. Disqualifying him means depriving the electorate of the opportunity of disabusing him of the notion that he is a hugely popular leader. If he had won from any of the seats he wanted to contest, he would have faced the daily indignity of rubbing shoulders with other parliamentarians, many of whom have good reason to dislike him. Letting him run would have strengthened democratic traditions.

Even if his Chak Shahzad fortress had not been declared a sub-jail, where would Musharraf go? With his life under constant threat, he would have discovered that even close friends would have been reluctant to tempt fate and the Taliban by inviting him over.

The recent discovery of an explosives-laden car outside his house underscores the magnitude of the risk to his life. I wonder how the car made it past the checkpost on the only approach to Chak Shahzad? Was it by any chance subjected to scrutiny by the hand-held explosive-detection devices we see while entering the premises of airports and other high-security areas?

If so, it’s easy to see why the car was probably waved through: these devices simply do not work, and their seller, Jim McCormick, has just been arrested in the UK for the scam that made him a cool £50 million. These phoney detectors were sold for as much as £10,000 each, and only cost £15 to put together.

But I digress. The truth is that Musharraf, a soldier who has often boasted of his grasp of strategy, has put himself in an untenable position. Among the first things they teach you at command school is to never join battle without a clear escape route. Musharraf has none.

The only way he can extricate himself is through international intervention. While the army might like to help, it now lacks the political clout to pull their ex-chief’s chestnuts out of this particular fire. The Americans, too, would not like to put their hands into this hornet’s nest. Only the Saudis have the muscle with the Pakistani establishment to allow Musharraf back into the exile he never should have left.

No matter how this saga ends, Musharraf’s return was a huge blunder. But being the kind of person he is, I doubt he’ll learn from it. Soon after the 1999 coup, a Time magazine reporter interviewed his mother for a cover story on the latest Pakistani general to seize power. In the report, the delightfully blunt lady was quoted as saying: “I have three sons; one joined the civil service, and the next one became a doctor. Musharraf was not as bright as his brothers, so we sent him into the army.”
 
the fact that they aren't touching rental raja speaks volumes about their bias and their agenda

i'm disgusted with this pre-election period and the disgusting politics in Pakistan

either way - my vote goes to PTI
Its just the interest's game now they r opening the cases against PPP but r giving stay orders on Nawaz Shareef Cases of same kind!!!!!!!
 
& How He Got Power Thn? Because Of lawyers Or The Dam Judiciary, Which Had Given Him all The Keys At That Time?
He Got Power Because He Was The Militry chief, shouldnt Had Contradicted That Fact?
& What Misuse He Had Done? By Rightly Taking Out the Most Croupt Judge Of All Times? Which Is Proved Now? As 62, 63 Not Implemented?
Prominent Lawyers Movment Leaders Like, Ali kurd & Others Parted Thier Ways Why?
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That's what I said earlier:

the judges at that time fully aided his entrance into politics and legalized his overthrow of N.Sharif. There has been no contention in that. IMO, both Musharraf and the judges are responsible for the overthrow of the government. But CJ jas only chosen to pursue the issue of sacking the judges because of personal agenda. If CJ Chowdhry really goes into the overthrowing and LFO case, he himself would also be held responsible for it.

The misuse I was referring to was P.Musharraf's use of his position as Chief to get rid of an elected government.



Well done :tup:
 
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Nobody must call it Pakistan's judiciary its real name is Iftikhar Chaudhary and Aitezaz Ahsan's Judiciary.
 
That's what I said earlier:

the judges at that time fully aided his entrance into politics and legalized his overthrow of N.Sharif. There has been no contention in that. IMO, both Musharraf and the judges are responsible for the overthrow of the government. But CJ jas only chosen to pursue the issue of sacking the judges because of personal agenda. If CJ Chowdhry really goes into the overthrowing and LFO case, he himself would also be held responsible for it.

The misuse I was referring to was P.Musharraf's use of his position as Chief to get rid of an elected government.




Well done :tup:

Which Elected Govt? The One Which Attacked SC In 99, & Made Mr, Genrl Jhangir Karamat Resign Forcibly? That Govt ? Without Any Morality?
Does Any Elected Govt In The World Can Attack Its Own SC?
BTw Are We Talking about Same Nawaz sharif Who, Used To Call Himself son Of Genrl Zia?

Nobody must call it Pakistan's judiciary its real name is Iftikhar Chaudhary and Aitezaz Ahsan's Judiciary.

It Was Like This Indeed, Bt Later Other Senior Judges Has Joinned The Mafia Allready? It Was Proven When TuQ Went To Them?
 
3 pages and no proof provided! yaar bhai chor dou iskaa peecha bicharaay kaa! pakro unko jin kaay paisaay SWISS account mein hain ya raja rental ko yaa EPHIDERENE case ko! ya usko jisnaay 62 billion ruppess ki corruption ki hai
 
3 pages and no proof provided! yaar bhai chor dou iskaa peecha bicharaay kaa! pakro unko jin kaay paisaay SWISS account mein hain ya raja rental ko yaa EPHIDERENE case ko! ya usko jisnaay 62 billion ruppess ki corruption ki hai

Usskoo Bhi Joo Genrl zia Key Zamaney Mein Kuch Nahi Thaa, Ganjaa Thaa Bss, Or Uskey Ganjaa Pan pey Zia Uncle Koo Pyar Aa gaayaa Thaa, Uss Ganjaa Ney Bhi Tu Braa Khancha Kiya Hai?
 
Which Elected Govt? The One Which Attacked SC In 99, & Made Mr, Genrl Jhangir Karamat Resign Forcibly? That Govt ? Without Any Morality?
Does Any Elected Govt In The World Can Attack Its Own SC?
BTw Are We Talking about Same Nawaz sharif Who, Used To Call Himself son Of Genrl Zia?
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Regardless of morality or not, it was still an elected government that was interrupted by P.Musharraf sahib. This is something that should not have been done. Only the civilian population should have the authority to decide who forms the government and who doesn't.

The basic principle in preventing misusing power is the division and delegation of tasks. But P.Musharraf overstepped that line and crossed over to take control of civilian functions.

Brother, I am afraid that's the only language people understand sometimes.

I hope you realize you just highlighted Zia's mistakes with that video.
 
Regardless of morality or not, it was still an elected government that was interrupted by P.Musharraf sahib. This is something that should not have been done. Only the civilian population should have the authority to decide who forms the government and who doesn't.

The basic principle in preventing misusing power is the division and delegation of tasks. But P.Musharraf overstepped that line and crossed over to take control of civilian functions.



I hope you realize you just highlighted Zia's mistakes with that video.
Sorry Bt Thats The Whole Damocrazy Crap, Peoples Should Be Authority?
In Pakistan,s Case It Never happened?
& In Case Of Selected Govt Of Nawaz Sharif, Who,s Political Birth Is Due To Another Dictators Term, He Shouldnt Be Able To Hve A Political Carreer By Thn? No Musharaf Or Pakarmy Wasnt Were To Be Blammed For That, Its The Political Leadership Of The time Itself? With Its Self Intersts Plus Its Crouption?
Let Me ask You, Is Damocrazy The Only Perfect Governing System In The World?
Chinese System Is The Best System for The Progress Of Its Peoples, Damocrazy Failled 9 Times In A Row & Will Bound To Be Failled This Time Too? Just Because Our Politicians Are The Real Part Ofnthe Problem! Its Not Pakarmy?
 
Regardless of morality or not, it was still an elected government that was interrupted by P.Musharraf sahib. This is something that should not have been done. Only the civilian population should have the authority to decide who forms the government and who doesn't.

The basic principle in preventing misusing power is the division and delegation of tasks. But P.Musharraf overstepped that line and crossed over to take control of civilian functions.



I hope you realize you just highlighted Zia's mistakes with that video.

I've seen General Zia-ul-Haq's interview a few times where he promises the return of civilian rule in a very short period. But, he had to do what was needed to be done at that time.
 
Usskoo Bhi Joo Genrl zia Key Zamaney Mein Kuch Nahi Thaa, Ganjaa Thaa Bss, Or Uskey Ganjaa Pan pey Zia Uncle Koo Pyar Aa gaayaa Thaa, Uss Ganjaa Ney Bhi Tu Braa Khancha Kiya Hai?

bohaat kiya aur woh expose hogaya ASGHAR KHAN CASE! so clearly CJ is not friends with PML N.
 
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