Musharraf blames captured troops - 3 Excecuted, 30 released

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Fatman and Mastan,

You have valid points.

The indoctrination and training of our security forces needs to accommodate this new reality - that as much as we would wish it wasn't the case, some of our enemies, and indeed our biggest existentialist threat currently, are our own "Muslim brothers".

This rot starts in our school systems though, and I hop that the new curriculum being proposed reflects the realities of a diverse world, with strong emphasis on inclusiveness and respect for all, rather than the chest thumping, eulogies to "Muslim Warrior Kings".

Not only is the above sowing seeds of intolerance, but places too much emphasis on an achievement of goals through "war and violence", and perpetuates the trait of machismo that permeates our society.

 

[Spring Onion]

Did Biased news agency BBC forget to report that Most of those captured paramilitary personals are also from Mehsud Tribe.

That is main point of their capture dear.

No one had ever taken this into consideration. All of us while sitting at home and our rivals who evern dont know about our areas and terrian accused the soldiers mostly FC men of surrendering without putting a fight.
We all ignored this aspect that most of them were from Mehsud Tribe and any direct action for their release would have resulted in harm to entire tribe at the hand of militants of Abdullah Mehsud.
The FC Men acted in sensble way if otherwise hunderds would have been killed in fight between tribals and Abdullah Mehsud millitants till the time millitary action was taken.

 

[Spring Onion]

Militants release 30 more hostages in South Waziristan

PESHAWAR Oct 13 (APP): The militants Saturday released thirty
more security personnel after 44 days captivity as they were made hostage when a convoy of the security forces was captured on August 30 last in South Waziristan Agency.
The militants who are mostly 'local Taliban' have already set
free 26 security personnel after successful talks with the Amn Committee and grand peace jirga some two weeks back. The captors have also killed three of the hostages few days back and threw their bodies on main Wana-Jandola road.
The convoy comprising 245 security personnel and sixteen vehicles
was captured between Wana and Ladha tehsil. The captors also released four vehicles of the total sixteen on Saturday.
The elders of Mehsud tribes are making hectic attempts to get these
security officials released at the earliest. The political administration is also putting pressure on the respective tribes for the release of other security men as well.

APP

 

[Awesome]

Actually he did.

He blamed the media for reports on Pakistan not doing enough.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-elections-2008/7765-musharrafs-interview-bbc.html

 

[Spring Onion]

Actually he did.

He blamed the media for reports on Pakistan not doing enough.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-elections-2008/7765-musharrafs-interview-bbc.html

Asim did he blamed Soldiers ???
Or Media for wrong reporting ?

 

[Awesome]

Fatman and Mastan,

You have valid points.

The indoctrination and training of our security forces needs to accommodate this new reality - that as much as we would wish it wasn't the case, some of our enemies, and indeed our biggest existentialist threat currently, are our own "Muslim brothers".

This rot starts in our school systems though, and I hop that the new curriculum being proposed reflects the realities of a diverse world, with strong emphasis on inclusiveness and respect for all, rather than the chest thumping, eulogies to "Muslim Warrior Kings".

Not only is the above sowing seeds of intolerance, but places too much emphasis on an achievement of goals through "war and violence", and perpetuates the trait of machismo that permeates our society.

Actually if you watch the interview he explains that there was a general cease fire so the soldiers were quite relaxed.

The militants did not violate the cease-fire either(not right then), since this was a large convoy it was interpreted as the PA violating the ceasefire and it seamed like they were coming to launch an attack.

However PA was just carrying rations. There was a long standoff they talked with each other in the presence of onlookers and civilians but the talks failed or the militants then saw an opportunity and they broke the cease-fire.

It was unprofessional nonetheless, but given the ceasefire you can understand how one thing led to the other.

 

[Awesome]

Asim did he blamed Soldiers ???
Or Media for wrong reporting ?

Both. He didn't blame, he just said they acted unprofessionally for not securing high ground and blamed the western media on a different topic, about PA not doing enough to attack Al Qaeda in Waziristan.

 

[Spring Onion]

Actually if you watch the interview he explains that there was a general cease fire so the soldiers acted quite relaxed.

The militants did not violate the cease-fire either(not right then), since this was a large convoy it was interpreted as the PA violating the ceasefire and it seamed like they were coming to launch an attack.

However PA was just carrying rations. There was a long standoff they talked with each other in the presence of onlookers and civilians but the talks failed or the militants then saw an opportunity and they broke the cease-fire.

It was unprofessional nonetheless, but given the ceasefire you can understand how one thing led to the other.

OK Got it Asim


Your point about cashing opportunity by Militants is right as if you remember the convoy was as said by the tribal elders MNA Saleh Shah that they are all safe and were gaurded by the tribals but its also a fact that at that point after Abdullah Mehsud failed to persu Tribals to exchange these soldiers for his intrests, he (Abdullah Mehsud ) truned to violent tactics.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Actually if you watch the interview he explains that there was a general cease fire so the soldiers were quite relaxed.

The militants did not violate the cease-fire either(not right then), since this was a large convoy it was interpreted as the PA violating the ceasefire and it seamed like they were coming to launch an attack.

However PA was just carrying rations. There was a long standoff they talked with each other in the presence of onlookers and civilians but the talks failed or the militants then saw an opportunity and they broke the cease-fire.

It was unprofessional nonetheless, but given the ceasefire you can understand how one thing led to the other.

I understand your point Asim, and I too consider that the ceasefire was broken only when the "stoppage" led to a hostage situation, but the point is that when you look at this event, among the others that have been narrated, ceasefire or not, the military is operating in a hostile area. The whole idea of a ceasefire is a "temporary cessation of hostilities" - it doesn't mean that the people you were fighting suddenly become your friends, the danger is still there, and the war is still there. Until there is a comprehensive peace agreement, there should never be compromises on security like this.

Mushy criticized a similar lapse in his book as well.

How many times do the same types of events have to happen before we realize that the "enemy" follows no rules?

 

[Awesome]

The Hindu News Update Service

Islamabad (PTI): Pro-Taliban militants on Saturday released 30 of the over 200 security personnel they had kidnapped over a month ago in Pakistan's restive tribal region bordering Afghanistan.

The militants released the 30 security personnel in South Waziristan, days after a series of violent clashes in neighbouring North Waziristan left 200 rebels and nearly 50 government troops dead, Geo TV channel reported.

The channel quoted sources as saying that the militants had captured over 200 security personnel some 40 days ago while they were on their way from Wana to Laddah in South Waziristan.

The sources said tribal elders had been making attempts to get the abducted troops released.

President Prevez Musharraf, who is also the army chief, has said the unprofessional conduct of the troops had resulted in their capture by the militants. "I think they acted unprofessionally in that they were trying to clear a roadblock without taking any precautionary measures," he said in an interview with BBC.

The beleaguered military ruler has said that one of the foremost challenges facing Pakistan is the restoration of peace in the tribal regions bordering Afghanistan, described by a new White House policy document as a "safe haven" for the Al Qaida.

There has been a spurt in militant activities in parts of Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Area (FATA), an area strategically located along the border with Afghanistan border that has had a unique administrative and political status from the British times.

Interesting number. They have been demanding the release of 30 of their colleagues as well. Of course now they have killed three of the soldiers so there's no more peace, it has gone beyond hostage taking. I suggest we release their 30, secure our boys and then just collectively bomb them out of existence.

 

[Spring Onion]

Asim i had posted this news in another tthread so sum it up there as we are already discussing this so why to spoil more bandwidth by posting it again separatly pluse, the PTI had added Musarraf's "Comments" rather the same BS from BBC

So kindly sum iy up with that BBC thread with headline "Musharraf blamed soldiers"

 

[QADRI]

haaaaa this shows that our army is losing the quality....

 

[Awesome]

haaaaa this shows that our army is losing the quality....

And your credentials to make that assumption are?

 

[dabong1]

haaaaa this shows that our army is losing the quality....

I would say the army is losing morale.

 

[Awesome]

"Losing morale" theory is only perpetrated by people hoping to see Musharraf deposed by the Army itself.

He has only become stronger in the Army and the next guy seems to agree with Musharraf's policies.